fire from heauen Leuit. 10. 1 5. Vzzah of a good intent but touching the Arke was striken dead of God 2. Sam. 6. 7. The Bethshemites for but looking into the Arke were smitten dead to the number of aboue fifty thousand 1. Sam. 6. 19. The Israelites slaine in the Wildernesse 1. Cor. 10. For vnaduisedly speaking yea when it came from a vexed and exasperated spirit was Moses punished Psal 105. 32 33. he was not permitted to goe into Canaan which was a type of Heauen but hee must dye before euen Moses Now whatsoeuer sinne vnder the Law God punished with death or commanded to be punished by death the same without remission deserued eternall death For the first time that death is mentioned it is to bee vnderstood of death temporall and eternall due to all had not there beene a Mediatour betweene God and vs Gen. 2. 17. Fourthly it teacheth that Originall sinne which is lesse then any actuall sinne whether in thought word or deed is punished with death Rom. 5. 12. Now if the reward of this sinne be death then surely much more any other flowing from thence though it seeme to man neuer so small an offence deserueth death as the very consent of the minde to other euill doers among which boasters are reckoned is worthy of death Rom. 1. 32. yea and Commessations which we translate Reuellings wherein too many much delight is a sinne which keepes the doers thereof that they cannot obtaine the Kingdome of God Gal. 5. 21. Fifthly sinnes of ignorance vnder the law Leuit. 4. 2 13 27. had sacrifices appointed to make an atonement to God for them Now all sacrifices for sinne shewed that a man deserued death for euery such sinne Now if sinnes of ignorance deserue death what may all men think of such sins as Papists call veniall before-mentioned plainely forbidden by the Word of God Sixtly to commit adulterie is a mortall sinne but their Bible telleth vs that for one to see a woman to lust after her hath al-already committed adulterie with her in his heart Matth. 5. 28. And can any sinne seeme lesse then concupiscence of the heart suddenly arising by the obiect to the sight And yet Papists make wanton dalliances no sinne or as none in their account Seuenthly it sheweth that it is Christs bloud that cleanseth from all sinne 1. Ioh. 1. Now if euery sinne needs cleansing by his bloud then euery sinne in its owne nature is mortall in that it cannot be cleansed but by his death Contraried by Antiquitie Austin in Enchirid. cap. 79. speaking of sinnes which might seeme small saith They might bee thought very light but that in the Scriptures they are demonstrated greater then wee doe imagine But that the truth speakes it who would thinke saith hee that for a man to call his Brother foole is guiltie of hell-fire The ancient Fathers earnestly exhort to beware of counting any sinnes light or small Basil qu. Contract qu. 4. No sinne is to bee accounted as small for that saith hee it is the sting of death See for this Austin Epist 108. and in Ioh. 11. 13. Chrysost on Gal. 1. Ierome in Epist ad Caelantiam It is very safe to beware of small sinnes as if they were great c. Neither doe I know saith he whether we may call any sinne small seeing it is committed with a kinde of contempt of God And he is most prudent who respects not so much the quantitie of the thing commanded as the dignitie of the Commander See Master Perkins his Demonst of his Probl. of veniall sin and therein many testimonies of the Ancients Gainsaid by their owne men Almaine out of Gerson Moral Tract 3. cap. 20. concludeth that no sinne is veniall of it selfe but onely through the mercy of God Azorius instit Moral part 1. lib. 4. cap. 8. doth maintaine against Bellarmine that veniall sinnes are against the Law Now that which is against the Law is deadly Of this opinion is Fisher Bishop of Rochester and diuers others See the Authors in Doctor Whites Way digres 38. pag. 247. and Bishop Mortons Protest Appeal pag. 646. To passe ouer the oppositions of one against another they all call them sinnes Now euery sinne is the transgression of the Law 1. Ioh. 3. 4. By which we come to the knowledge of sinne Rom. 3. 26. and 7. 7. And if there were no Law there were no transgression Rom. 4. 15. Therefore in confessing veniall sinnes to be sinnes they make them transgressions of the Law and then the Law worketh wrath Rom. 4. 15. and so necessarily through veniall sinnes they are vnder wrath and so sinne mortally euen to condemnation except God in Christ pardon them and that they doe heartily repent pray for pardon and seeke with God reconciliation by Christ Scriptures obiected answered Matth. 5. 25. Whosoeuer is angry with his brother without cause is in danger of Iudgement And whosoeuer shall say vnto his Brother Racha shall be in danger of Councill and whosoeuer shall say Thou Foole shall be guilty of Hell-fire Answ This place proueth not any sinnes to be veniall and not mortall in their owne nature For first this should be against the scope of Christs speech in confuting the Pharises mis-vnderstanding the Law and here in particular the sixt commandement They stucke to the Letter Christ here extendeth the breach of this Law to thoughts and words so making a man by causelesse anger and railing words to be before God guiltie of murder Is this then to make sinne veniall or are not rather those which they conceit to bee veniall by Christ here made mortall if to be guilty of bloud before God be mortall Secondly here is no difference made of sinnes in their nature but onely here is shewed the degrees of sinning and that one offence is greater then another For faine would I know of them how they can distinguish these in nature that anger and calling one Racha should be veniall and to call one Foole to bee mortall Thirdly the punishments here expressed distinguish not the nature of the sinnes but shew the degrees of punishments according as men sinne For as God in mercy will reward mens well-doings with degrees of glory so in iustice will he in hell the damned with degrees of punishment Matth. 10. 15. Fourthly whereas our Aduersaries make Iudgement and Councill temporall punishments for veniall sinnes and hell fire for mortall sinnes taking aduantage by the translation of the word Gehenna First it is cleere that punishments doe not alter the nature of sinnes but being duely executed doe shew onely the degrees of sinne to be greater or lesser and so are they accordingly punished Secondly Papists themselues hold vnaduised anger and words euen tending to blasphemie comming of sudden and vnaduised anger as the word Racha and Foole doe here to be veniall sinnes Therefore they erre in distinguishing the sinnes thus into veniall and mortall which they themselues account to be veniall Thirdly the punishments here mentioned are such
