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A26164
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Additions answering the omissions of our reverend author
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Atwood, William, d. 1705?
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Wing A4166; ESTC R9859
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member_n in_o their_o own_o person_n 4._o and_o when_o they_o agree_v to_o it_o which_o be_v no_o abridgement_n of_o their_o personal_a right_n they_o come_v by_o representation_n and_o election_n and_o every_o one_o be_v there_o himself_o virtual_o by_o his_o deputy_n but_o they_o often_o meet_v in_o vast_a body_n and_o in_o capacious_a place_n both_o in_o the_o saxon_a time_n and_o after_o william_n the_o first_o obtain_v the_o imperial_a crown_n 1._o if_o you_o will_v believe_v the_o chair_n all_o this_o be_v precarious_o say_v 89._o without_o foundation_n or_o authority_n however_o it_o be_v grant_v that_o i_o seem_v to_o back_o it_o with_o a_o instance_n where_o i_o say_v the_o whole_a body_n of_o proprietor_n be_v assemble_v at_o runemede_o between_o stanes_n and_o windsor_n at_o the_o pass_n of_o king_n john_n charter_n the_o doctor_n refer_v we_o to_o p._n 106._o and_o 107._o of_o his_o pretend_a answer_n to_o mr._n petyt_n to_o see_v what_o this_o assembly_n be_v and_o of_o who_o it_o consist_v where_o he_o prove_v my_o assertion_n be_v all_o that_o he_o there_o show_v be_v that_o there_o be_v not_o time_n for_o writ_n to_o issue_n to_o choose_v any_o representatives_n of_o the_o commons_o but_o not_o a_o word_n offer_v against_o their_o be_v there_o in_o their_o own_o person_n have_v be_v get_v together_o expect_v the_o king_n answer_v to_o their_o demand_n who_o appoint_v a_o meeting_n at_o runemede_o dorso_fw-la the_o record_n say_v there_o be_v comites_fw-la &_o barones_n &_o liberi_fw-la homines_fw-la totius_fw-la regni_fw-la or_o according_a to_o that_o expounder_n of_o more_o fallible_a record_n ma._n paris_n marg._n there_o be_v the_o magnate_v which_o must_v there_o be_v mean_v of_o the_o nobilitas_fw-la major_n unless_o you_o take_v they_o for_o the_o king_n friend_n only_o as_o the_o great_a man_n of_o the_o kingdom_n elsewhere_o these_o magnate_n have_v draw_v to_o their_o side_n and_o to_o that_o treaty_n vniversam_fw-la fere_n totius_fw-la regni_fw-la nobilitatem_fw-la 244._o and_o this_o nobility_n be_v so_o numerous_a that_o they_o make_v a_o vast_a army_n exercitum_fw-la inestimabilem_fw-la confecerunt_fw-la and_o the_o record_n not_o only_o show_v that_o such_o as_o be_v but_o liberi_fw-la homines_fw-la be_v there_o and_o party_n to_o the_o agreement_n be_v inter_fw-la regem_fw-la comites_fw-la &_o barones_n &_o liberos_fw-la homines_fw-la but_o the_o body_n of_o the_o charter_n show_v that_o tenant_n by_o other_o free_a tenor_n beside_o knight_n service_n be_v interest_v in_o it_o beside_o this_o the_o frequent_a meeting_n in_o so_o wide_a a_o place_n as_o runenede_v call_v pratum_fw-la concilii_fw-la as_o i_o observe_v in_o the_o same_o page_n be_v a_o strong_a argument_n that_o vast_a body_n compose_v the_o great_a council_n in_o those_o day_n and_o why_o tenant_n in_o free_a socage_n be_v not_o member_n as_o well_o as_o such_o as_o hold_v of_o subject_n by_o knight_n service_n i_o see_v no_o reason_n but_o wait_v for_o the_o doctor_n in_o the_o mean_a while_o i_o shall_v present_v he_o with_o some_o other_o authority_n which_o show_v that_o my_o assertion_n be_v not_o precarious_a 2._o if_o in_o the_o 38th_o of_o h._n 3._o the_o commons_o or_o probi_fw-la homines_fw-la be_v member_n