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Baby-baptism meer babism, or, An answer to nobody in five words to every-body who finds himself concern'd in't by Samuel Fisher.
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Fisher, Samuel, 1605-1665.
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Ioanes example they may yet by Pauls rule they may not usurp authority in the Church * For now that 's put down also as to the present session as every power will be and that suddenly and with shame that puts down others for tyranny covetousness unrighteousness self settlement in greatnesse and delay of justice to poor people that cry for it in these latter daies and yet succeeds them in the same sins and in such security as to say Populus me sibilet at mihi plaudo Ipsa domi simulac nummos contempler in Arca. * I mean take tith for you pay none * of which you have the fift not the tenth if the husbandmans charges be all considered * If you were not blind your selves you would gather thus much from that viz. that while men are blind they sat under your ministry but when once they begin clearly to see they can see no ground to sit under you any longer * Nicholas the first was I think the first that prohibited the Clergy marriage saying that it was more honest to have to do with many women privately then openly to take one â—…fe Insomuch that a Priest of Placentia being accused to have a wife and children was deprived of his Benefice but proving the said woman to be the wife of another mâ—…n and his conebine onely he was again restored Helin p. 183. * That there should be 40000 dipped disciples at the first beginning of them too shall be no article of my faith who find an increase but to a few 1000s of such here in England undâ—…r no losse then seven years talking of this truth and find men more refusing to be baptized at all in truth then forward to be baptized ore again yea in this English Sectarian army of Anabaptists as it s termed by you Priests who have a habit of naming all men Anabaptists whether baptized or no that are up in lawful armes for the civil rights and liberties of the people against those Priests and Princes that have destroyed them t is to be feared there 's not one of an 100 did ever own Christ so far yet as to be baptized * Qui intravit ut vulpes reg navit ut Leo moâ—…ieb atur ut Canis came in a like a Fox reigned like a Lion dyed like a Dog * O monstrous is â—…age come upon our Doctors now in the hight that Apollo is the true God with them and his Oracles which by Christians were ever counted the Devils Gods oracles and the spoiâ—…ing of his Temple the spoiling and rifling Gods church and the ruin which Machinatione Daemonis say Historians themselves that write it fell on them that attempted it the curse of God for this sin of Sacriledge and Robbing God of his due so it should seem for defining Sacriledge to be a robbing of God a rifling of his Churches stripping Religion of her necesâ—…ary dresse and decent rites and ceremonies and asserting that God will curse with strange curses those that are guilty of it his first instance is the revenging hand of God on Xerxes for medling with the Temple of Appollo Surely these men who have so high an esteem of the God Appollo and his Temple would have had the like of Appollo's Sister Diana the great Goddess of the Ephesians and her Temple whom all Asia and the world worshipped Act. 19. 27. and counted Paul a Sacrilegious fellow in dispising her Magnificence and turning away people from her worship as Demetrius did who got his wealth by her standing had they been alive at that time yet this is the Doctor we are sent to for furniture with knowledge of the truth by you Ashford Accountants * Alias the Great gawdy building that was there in as much veneration as Pauls Church in London is for that is the Church with some whom a stone Church and wooden Priesthood pleases better then a spiritual house of living stones and spiritual ministry in it * Built by Queen Helena who if you consult the Story in no lesse Superstitious Devotion then they the Vessels of the Temple did consecrate the Temple it self to the Honor of Christ Pueri sacer est locus extra meiite * Alias the holy habitations of the most abominable holy Fryers who no question fryed in the fire of holy wrath and rage to see their holy Cloisters and Chappels sacrilegiously prophaned to civil uses which by them and their Lady Abbesses were wont to be made use of saving their holy Superstitions to nothing but uncivil and unclean * For then by my consent they shall be counted Sacrilegious too that shall ever happen to be spoilers of the tripple crown So Mr. Bayly and Mr. Baxt. Featly p. 161. 