all those things which containe faith and good manners Chrysost in 2. Thes 2. Hom. 3. All things are cleare and plaine in diuine Scriptures whatsoeuer things are necessarie are manifest The same Father in Hom. 1. in Matth. saith That the Scriptures are easie to vnderstand and are laid open to the conceit and apprehension of euery seruant and plowman widdow and boy and him that is most simple So saith Isiod Pelusiota li. 2. epist 5. de Lazer and giueth vs a reason of the plainenesse God penned the Scriptures saith he by the hands of Publicans Fishermen Tent-makers Shepheards Neat-heards vnlearned men in that none of the simple might haue any excuse to keepe them from reading that so they might be easie to be vnderstood of all of the Artificer the Housholder the Widdow woman and of him that is most vnlearned yea the Prophets and Apostles as Schoole-masters to all the world made their writings plaine and euident to all men Origen cont Celsum The Scripture is deliuered as common Theodoret Socrat. lib. 1. meate in such sort as it is fitted altogether to the capacity of the multitude The Fathers therefore cleare the Scriptures in all necessarie matters to saluation from obscuritie Constantine prescribing lawes for the disputation in the Councell of Nice said That the Euangelicall and Apostolicall bookes and the Oracles of the ancient Prophets doe plainely teach vs what is to be iudged of diuine matters See more testimonies of Austin Chrysostome Ierome Fulgentius Hugo Victor Theodoret Lactantius Theoph. Antiochenus In his reply to Fishers answer Clem. Alexandrinus cyted by D. White pag. 36. Gainesaid by learned men of their owne Scotus 1. sent q. 2. The Scripture is cleare and sufficient and the vndoubted way to saluation Espencaeus in 2. Tim. 3. alleageth out of Prosper that little ones and great ones strong and weake may be nourished and fully satisfied Gregory de Valentia Such verities concerning our faith as are absolute and necessarie to be knowne and to be beleeued of all men are plainely taught in the Scriptures themselues Saunders in his Rock pa. 193. We haue most plaine Scripture in all points for the Catholike Faith Costerus in Enchir. We denie not but that these chiefe points which are necessarie to be knowne of all Christians for saluation are clearely enough comprehended in the Apostles writings It is not to be denied that many things are perspicuous in the holy Scriptures Laurentius Iustinianus serm de natiu Ioh. Baptist The Scripture is a faire burning lampe illustrious and conspicuous See in * Reply to Fishers answer Doct. White pa. 36. Aquinas Vasques Gonzales Obiected Scriptures answered 2. Pet. 3 16. In which are certaine things hard to be vnderstood which the vnlearned and vnstable depraue as also the rest of the Scriptures to their owne perdition Answ 1. This place is alleaged by Papists to deterre from the reading of the Scriptures contrary to Saint Peters meaning for he knew this that here he writeth before hee did sit downe to write this Epistle and yet in chap. 1. 19 he commendeth the care and study of the Scriptures to all which by their allegation this place should crosse and so should hee be made to write contrary to himselfe thus they abuse him and this his text of Scripture 2. The words hard to be vnderstood are to be referred to things 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 and not to Pauls Epistles nor to the Scriptures which do treate of those things for the words may bee plaine yet the matter sometimes hard obscure things may be expressed in euident speech and in words that may easily be vnderstood so as heere they confound words and matter the manner of deliuery and the thing deliuered 3. It s said that certaine things are hard to be vnderstood not all things so that from some things to all things is no good conclusion And wee our selues confesse that some things are hard to be vnderstood and some places yea many but they are not so necessary to saluation And in that which concerneth the Gospell and sauing knowledge the obscuritie is not in the stile of the Spirit but in the peruersitie and hardnesse of mans heart 2. Cor. 4. 3 4 and 3. 14 15 16. 4 Saint Peter by onely saying that certaine things are hard he yeelds that all the rest are easie to be vnderstood for exception onely to some cleareth the rest from obscuritie and if for some things hard they will conclude the obscuritie of Scripture how much more may we conclude the clearenesse of Scripture from the easinesse to vnderstand all the rest for all the points of life and saluation are in Scripture and if onely some things be hard then many things are easie therefore from the great part of the Scripture easie to bee vnderstood we may rather conclude the Scriptures plainnesse then from some things hard to put obscuritie vpon all the Scripture 5. Saint Peter telleth vs to whom and to what sorts of persons these hard things come to be mistaken yea and not onely the hard but also the rest the things easie to be vnderstood euen onely to the vnlearned and vnstable Therefore not to other which be learned and stable such as be taught of God and doe constantly indeuour to know the Lords will Is this good reasoning Some men vnderstand not Ergo None can Some abuse the Scripture Ergo All doe 6. To whom did Peter and Saint Paul and the rest of the Apostles write To whom were the Epistles sent to bee read Onely to the Clergie or to the Laitie also Verily to all sorts as we may reade 1. Thes 5. 27. Col. 4. 16. And therefore they were not hard to be vnderstood but might be vnderstood of all sorts else had it been vaine to reade them vnto all 7. If we consider it well the Scriptures are cleare to all sorts as they come prepared to the reading thereof Let the naturall man come with the Law within himselfe Rom. 2. 14. and with such common principles as are left in all by nature and he reading will find those things easily and with vnderstanding speake of them Let the honest Moralist come and reade and he will easily vnderstand the places of vertues and vices the examples of both the threats and promises the rewards punishments in which things a great part of Scripture is spent Let Artists come one with the Grammar and another with Logicke another with Rethorick and they will see easily the Grammar the Logick the Rethorick therein contained and so will other learned in other Sciences The naturall Philosopher will see the Philosophy they that haue skill in Lawes in Military affaires in Chronologies and many other things too long to recite will see by their skill these things easily in the Scriptures Now let in like manner a man indued with knowledge in Diuinitie and acquainted with the ground of Christianitie and catechized therein come to the Scriptures so furnished and