of_o the_o great_a council_n by_o representative_n of_o their_o own_o choice_n and_o degree_n there_o be_v beside_o all_o the_o tenant_n in_o capite_fw-la two_o choose_v for_o every_o county_n authority_n vice_n omnium_fw-la &_o singulorum_fw-la and_o yet_o such_o come_v in_o their_o own_o person_n both_o before_o and_o after_o the_o make_n of_o king_n john_n charter_n since_o which_o till_o the_o 48th_o or_o 49th_o of_o h._n 3._o no_o alteration_n in_o the_o way_n 248._o or_o right_a of_o come_v be_v suppose_v then_o it_o follow_v that_o representation_n be_v bring_v in_o when_o the_o commons_o who_o may_v have_v come_v in_o their_o own_o person_n agree_v to_o it_o and_o there_o be_v of_o the_o council_n before_o the_o norman_a time_n and_o then_o barones_n &_o populus_fw-la it_o be_v not_o to_o be_v doubt_v but_o that_o they_o come_v in_o their_o person_n if_o they_o will_v both_o in_o the_o saxon_a and_o norman_a time_n especial_o since_o william_n the_o first_o do_v but_o confirm_v the_o law_n of_o the_o confessor_n concern_v the_o power_n of_o the_o great_a council_n ed._n in_o word_n that_o show_v that_o all_o the_o member_n be_v in_o those_o age_n style_v peer_n such_o as_o may_v come_v in_o person_n and_o that_o inferior_a proprietor_n be_v member_n the_o law_n of_o the_o great_a folcmote_a then_o receive_v prove_v beyond_o all_o dispute_n 3._o if_o beside_o barones_n 241._o and_o milites_fw-la we_o find_v libere_fw-la tenentes_fw-la 112._o or_o fideles_fw-la in_o the_o account_n of_o great_a council_n before_o 49_o h._n 3._o we_o be_v to_o suppose_v representation_n even_o without_o consideration_n of_o the_o capacious_a place_n of_o their_o assembly_n and_o the_o multitude_n there_o that_o such_o proprietor_n of_o land_n as_o will_v come_v personal_o till_o a_o law_n or_o common_a practice_n to_o the_o contrary_n be_v show_v it_o be_v according_a to_o their_o natural_a right_n and_o the_o natural_a import_n of_o the_o word_n beside_o the_o doctor_n do_v not_o allow_v of_o representation_n except_o the_o tenant_n in_o capite_fw-la who_o come_v without_o election_n 66._o be_v representative_n of_o the_o rest_n 4._o if_o king_n john_n charter_n do_v not_o exhibit_v the_o full_a form_n of_o our_o english_a great_a throughout_o and_o most_o general_a council_n in_o those_o day_n but_o by_o continue_v the_o right_n of_o every_o particular_a place_n leave_v room_n for_o proprietor_n of_o land_n to_o have_v be_v member_n as_o well_o as_o tenant_n in_o capite_fw-la than_o the_o libere_fw-la tenentes_fw-la which_o many_o record_n before_o the_o suppose_a change_n in_o the_o time_n of_o h._n 3._o mention_n as_o member_n of_o the_o great_a council_n be_v not_o tenant_n in_o capite_fw-la and_o as_o tenant_n in_o capite_fw-la come_v in_o their_o own_o person_n for_o matter_n concern_v their_o tenor_n so_o unless_o the_o contrary_n can_v be_v show_v we_o be_v to_o believe_v that_o the_o libere_fw-la tenentes_fw-la not_o hold_v in_o capite_fw-la come_v in_o like_a manner_n especial_o if_o we_o consider_v how_o mean_a be_v some_o of_o the_o majores_fw-la barones_n to_o who_o special_a writ_n be_v to_o be_v direct_v as_o he_o that_o hold_v part_n of_o the_o barony_n of_o mulgrave_n scaccario_fw-la per_fw-la servitium_fw-la millesimae_fw-la ducentesimae_fw-la partis_fw-la baroniae_fw-la nay_o i_o find_v norman_a darcy_n who_o indeed_o hold_v several_a parcel_n of_o the_o manor_n of_o darcy_n which_o seem_v to_o be_v by_o several_a purchase_n exemption_n among_o other_o share_n hold_v centessimam_fw-la partem_fw-la centessimae_fw-la sexagessimae_fw-la partis_fw-la baroniae_fw-la the_o