167. also Featley and Pagits title pages * Helin p. 161 * See Baâ—… Ep to the Read also Feat in his Epist. to the Read and p. 161. * Sae Featleys Epist. to the Read * Helin p. 189 * pâ—…va est vobis cura linguarum minor Artium mini ma pietatis were most of you as little learnd as good a peaâ—…cod shell might make you gown and hooâ—… Hang out your lights here your new lights quoth he scoffingly who in pride prints himself Capape Captain generall of all the Presbyterian forces in England c. viz. Dr. B. * Sir Henry Wotton Ciceâ—… 2. de naâ—… deor 1 Causes * After the oâ—…throw of the exâ—…chate 〈◊〉 Empâ—…rs now neglecting Italy the Roman began now to be governed by the advice power of the Popes Pepin and his son Charls having overthrown the Lombards give unto the Popes the Ex archate Urbine Ancona Spolero and many other Towns and territories about Rome Act. 18. 3. 4. Act. 20. 33. 34. 35. 2 Cor. 11. 7. ad 12. so 12. 13. 18. 1 Cor. 4. 11 12. 1 Thes. 2. 9. 2. Thes. 4. 6 7 8 9 10 11 12. * Witnesse Al bert Archbi of Mentz who being at the diet at Ausbourge An. 1530. finding a bible on the the Table reading some leaves thereof where by chance he opened it said tâ—…uly I know not what book this is but this I see it makes all against us * Magister art is ingenii que laâ—…tor venter docuit negatas artifex sequi voces * 2 Tim. 3. 15. 16. * Featly p. 113. 2. Design 3 Effects * see the last clause of the first part of the Ashford pamphlet p. 11. Mr. Wilson Mr. Williamson * Mat. 15. 9. * Hâ—…tness Luther himself who though he wrote bitterly against indulgences yet durst not 〈◊〉 ought from the 〈◊〉 of 〈◊〉 most holy Father Leo See an Epistle of his to Pope Leo the 10â—… * See Dr. Featleys dippers dipt See Dr. Helins Geography where speaking of Pope Joan he calls her both the literal and the mysticall Whâ—…re of Babylon * See Rutherfords Presbytery in the Epistles Dedicatory to the Reader * One of the three parts Rev. 16. 19. of the great City BBBabylon viz. the Pope and his carnal crue of Clergymen the Prelate found out but in nostris talpae in alienis linces sumus was so pittifully purblind at home that he could never find out a second the second part of that Babylonish WWWhore which are the Prelate and his Priesthood the Presbyter found out and began to cry out upon them also as an harlot but standing so much in his own light that he cannot see himself for himself and cannot see wood for trees to this day he cant hit upon the third but even that also which is the Presbyterian Clergy is in Tyranny so like the rest that the name Babylon will appear upon their foreheads too within a while * The term Christ used to Peter for his subtle selfishnesse immediately after he had honored him with the name of Peter Mat. 16. where the actions are Satanical the reproof cannot be too Satyri cal to whom soever See Brain 's Babels fall * Nos RustÄ«ci haud cÅ«â—…ănus quanâ—…ītătem SyllÄbÅrum
literature I did indeed acknowlege my self to be a Dunce and a Fool but as to your bringing me in here as branding my self with the name of Ass I must protest against it as one of those scandalous and false aspersions with many more of which this story of yours is stored in trial of which I appeal to a letter sent to me some few dayes after the Disputation from an eminent gentleman then of your party my answer whereunto you cavill at but care not for answering at all your selves wherein he writes thus to me as concerning this present passage viz. If any man should ask my opinion now notwithstanding your seeming modesty to term your self Dunce and fool I should be apt to conclude with the proverb that to me you did appear by much more knave than fool either therefore this gentlemans memory was better than yours or else your faculty of forging is greater than his and this is most likely of the two for though he reviles me through ignorance of what I am yet I think he spake plainly what he thought and repeated no more than what I spake of my self but you oportet mendacem esse memorem whether wittingly or no it concerns you to examine have most grosly falsified my words that you may fasten the fouler blemish upon my person this language you learn'd be like from Dr. Featly who very often al-to-be-asses the Anabaptists calling his argument from circumcision to Infant-baptism in respect of the Anabaptists Pontem Asinorum a bridge which these Asses could never pass over p. 40. also in his preface to the Reader wherein rating the russet Rabbies for preaching against the errors of the Priest-hood what quoth he are all the Prophets become mad that the Asses mouth must needs be open by miracle to reprove them nor doth he say so altogether without some reason for verily we were all once Ass-assinated so farre as most Christ'n creatures