knowledge that I marueiled at them but the spirituall man iudgeth all things Espencaeus in 2. Tim. 3. pa. 116. testifieth that the Iewes did vse to instruct their children from fiue yeeres old A custome continued till this day So that saith he many Christians may bee ashamed of their negligence which is not onely my complaint saith he but also of the ancient Fathers marueiling that that custome should bee iudged now dangerous and pestiferous which the Ancient so often commended for profitable and wholesome Lorinus on Acts 17. 2. speaking of the Act of the noble Bereans saith That it was no more then Christ commanded when he said Search the Scriptures that is saith he as Chrysostome and Euthymius expound it not onely to reade it but also exactly and diligently to discusse it But I neede not speake more of this for among vs we see many of them take libertie to reade not onely their owne Translations but ours too Their practice then here with vs is against their doctrine and their practice else-where for in other places their doctrine is against reading of Scriptures translated and they also doe not suffer them to be read See plentifull testimonies cited by Doct. White in his Orthodox Faith pag. 47. 48. So they disallow and allow some of one mind some of another here with vs differing from themselues in Papisticall Countries for all is as the Iuggler playes fast or loose for their grand Masters aduantage Obiected Scriptures answered Deut. 10. 5. The two Tables were written by God and put by Moses into the Arke Answ What then Therefore the Scriptures are not to bee common and freely read of all If the putting of the Tables into the Arke might force such a conclusion the Scriptures might not onely bee kept from the people but from the Clergie too for those put into the Arke were neither for Priest nor people to reade But I answere more particularly 1. That these were not all the Scriptures of God although all that God himself did immediately write with his owne finger 2. These commandements in the Tables were also written out by Moses in Exod. 20. and in Deut. 5. which Bookes after were also copied out and so were in the hands of the Priests Princes and people 3. The putting them into the Arke was not that thence man should learne not to meddle with holy Scriptures which none euer dreamed of but these Romists For God commanded to teach them to his people Deut. 6. 1. and they were to instruct their children therein Deut. 6. 7. but they were put into the Arke for other ends 1. To keepe them safe there as a testimony against Israel 2. To learne to keepe them in their heart as they were kept in the Arke 3 Because the Arke was a type of Christ in whom this Law of commandements was written and in whom the Lords people should be accounted obseruers of the same Deut. 31. 9 26. There was but one copie of the Law and it was committed to the Priests of the Leuites to keepe and was hid for a long time till it was found in Iosias dayes 2. King 22. 8. Therefore the Scriptures were not common to all Answ It s true that there was but one originall that was kept but other copies were commanded to bee written out Deut. 17. 18. and the same to be read diligently vers 19. Ioshua had a copie of it Iosh 8. 34. Esdras had so Neh. 8. 2. In Iehosaphats See the Dowaies on Neh. 8. 2. for Copies time a copie was carried vp and downe 2. Chron. 17. 9. Daniel had bookes Dan. 9. 2. Christ telleth vs in the Parable Luk. 15. 29. that they had Moses and the Prophets The Law and Prophets were read in their Synagogues from old time Act. 13. 15. and 15. 21. How also could the Bereans search the Scriptures if they had not had them Act. 17. 11. And S. Paul saith that to the Iewes were committed the Oracles of God Rom. 3. 2. The booke of the Law was written to be read and heard of the people Deut. 31. 11 12. So were also the Prophets writings Ier. 36. 6 10 14 15. and free for any to reade them that could get copies of them as wee may see in the Eunuch Act. 8. 28. By all which it is cleare that the Scriptures were common for all Nehem. 8. Here they would gather that the Scriptures were read in Hebrew and yet the people vnderstood not the language so by certaine words in the Euangelists not Hebrew which were then spoken of the people as Golgotha Mat. 27. 33. Talitha cumi Mark 5. 41. Acheldama in Act. 1. 19. Answ That the Scriptures of the old Testament were in the Hebrew tongue is true but that the people vnderstood not that tongue is as false as the other true for it s said as their own Bible hath it Neh. 8. 3. that Esdras read plainely in the presence of the men and women and of those that vnderstood and the eares of all the people were attent to the Booke vers 8. and they vnderstood when it was read And though they were 70. yeeres in Captiuitie yet had they not lost the knowledge of the Hebrew tongue for many thousands and not a few of note and place which went into captiuitie liued to returne againe Esdras 2. 1 2 3 42 65. and 3. 12. And shall we thinke that these had lost their natiue tongue After their returne they had some strange words mixed with the Hebrew but yet they generally spake the Iewes language Neh. 13. 24. and the Prophets Haggai Zacharie and Malachi wrote in the Hebrew and the people hundreds of yeres after vnderstood the Hebrew tongue when it was spoken Act. 21. 40. and 22. 2. and could reade it written Ioh. 19. 20. yea it was so common that Christ spake Hebrew and in no other Language to Paul from Heauen Act. 26. 14. And as for the words of Christ on the Crosse Matth. 27. 46. which some hearing said He calleth for Eliah if they were spoken of the Iewes they did it in mockage If of the Romane souldiers they being strangers and not vnderstanding him it maketh nothing to the purpose or point in question Ioh. 7. 49. The people which knoweth not the Law are cursed Hence they would gather that the Iewes vnderstood not the Hebrew language in which the Law was written Answ 1. The Pharises arrogated knowledge to themselues and contemned the people for want of knowledge to wit of the sense and meaning of the Law but not of the letters words and language wherein it was written 2. Neither is it true that the people knew not the Law because these enemies of Christ said so no more then that they were cursed because they so said of them in hatred against them for following Christ VI. Proposition That the common libertie for all to reade the Scriptures doth breed heresies Confuted by their owne Bible 1. IT teacheth that the ignorance of the Scripture