hundred_o part_n of_o the_o hundred_o and_o sixty_v part_n of_o the_o barony_n and_o yet_o that_o he_o who_o have_v only_o so_o much_o be_v baro_n major_a appear_v in_o that_o the_o common_a law_n exempt_v he_o from_o be_v of_o a_o common_a jury_n as_o hold_v part_n of_o a_o barony_n beside_o the_o doctor_n yield_v that_o more_o than_o such_o as_o be_v express_o mention_v in_o the_o contest_v clause_n tenant_n in_o military_a service_n of_o king_n john_n charter_n viz._n of_o tenant_n in_o capite_fw-la be_v member_n of_o the_o great_a council_n which_o he_o do_v not_o always_o confine_v to_o the_o great_a tenant_n and_o some_o of_o these_o be_v as_o inconsiderable_a and_o as_o unfit_a for_o counsellor_n as_o the_o generality_n of_o the_o libere_fw-la tenentes_fw-la for_o though_o he_o in_o his_o sixteen_o year_n search_n 41._o can_v find_v no_o less_o a_o part_n of_o a_o knight_n fee_n than_o a_o twenty_o yet_o in_o the_o last_o recite_v record_n he_o may_v meet_v with_o the_o sixty_v part_n of_o one_o knight_n fee_n in_o the_o manor_n of_o norton_n 5._o be_v all_o that_o be_v member_n of_o the_o great_a council_n in_o those_o time_n of_o which_o our_o dispute_n be_v 219._o be_v noble_n in_o which_o the_o doctor_n and_o i_o agree_v and_o the_o noble_n come_v in_o their_o own_o person_n the_o libere_fw-la tenentes_fw-la part_n of_o the_o nobility_n be_v personal_o present_a indeed_o corporation_n hold_v in_o capite_fw-la may_v well_o come_v by_o representation_n be_v they_o be_v but_o as_o one_o noble_a and_o one_o tenent_n and_o will_v have_v be_v a_o unwieldy_a body_n to_o move_v to_o council_n unite_v as_o their_o interest_n be_v 6._o king_n john_n resignation_n be_v void_a because_o it_o be_v without_o the_o consent_n of_o the_o commons_o sanz_n leur_fw-fr assent_n and_o to_o say_v that_o this_o be_v without_o the_o assent_n of_o a_o general_a council_n colloquium_fw-la or_o parliament_n in_o those_o time_n when_o it_o be_v do_v unless_o he_o yield_v the_o same_o sort_n or_o degree_n of_o man_n to_o have_v be_v member_n of_o the_o
the_o staple_n make_v the_o 21_o of_o e._n 3._o to_o which_o the_o answer_n be_v very_o obvious_a that_o they_o make_v only_a ordinance_n not_o law_n and_o that_o these_o be_v magna_fw-la consilia_fw-la take_v in_o a_o sense_n total_o different_a from_o the_o generalia_fw-la concilia_fw-la or_o parliament_n and_o all_o this_o appear_v above_o the_o power_n and_o subtlety_n of_o our_o learned_a doctor_n evasion_n in_o that_o the_o record_v cite_v by_o himself_o in_o the_o 26_o e._n 3._o call_v the_o assembly_n they_o be_v summon_v to_o concilium_fw-la only_a and_o a_o act_n of_o parliament_n in_o the_o twenty_o eight_o of_o that_o king_n call_v what_o be_v do_v in_o the_o twenty_o seven_o ordinance_n 13._o and_o that_o meet_v a_o great_a council_n magnum_fw-la concilium_fw-la but_o such_o a_o council_n it_o be_v and_o its_o resolution_n such_o mere_a ordinance_n the_o distinction_n of_o which_o from_o act_n be_v well_o know_v that_o that_o very_o next_o parliament_n find_v it_o needful_a to_o confirm_v and_o give_v they_o the_o force_n of_o a_o law_n agreeable_o to_o this_o the_o earl_n marshal_n in_o that_o grand_a case_n in_o the_o 3_o h._n 6._o plead_v 12._o that_o though_o a_o determination_n have_v be_v make_v against_o the_o say_a earl_n martial_n in_o great_a council_n though_o he_o have_v be_v of_o full_a age_n that_o may_v not_o disherit_v he_o without_o authority_n of_o parliament_n these_o be_v uncontrollable_a evidence_n and_o proof_n against_o he_o let_v he_o to_o save_v the_o great_a credit_n of_o his_o learning_n answer_v they_o if_o he_o