are still as to yield our selves up to be â—…id by Balaam the false Prophet i. e. Assemblies and Classes of the Clergy who love Tythes the wages of their unrighteousness and take toll of all people for deluding them till upon a time we saw the Angel of the Lord with his sword ready drawn in his hand to destroy him as he was riding us to defie Israel since when refusing to go with him any further though he smites us of Dumb Asses as we were before we are become the Lord opening our mouths a people speaking with mans voice and forbidding the madness of the Prophet Moreover I may well excuse your calling me Asse by craft whilst you condescend to call your selves unawares by the same name of Fools and Asses for do but mark what you here say of me and how you make it agree with your selves he said say you that he was a fool and an asse and that which he said of himself out of a voluntary humility the Ministers did acknowledge i. e. of themselves out of a sense of their wants fallere fallentem non est fraus Report You tell us further that you prayd the Congregation that since you were not the men appointed for the Disputation but onely undertook it that the truth might not be wholly deserted and the current of slanders which was likely to rush in against it might be somewhat interrupted by the seasonable interposing of your selves they would not suffer any defects of yours to prejudice the cause that it was the truth on your side did animate you to undertake it which you were ready to evince by the Arguments following leaving the success to God to whom onely it belonged to convince the understanding Reply Here 's much talk of the truth and the truth but the truth is your undertakings have been ever a deserting of the truth as it is in Iesus and causes of a current of flanders that rush in against it in every parish from the mouthes of your Priest-rid people who living under your constant out-cries of Heresie Schism and such like upon all that suits not with your covetous interest have learnt exactly to speak in your tongue as if they had been spit out of your mouthes as for your seasonable interposure it is by so much unseasonable as t' will prove successess to your ends for though while the Clergies will was the worlds law their interposings did interrupt all arisings of truth yet now t is the time of the end wherein men wil run to and fro and you labor in the fire and weary your selves for very vanity to uphold your thred-bare traditions for the earth shall be filled with the knowledge of the Lord as the waters cover the sea Report The sum of the Disputation held at Ashford in Kent Iuly 27. Reply Had these two brief businesses which you stile above the sum of my position and here the sum of the Disputation been stilled some of the position some of the Disputation or a little of one and a little of t'other you had bin in the right on 't for there 's scarce so much as some of either As for the Position you have dispos'd on 't out of the way and diminisht the Disputation into nothing almost in comparison of the true proportion of both Now as to this piece of business which you stile the sum of the Disputation I must talk with it two wayes and deal with it under this double notion First as t is a Relation of the then Disputation Secondly as t is your Disputation for Infant-baptism I shall shew the falsness of the one and the foolishness of the other and then come to review your Review your relation so you term it is most manifestly false if not as false a one as was ever pend or printed concerning such a matter since the Pope and his Priests perceiving their kingdom to decline by the breakings forth of truth from under their smothers began to be-lye its witnesses to this day I shall take notice of a few more of your figments and two or three passages in the Disputation which passed by the memories of you Accountants least by telling the whole truth you should shame the devil and your selves which may suffice to prove a disproportion between your Tattale and its Title of true Account and so leave it to the unprejudic'd auditors of our Discourse and impartiall per-users of our Relations Report First you assert page 3. and that point blank that I confessed that at three or four years old many began to be instructed in Principles of Religion and that at that age they might be baptized but afterwards that proof being offered that infants of a day old were as capable of baptism I would have recalled it Reply Sirs why hath Satan filled your hearts to ly thus against the truth and by filching out of the waie purposelie as may be supposed what was of most moment to the making out of my true meaning to wrest and represent my expressions and intentions in them as