is the cause of error Mat. 22. 29. Yee doe erre not knowing the Scriptures Error then is from ignorance of the Scriptures The Apostles doubting of Christs resurrection a maine point of Faith without which all is vaine 1. Cor. 15. is ascribed to their ignorance of the Scriptures for as yet saith their Bible they knew not the Scriptures The Israelites erring in heart so continually is ascribed to the want of knowledge in Gods wayes Psal 94 10 11. These alwaies erre in heart and these haue not knowne my Psal 95. wayes Secondly it telleth vs whence otherwise errors proceed from Philosophy vaine fallacie Col. 2. 9. from humane traditions Whence proceed errors Mark 7. 8. from pretended Apostolicall traditions Acts 15. 24. from pretended reuelations of the Spirit a feigned word and forged writings 2. Thes 2. 2. from Satans strange delusions in the Man of sinne and his followers 2. Thes 2. from lying signes and wonders seducing people Reuel 13. 13 14. 2. Thes 2. 9. from doctrines and commandements of men Col. 2. 22. from vnlearnednesse and vnstablenesse of mens owne selues 2. Pet. 2. 16. from false Teachers Act. 20. 29. Iude vers 4. 2. Pet. 2. 2. Tim. 3. 6. from mens giuing heed to Seducers 1. Tim. 4. 1. and such like meanes God giuing men ouer to beleeue lyes because such haue not a loue of the truth 2. Thes 2. 3. Their Bible cleareth Scriptures from being cause of error for it telleth vs that no lie is of the truth 1. Ioh. 2. 21. Now error in diuine matters is a lye the Scriptures are Gods Word inspired by the holy Ghost 2. Tim. 3. 16. Gods Word is truth Ioh. 17. 17. and therefore no error can arise from it and to reason from abuse to hinder the vse is absurd 4. It telleth vs that the holy Scriptures are the Rule of faith and life as before is prooued and therefore cannot be the cause of error 5. It pronounceth the Readers blessed Reu. 3. 3. How can this be if it breed errors in men 6. It telleth vs that by Scripture Christ confuted Satan the false doctrine of Scribes and Pharises the heresie of the Sadduces so did the Apostles the Iewes Act. 17. 2. and 18. 28. Therefore heresies are ouerthrowne by Scripture and get no ground at all from Scripture Contraried by Antiquitie Chrysost Hom. de Lazar. The ignorance of the Scriptures hath bred heresies In Hom. 58. on Iohn The Scriptures doe leade vs to God doe driue away heretickes and doe not suffer vs to goe out of the way Tertullian de resurr telleth vs that heretickes flie the light of the Scriptures Surely hereby its cleere then that this Father did not beleeue that the Scriptures would make heretikes S. Ierome in Esay c. 8. willeth vs in things doubtfull to haue recourse vnto the Scriptures to know the truth otherwise saith he ye shall not haue the light of truth but remaine euer in darknesse of error Therefore Scriptures expell the mist of errors and doe not breed them in the iudgement of Saint Ierome It is witnessed before by Augustine Chrysostome Tertullian Basil Ierome Gregory-Nyssen that the Scriptures are the sound Rule of Faith therefore cannot they be any ground for error Gainesaid by some of their owne Petrus de Aliaco saith The new Testament is the hammer that killeth all heresies the Lanterne that lighteneth vs. Gerson in tract de distinct The sacred Scriptures are the shop wherein is laid vp the royall stampe of spirituall coine if a penny differs from the stampe neuer so little vndoubtedly its counterfeit It is also witnessed before by Gregory Gerson Clemangis Aliacus Durand Mirandula Aquinas Ferus Villa-Vincentius the Canon law and by Bellarmine that the Scriptures are the Rule of Faith how can they then breed error Our Aduersaries haue here no Scripture against vs for indeed the Scripture speaketh for it selfe and not against it selfe But Papists will here say they meane that the Scriptures breed heresies when they are misunderstood or abused or not rightly interpreted Answ If thus they meane in good sooth 1. why blame they the Scriptures when the fault is in men and not in them 2. Why doe not they likewise so accuse all mens writings whose soeuer are not they subiect to be mis-conceiued misunderstood and peruerted 3. Why doe they in this respect feare the Scriptures to breed heresies more in the people then in the Priests Were Arius a Presbyter Macedonius a B. Pelag. a Monke and Eutyches an Abbat they of the Lay-people onely which were the Authors of former heresies or of the Clergie Was Arius was Macedonius was Eutyches Pelagius and other damnable first-broachers of heresies Lay-men No man saith Ierome can frame an heresie but he that is of excellent gifts Gerson and Aeneas Syluius doe De defect viror Eccles 48 Hist Austr 8 52. alleage the same saying of Saint Ierome That there neuer happened any notorious euill in the Church but Priests were the cause thereof Lastly by thus reasoning from the abuse either through ignorance or wilfulnesse in any thing we should disallow euerie thing we should not eate because some gluttonize at meate nor drinke wine nor strong drinke because some thereby become drunke nor weare costly apparell as men of place may because some grow thereby proud nor vse the Arte of Rhetorick because some men abuse it setting their tongues to sale nor Logick for that some peruert it from the right end to iangling Sophistrie Iesus Christ saw how Satan abused Scripture yet he did vse it and exhorted other to search the Scriptures This point of Poperie Christ then knew not nor any of his Apostles VII Proposition That the Scriptures cannot of themselues be knowne to be the Word of God vnlesse the Church doe giue witnesse vnto them that they are so Confuted by their owne Bible 1. IT plainely auoucheth the contrary 1. By teaching that Christs sheepe knew his voice Ioh. 10. 4. 2. That Christ hath promised that such as doe his will shall vnderstand all the doctrine whether it be of God Ioh. 7. 17. 3. That to his Disciples it is giuen to know the Mysteries of the kingdome of heauen Mat. 13. 11. Now the Scriptures inspired of God 2. Tim. 3. 16. are his voice are his doctrine and there are the Mysteries of the Kingdome of heauen euen that great Mysterie opened by the Scriptures Rom. 16. 26. in the Law and Prophets Acts 28. 23. Therefore if Christs sheepe and Disciples can know his Voyce his Doctrine and the Mysteries of the Kingdome of Heauen then they can know the Scriptures to be the Scriptures of God II. It telleth vs by whom and by what we haue this knowledge 1. By the Spirit of God for what things God hath prepared for them that loue him hath he reuealed to vs by his Spirit which we haue receiued that we may know the things that of God are giuen vnto vs 1. Cor. 2. 9. 10 12. Now the Scriptures