can_v but_o who_o be_v the_o new_a government-maker_n and_o new_a parliament-maker_n perhaps_o one_o may_v know_v from_o himself_o when_o he_o have_v consider_v a_o little_a better_o and_o then_o he_o may_v think_v the_o government_n as_o it_o be_v now_o establish_v nighly_a concern_v in_o his_o error_n perhaps_o it_o will_v be_v say_v i_o injure_v this_o good_a man_n in_o impute_v to_o he_o a_o design_n in_o relation_n to_o the_o present_a government_n since_o he_o own_v that_o the_o most_o excellent_a great_a council_n 229._o and_o go_v to_o prove_v it_o evident_o from_o record_n receive_v its_o perfection_n from_o the_o king_n authority_n and_o time_n but_o it_o be_v obvious_a that_o its_o perfection_n must_v be_v mean_v of_o such_o its_o perfection_n as_o his_o book_n allow_v and_o he_o will_v make_v evident_a but_o what_o be_v that_o that_o lord_n shall_v to_o the_o time_n of_o his_o excellent_a discovery_n be_v summon_v to_o parliament_n 228._o or_o pass_v by_o at_o the_o king_n pleasure_n and_o that_o if_o the_o king_n please_v he_o may_v summon_v one_o knight_n for_o a_o county_n 249._o one_o citizen_n for_o a_o city_n one_o burgess_n for_o a_o burgh_n and_o those_o name_v to_o the_o sheriff_n and_o this_o design_n will_v be_v very_o evident_a if_o we_o observe_v his_o airy_a ambuscade_n to_o return_v his_o own_o phrase_n and_o mere_a juggle_n in_o join_v the_o king_n authority_n and_o time_n together_o we_o think_v we_o have_v something_o but_o by_o a_o hocus_n pocus_fw-la trick_n it_o be_v go_v for_o admit_v that_o its_o perfection_n be_v such_o as_o we_o say_v it_o have_v at_o this_o day_n viz._n for_o lord_n to_o come_v of_o right_n in_o their_o own_o person_n and_o that_o the_o commons_o shall_v send_v representative_n of_o their_o free_a choice_n yet_o let_v we_o see_v what_o setlement_n he_o give_v this_o great_a council_n for_o which_o purpose_n we_o must_v divide_v the_o two_o authority_n which_o sometime_o may_v differ_v and_o 1._o suppose_v that_o though_o time_n will_v preserve_v that_o power_n which_o the_o great_a council_n exercise_n a_o king_n will_v hereafter_o take_v it_o all_o to_o himself_o and_o make_v law_n by_o a_o council_n of_o his_o own_o choose_n or_o without_o any_o if_o the_o doctor_n allow_v this_o power_n doubtless_o the_o next_o parliament_n will_v thank_v he_o 2._o suppose_v that_o without_o or_o against_o the_o king_n authority_n time_n only_o will_v establish_v this_o great_a council_n can_v this_o be_v do_v he_o that_o affirm_v it_o sure_o will_v be_v no_o great_a friend_n to_o prerogative_n nor_o understand_v he_o that_o maxim_n nullum_fw-la tempus_fw-la occurrit_fw-la regi_fw-la and_o one_o of_o these_o must_v be_v close_v with_o it_o will_v be_v object_v that_o i_o be_o as_o injurious_a to_o prerogative_n in_o argue_v that_o some_o lord_n may_v have_v a_o right_n of_o prescription_n to_o come_v to_o the_o upper-house_n but_o i_o think_v no_o sober_a man_n will_v deny_v that_o there_o be_v a_o right_a either_o from_o writ_n alone_o or_o from_o writ_n as_o prescribe_v to_o and_o it_o be_v strange_a that_o it_o shall_v not_o be_v against_o prerogative_n to_o urge_v a_o right_n from_o one_o royal_a concession_n and_o yet_o it_o shall_v be_v to_o urge_v it_o from_o many_o but_o far_o if_o they_o who_o have_v no_o right_a to_o come_v in_o person_n or_o be_v represent_v in_o parliament_n shall_v by_o colour_n of_o prescription_n put_v themselves_o upon_o the_o king_n for_o counsellor_n this_o be_v derogatory_n to_o the_o prerogative_n but_o if_o there_o be_v a_o natural_a right_n for_o proprietor_n of_o land_n with_o who_o some_o say_v be_v