come to them and blesse them Chap. 20. 24. to be high aboue all Nations to praise name and honour to be a holy people Deut. 26. 19. to circumcise their heart and the heart of their seed to loue him with all their heart and soule Deut. 30. 6. to be with them not to leaue them nor forsake them Deut. 31. 8. yea he promised that no new god should be among Psal 81. 9. them nor they to adore a strange god Psal 80. 10. Mount Sion was not to be remoued but to abide for euer and peace to be on Israel Psal 105. 1. whom he would redeeme from all Psal 1â—â— 1. Psal 13â— 8. Psal 132. 13 14 iniquities Psal 129. 8. He chose Sion and that to be his rest for 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Psal 13â— 13 14. their way was to be the way of Holinesse and so direct that fooles should not erre by it Esay 35. 8. and such as erred in the Spirit should know vnderstanding the mutterer should learne the Law Esa 29 24. and they should haue Pastors according to the Lords owne heart which should feed them with knowledge and doctrine Ier. 3. 15. To conclude Israel had a promise to be saued with eternall saluation they should not be confounded and ashamed for euer and euer Esay 45. 17. yea that we may know that the promises were not to the people then liuing onely the Lord saith I will powre out my Spirit vpon their seede and my blessing vpon thy stocke Esay 44. 3. and touching the Temple thus saith God to Salomon I haue sanctified this House to put my Name there for euer and mine eyes and my heart shall be there 1. King 9. 3. alwayes 3. Kin. 9. 3. Yet for all these so gracious promises she erred she hath fallen away and remaineth in her sinnes We haue heard out of their owne Bible First how the Churches defection hath beene foretold Secondly how she also hath beene found guiltie Thirdly the same proued by Historie of the Bible from the beginning in Adam and Eue till Christ though the Church of Israel had admirable meanes to vphold it to which I do adde this last From Christs comming till Iohns being in Pathmos In this space we may finde errours in the Church The Apostles themselues before Christs Ascension were in an error touching Christ his Kingdome dreaming of a temporall kingdome Act. 1. 6. Luk. 24. 21. of restoring the kingdome to Israel and redeeming them so as they did striue among themselues which of them should be greatest Luk 22. 24. and hereupon it was that the mother of Zebedees children desired of him for her sonnes that one might sit in his Kingdome on the right hand and the other on the left Mat. 20. 20 21. Their knowledge was very imperfect for it is said often that they vnderstood not many things Mat 15. 16. Luk. 9. 45. and 10. 34. Ioh. 12. 16. and 29. yea so slow of heart and dull of hearing they were that Christ telleth them that he had many things to say to them but that then they were not able to beare theÌ„ Ioh. 16. 12. their faith was verie weake as appeareth by his calling of them Ye of little faith Mat. 8. 26 and 16. 8. Slow of heart to beleeue what the Prophets had spoken Luk. 24. 25. Also by their forsaking him and flying from him when he was taken Mat. 26 56. After Christs Ascension and the comming downe of the holy Ghost they were ignorant for a time in this that they did not thinke it was lawfull to go to the Gentiles as we may see in Peter Act. 10 15. 20. and the other Iewes vers 45. compared with Cap. 11. 2 3 18 19. The Churches of Galatia erred so as S. Paul said that he feared lest hee had laboured in vaine Gal. 4. 11. I neede not here speake of errors and Heresies creeping in troubling the Church and deceiuing many as in Act. 15. 2. 1. Tim 1. 3 6 7 19. 20. 2. Tim 2. 18 19. 1. Cor. 15. 12. Ephesus fell from her first loue Reu. 2. 4 Pergamus had in her such as vpheld the doctrine of Balaam and of the Nicolaitans Reu. 2 14. Thyatira tolerated Iezabel to reach and seduce Christs seruants Reu. 2. 20. Sardis was an hypocriticall Church and in a dying condition and Laodicea luke-warme rich in conceit but miserable naked blinde and poore in condition Reu. 3. 2 16 17. S. Paul telleth Timothy that all that were in Asia were departed from him 2. Tim. 1. 15. Thus was the Churches state euen in the Apostles dayes By which we may see the Church subiect to erre and to hold the contrary that she cannot erre Antiquitie is against Contraried by Antiquitie Origen Hom. 6. in Ezek. The Citie of God as long as she erreth not or doth not sinne hath God to her Father but when she beginneth to erre her father is an Amorite and her mother an Hittite he then thought she might erre Ierome complaineth in Dialog aduers Lucifer That the whole world groaned and wondered to see it selfe Arian Did not he thinke then that the Church might erre Aug. lib. 2. cap 18. Retract speaking of the Church on earth saith that by reason of ignorance and infirmities of her members the whole Church hath cause to say euery day Forgiue vs our trespasses Basil epist 70. telleth vs that Satan had in his time begun to sow the seedes of Apostasie in those places where the Gospell of the Kingdome first arose vp striuing to spread it into the whole World He speakes of Apostasie which is more then erring What meant Hilarie cont Auxentium when he said The Church is lost and wee are fallen into the time of Antichrist whose ministers do transforme themselues into Angels of light without all feeling or conscience of Christ Vincent Lvren aduers profan Nou. ca. 4. hath said that not only some portion of the Church but the whole Church it selfe is blotted with some new contagion Gainesaid by some of their owne Pope Innocent saith in the Canon Law The Churches Iudgement Decret Greg. li. 3. de sent excom ca. 28. A nobis est saepe Super 5. de sent excom Anobis 2. oftentimes followeth opinion which many times falleth out both to deceiue vs and to be deceiued it selfe Panormitan thus writeth A generall Councell representing the whole Church may erre in excommunicating him that should not bee excommunicate If in a matter of this nature where proofes may bee brought before sentence pronounced how much more in points of a higher nature without the Scripture for the guide A generall Councell is called the whole Church representadue If therfore this erre theÌ„ may the Church erre for how can the Churches voyce else be heard except in Can. 6. the Scriptures But by their owne confession generall Councels haue erred for the first Councell at Nice of 318. Bishops made the Bishop of Romes gouernment no more then that of Alexandria That at Ephesus of 200.
Augustine speakes Secondly as Lyra thinkes it is so called for that the Church doth maintaine the truth of the Gospell euen in the greatest persecutions and as other iudge for that it vpholdeth the truth that it may not fall to the ground though it be afflicted and because by words and examples it confirmes our Faith Thirdly the Apostle speakes according to the vse of pillars in old time among the Gentiles on which their Lawes written in Tables were hanged vp for people to reade yea some wrote the Lawes vpon pillars themselues So as the Church here is resembled to those pillars which hath the Bookes of holy Lawes to shew them and to vphold them and to exhibite them out vnto all to bee seene and read Secondly because Saint Peter was counted a Pillar Gal. 2 9. and yet he erred euen in not walking according to the truth of the Gospell vers 14. Thirdly because Saint Paul calleth so the Church at Ephesus then as she was and so long to be so esteemed as she should continue Thus Saint Paul to the Hebrewes telleth them that they with himselfe and others are the House of Christ if saith he we hold fast the confidence and the reioycing of the hope firme vnto the end implying that if they did not they should not be so Can any well conclude from that which one is at the present that he shall euer be the same Then had not our first Parents fallen nor Salomon been an Idolater nor the Israelites now none of Gods people nor Rome as she is spirituall Babylon Fourthly because not the name and title of the House of God it self by which name the Church is called here in 1. Tim. 3. 15. as also beleeuers are called by the name of the houshold of God Ephes 2. 19. will afford this their conclusion For the Church of Ephesus so called did erre Now may it not be inferred from hence that she is called the House and beleeuers the Houshold and may it be inferred because she is called a pillar only or stay to vphold the house Will not the whole house nor the household yeeld it And will a pillar or prop make it good Very vnlikely Fifthly it is onely vpon the praise giuen to the Church that this conclusion is made Is this then good arguing Whatsoeuer prayses the Church hath that for which or wherein shee is praysed she hath it in perfection Here she is called the pillar and ground of truth Ergo say they she cannot erre See the like reasoning She is the houshold of Faith Gal. 6. 10. Ergo she neuer hath any doubting Yet this they deny and hold here to haue no certaine assurance Lastly consider the truth of which shee is the pillar and ground * On this place Ioh. 5. 23 Oecumenius vnderstands it in opposition to the shaddowes in the Temple vnder the Law there the type here the truth there the shadow here the substance But the Temple was onely the pillar and ground that is the appointed place where the knowledge and vse of the Ceremoniall Law was had and vpheld so onely is now the Church the place where the diuine truth is to be found and is in practice and no where else Truth in Scripture is taken for the Word of God Ioh. 17. 17. and 8. 31 32. the Gospell the Word of truth Col. 1. 5. Gal. 5. 7. euen the Mystery of godlinesse as Saint Paul in this place of the 1. Tim. 3. 16. enterpreteth the Word Truth So then the Church of God is the pillar and ground or stay of Gods Word and his Gospell euen the mysterie of godlinesse This she receiueth keepeth beareth vp publisheth to the world and is the ground whereon it doth rest and no where else in the world What then Is she or it the Rule Is her authoritie aboue it or it aboue her The King committeth to some the publike Records to keepe and to publish to other Is their authoritie greater then these Are their words of force without the warrant of those Records Or is it not possible for these keepers of them to erre in their proceedings We know the contrary The Iewes had the Oracles of God committed to them Rom. 3. 2. but haue not they erred The Church of Corinth Ephesus Galatia Philippi Colosse Thessalonica Hebrewes and other Churches in the East had the new Testament committed to them yet haue they we see erred So hath the Church of Rome very shamefully as the Epistle written to them doth testifie if her now new doctrine be examined by it The Church therefore the visible mixt company of whom all our dispute is may erre XIII Proposition That the Church of Rome cannot erre Confuted by their owne Bible I. IN it we reade that shee is in particular forewarned to take heed of falling Rom. 11. 20. which admonition proueth her possibilitie of erring II. It foretelleth of her Apostasie Yea this Church which See his Maiesties broke and Bishop Downham de Antichristo Respons eius ad â—essiam de Anticâ—r they say cannot erre and whereof the Pope is Head is called the great Whore named Babylon drunken with the Saints blood sitting vpon the Beast with seuen heads hauing ten hornes expounded by their owne Bible to be Rome Reuel 17. 1. 5 6. the great Citie situate vpon seuen Hills and which in Iohns dayes reigned ouer the Kings of the earth vers 9 18. III. Their Bible telleth vs that there were begun in her vncharitable disputations about eating and not eating of some things about obseruation of dayes Rom. 14. men for these things condemning and despising one another There were such then as were authors of diuisions and scandals contrary to the doctrine which the Saints then had learned Rom. 16. 17. so that a defection was then breeding and a beginning to erre from the Apostles doctrine in his dayes IV. The Epistle of Saint Paul written vnto them sheweth that she hath erred for his and her doctrine are at odds in many things as for example in these for instance The Romish Church Saint Paul She calleth not her selfe A Church but The Church and is euer boasting of that name Hee neuer calleth them at Rome then The Church as in other Epistles he vseth to call others the Corinthians Galatians Ephesians Reuel 2. 1. c. a point for Papists to note and to obserue why this title is not giuen her She saith that God may be represented like an old man He teacheth it to be a Heathenish practice for which God plagued them Rom. 1. 23. She teacheth that all sins deserue not death but in themselues many are veniall He nameth 23. sinnes Rom. 1. 29 30 31. worthy of death not for the Act but for the consent of heart vers 32. and Rom. 6. 23. He saith that the stipend of sinne is death he excepteth none She teacheth that the Virgin Marie was without sinne He teacheth otherwise All to be vnder sinne Rom. 3. 9. All to haue