the_o balance_n of_o power_n within_o this_o nation_n to_o be_v interest_v in_o the_o legislature_n which_o i_o 〈◊〉_d not_o affirm_v or_o if_o there_o be_v such_o a_o positive_a right_n not_o only_o from_o the_o law_n for_o frequent_a parliament_n which_o suppose_v such_o to_o be_v member_n as_o have_v be_v but_o more_o particular_o from_o the_o law_n receive_v in_o the_o four_o of_o william_n the_o first_o regni_fw-la and_o by_o positive_a law_n or_o custom_n the_o king_n use_v to_o send_v special_a writ_n for_o some_o general_a for_o other_o the_o prescribe_v to_o special_a writ_n which_o be_v not_o of_o substance_n as_o to_o the_o legislative_a interest_n be_v no_o diminution_n of_o prerogative_n because_o no_o more_o in_o effect_n be_v out_o of_o the_o king_n than_o be_v before_o which_o be_v that_o this_o man_n shall_v one_o way_n or_o other_o have_v a_o share_n in_o the_o legislature_n if_o this_o solution_n of_o i_o will_v not_o pass_v i_o can_v help_v it_o i_o be_o sure_a the_o law_n for_o a_o right_n ground_v upon_o one_o or_o more_o special_a writ_n of_o summons_n stand_v fast_o though_o the_o reason_n of_o it_o shall_v be_v above_o my_o reach_n have_v run_v through_o a_o book_n so_o ill-natured_a to_o the_o government_n and_o so_o impotent_a in_o its_o settle_a anger_n 81._o as_o that_o which_o some_o may_v think_v to_o have_v no_o other_o design_n than_o that_o of_o expose_v mr._n petyt_n and_o i_o the_o one_o for_o artifice_n unhandsome_a deal_n with_o and_o false_a application_n of_o record_n etc._n etc._n the_o other_o among_o other_o thing_n for_o ignorance_n confidence_n and_o cheat_v his_o reader_n i_o may_v hope_v notwithstanding_o the_o disparity_n of_o year_n and_o the_o dignity_n of_o his_o place_n to_o be_v very_o excusable_a in_o use_v our_o answerer_n with_o no_o more_o respect_n when_o a_o man_n render_v himself_o cheap_a by_o his_o folly_n and_o yet_o meet_v with_o many_o so_o weak_a that_o they_o be_v disciple_v by_o he_o to_o notion_n of_o dangerous_a and_o pernicious_a consequence_n to_o the_o state_n ridentem_fw-la dicere_fw-la verum_fw-la quis_fw-la vetat_fw-la in_o sum_v up_o the_o product_n of_o his_o many_o year_n labour_n which_o my_o preface_n charge_v he_o with_o perhaps_o it_o may_v be_v think_v that_o i_o omit_v one_o considerable_a head_n however_o i_o leave_v to_o other_o if_o they_o think_v fit_a to_o add_v for_o a_o seven_o that_o both_o lord_n and_o commons_o may_v be_v deprive_v of_o all_o share_n or_o vote_n in_o make_v of_o law_n for_o the_o government_n of_o the_o kingdom_n when_o ever_o any_o future_a king_n shall_v please_v to_o resume_v the_o regality_n some_o perhaps_o may_v add_v a_o eight_o that_o the_o parliament_n be_v nothing_o but_o magna_fw-la concilia_fw-la such_o as_o be_v call_v only_o to_o advise_v upon_o what_o shall_v be_v give_v in_o direction_n but_o no_o consent_n of_o they_o require_v to_o make_v the_o king_n determination_n a_o bind_v law_n and_o vice_n versa_fw-la every_o great_a council_n such_o as_o that_o call_v to_o york_n 1640._o be_v a_o parliament_n finis_fw-la against_o jani_fw-la etc._n etc._n p._n 1._o ib._n p._n 113._o and_o 114._o jani_fw-la etc._n etc._n p._n 26._o quid_fw-la a_o new_a paragraph_n he_o add_v such_o to_o case_n to_o render_v it_o obscure_v jani_fw-la etc._n etc._n p._n 26._o na._n so_o if_o a_o sum_n in_o gross_a be_v lay_v upon_o they_o viz._n to_o such_o payment_n as_o tallage_n against_o jani_fw-la etc._n etc._n p._n 113._o indeed_o he_o will_v take_v in_o more_o place_n na._n the_o king_n do_v perhaps_o require_v a_o certain_a sum_n after_o a_o general_a ordinance_n make_v by_o