we doe and all that we can doe both for the beginning for the increase and for the continuance By which we may see how that it is Gods preuenting grace that brings vs to him and his grace also that confirmeth increaseth and preserueth vs vnto the end This also their Bible teacheth and sheweth how mercifully God preuenteth vs in all things that no man might glory in himselfe but hee that glorieth should glory in the Lord Ier. 9. 23 24. First God before such men haue any being as haue free-will in spirituall things chooses and predestinates them in Christ to be holy and blamelesse Ephes 1. 4. and preordinates them to beleeue and to haue eternall life Act. 13. 48. So as the ground of their saluation is farre before their will Secondly hauing thus chosen them he findeth them when they neither seeke nor aske after him Rom. 10. 20. they are his worke Ephes 2. 10. made anew they haue a new birth Iam. 1. 18. being borne of God Ioh. 1. 13. and of the Spirit Ioh. 3. 5 8. by the immortall seed of the Word 1. Pet. 1. 23. Hee takes away vnwillingnesse and the stony heart and giues them a will Phil. 2. 23. euen a heart of flesh to doe his will Ezek. 11. 19 20. and puts also into them a new heart and a new Spirit Ezek. 36. 26. so is the new man created in iustice and in the holinesse of the truth Ephes 4. 24. Thus God in mercie preuents mans will Thirdly Man being thus begotten thus borne and made anew the Lord quickneth him Rom. 8. 11. Ephes 2. 5. and giueth him spirituall life Ioh. 5. 21. 1. Cor. 15. 45. For now hee liueth yet not he but Christ liueth in him as the Apostle speaketh Gal. 2. 20. still preuenting mans will Fourthly when God of a dead man hath made him aliue and raised him vp againe Col. 2. 12. then he openeth his vnderstanding to vnderstand the Scriptures Luk. 24. 45. openeth his eyes Psal 118. 18. Esai 35. 5. and 42. 7. his eares Esa 50. 5. Iob Psal 119. 18. Psal 51. 17. 33. 16. his lips Psal 50. 17. his heart to attend to the Word Act. 16. 14. In whose heart God now so shineth as when hee commanded light to shine out of darknesse 2. Cor. 4. 6. and setteth them free Ioh. 3. 37. still in mercy preuenting mans will Fifthly thus God maketh way for himselfe opening mans vnderstanding eyes eares lips and heart he draweth vs vnto him Ioh. 6. 44. and giueth his lawes into our hearts and subscribeth them in our minds Heb. 10. 16. Hee giueth vs diuine graces spirituall wisedome Ephes 1. 17. the knowledge of the mysteries of the Kingdome of heauen Matth. 13. 11. Faith Ephes 2. 8. Phil. 1. 29. Loue 1. Ioh. 4. 20. Feare Ier. 32. 40. Repentance 2. Tim. 2. 25. Act. 5. 31. and 11. 18. and the Spirit to know the things that are giuen vs of God reuealing vnto vs that which no eye can see no eare can heare no heart conceiue of 1. Cor. 2. 9 10 12. Doth not God then by his grace preuent our will Sixtly after his thus furnishing vs with heauenly indowments Ezek. 16. 9 13. hauing wrought in vs the will that we may be imployed in his seruice he worketh also in vs the deed Phil. 2. 13. hee teacheth vs to pray Rom. 8. 26. powring out the Spirit of grace and prayer Zach. 12. 10. Hee maketh vs to walke in his precepts and to keepe his iudgements Ezek. Deut. 8. 18. 2. Cor. 9. 9 11. 11. 20. and it is of him that men haue great substance a Chron. 32. 29. 1. Chro. 29. 16. and of him it is that they bestow of it liberally verse 14. yea if any doe suffer for his name this is also the gift of God Phil. 2. 29. Seuenthly that all our sufficiencie may be knowne to bee of God their Bible telleth vs in general that of him are all things Rom. 11. 36. that euery best gift and euery perfect gift is from aboue Iam. 1. 17. that he beginneth the worke Phil. 1. 6. that it is he also that increaseth 1. Cor. 3. 7. Ephes 2. 21. Col. 2. 19. perfecteth Phil. 1. 6. Psal 138. 8. strengtheneth and confirmeth Rom. 16. 25. 1. Cor. 1. 8. and keepeth vs 1. Pet. 1. 5. so that none shall plucke vs out of his hand Ioh. 10. 28. and putteth his feare into our hearts that we shall not depart from him Ier. 32. 40. concluding that all our sufficiencie is of God 2. Cor. 3. 5. and that it is hee that hath wrought all our workes in vs Esai 26. 12. Lastly to all these reasons I may adde these fiue following First Gods promising of his heauenly gifts and graces as shewing men to be without them till they receiue them from him such are those in Ezek. 11. 19. Ier. 32. 39 40. 31. 33 34. 24. 7. Secondly the prayers made vnto God to conuert men Ier. Psal 119. 36. 31. 18. to fit them in all goodnesse to doe his will Heb. 13. 21. to sanctifie and preserue them without blame 1. Thes 5. 23. doe shew that the power is from God and not in man Thirdly the godly acknowledging their preseruation from falling to be of God Psal 115. 8. and 36. 24. and that it is hee Psal 116. 8. Psal 37. 24. Psal 145. 14. that lifteth them vp being fallen Psal 144. 14. they attribute nothing to their owne power Fourthly the Apostles giuing God thankes for mens obedience Rom. 6. 17. for their faith hope loue Col. 1. 3 4 5. for their deliuerence frō the power of darknes for translating them into the kingdome of his Sonne Col. 1. 13. for the increase of faith and charitie 1. Thes 1. 3. for blessing them with spirituall blessings Ephes 1. 3. By all which God is made the Author and Giuer and we onely the Receiuers thereof when hee hath made vs willing thereto For a man can receiue nothing vnlesse it be giuen him from heauen Ioh. 3. 27. The last is that the Scripture telleth vs how the Lord preuenteth the pride of mans heart that hee might not ascribe power to himselfe Deut. 8. 7. Hee had mercy on thee lest thou shouldst say in thy heart Mine owne force and the strength of mine owne hand hath atchieued all these things for me Ephes 2. 8 9. Wee are saued by grace not of workes lest any man should boast himselfe We are not wee see to boast of our owne strength nor to ascribe any thing to our selues but remember Gods mercy that hee which doth glory may glory in the Lord 1. Cor. 1. 31. 2. Cor. 10. 17. For of him and by him and in him are all things to him be therefore glory for euer Amen Rom. 11. 36. Contraried by Antiquitie Austin in Enchir. ad Laurent cap. 30. No man can beleeue hope and loue vnlesse hee will but euen the selfe-same will to beleeue hope and loue commeth not but from God De gra
whom these words were spoken should teach and the people heare from them should be taken as Christ speaking in them but with condition as they should teach what he charged them to teach For the Apostles had their lesson giuen them to teach whatsoeuer Christ commanded them Mat. 28. 20. And these seuenty were taught what to doe and say Luk. 10. 3 12. which they obseruing Christ was heard in them So the meaning is Hee that heareth you deliuering my message and teaching what I command heareth me as if I were there in very person and he that shall despise you so discharging your duty despiseth mee and him that sent mee euen God himselfe as also Saint Paul speaketh 1. Thes 4. 8. For albeit the Apostles had an vnâ—rring Spirit assisting them in the Ministery Mat. 10. 20. Mar. 13. 11. Iohn 16. 13. of whom these words may bee taken absolutely yet of all other succeeding they are to be vnderstood with the former limitation Else why are we allowed yea charged not to beleeue euery spirit but to trie the spirits 1. Ioh. 4. 1. to trie all things 1. Thes 5 And why are the Bereans who not knowing Pauls Apostolicall function but taking him as a Teacher as other were commended as Bellarmine confesseth l. 1. de Verbo Dei for searching the Scriptures and left as an example for vs to follow Act. 17. 11. if the Teacher were to be credited in euery thing he should speake Mat. 16. 19. Whatsoeuer thou shalt binde in earth shall be bound in heauen c. Answ This is to be done by the Keyes which Christ gaue him as the words before going shew I will giue thee the keyes of the Kingdome of Heauen then followeth whatsoeuer thou shalt binde c. to wit by these keyes of Christ Not then by his owne power and will as himselfe pleaseth but as those keyes doe helpe him to open and shut to bind and loose by and with the authority of these keyes must hee proceede and not otherwise Now let vs see what these keyes be by which hee openeth and shutteth byndeth and looseth forgiueth and retaineth sins These Keyes are these two Christs Word and Christs Spirit Mat 18. 18. Ioh. 20. 23. which I thus proue 1. For that in this Text is a promise of giuing the keyes I will giue the keyes c. Now seeing that here they are not giuen but promised let vs see what Christ gaue to Peter and other the Apostles and we shall finde that he gaue them two things his Word which hee calleth the words of his Father and the Word of reconciliation which he put in them and they receiued Ioh. 17. 8. 2. Cor. 5. 19. and his Spirit Ioh. 20. 22. which they also receiued when he said Receiue ye the holy Ghost breathing on them These are the two things which we finde that he gaue them therefore they are either the keyes or inseparable companions of the keyes 2. Christ in Ioh. 20. 21. saith As my Father hath sent me so I also send you so in Chap. 17. 18. But with these two did his Father send him with his Word Ioh. 7. 16. and 8. 26 28 38. and with his Spirit Luk. 4. 18. Mat. 3. 16. Esay 11. 2. and 42. 1. and 61. 1 2. Therefore these two are the keyes Keyes are by Bellarmines interpretation here taken for great authoritie and power as in Esay 22. 22. in Eliakim shadowing the great power and authoritie in Christ Reuel 3. 7. exercised in his Church But what greater power and authority then his Word and Spirit can there be in Christ his Church whatsoeuer it be it is comprehended in these two Therefore these be the keyes 4. He speakes of keyes as of moe then one linked together so that they are giuen as inseparable and so these two be For the Spirit teacheth the Word of Christ Ioh. 16. 13. and 14. 26. and the Word is with the Spirit Esay 59. 21. these two keyes are tyed together and giuen by Christ 5. The keyes promised here are the keyes of the Kingdome of Heauen In this spirituall Kingdome by these to beare rule by these to bind and loose in earth is so verily and as surely done in heauen For what in this Kingdome here can beare Rule but his Word and his Spirit What truly can bind and loose in heauen but these We may be assured that what the Word and Spirit of God bindeth they are bound indeed and what these loose remit and forgiue they are loosed remitted and forgiuen of God in heauen of no other keyes can we be so assured hereof These then are the keyes here promised to Peter and were giuen to all the Apostles and to the true Church of God This place therefore helpeth nothing our Aduersaries who boast of an vnerring spirit leading the Pope and his Prelates into all truth if they bragge of this key let them shew vs the other the Word of God and the same written now in the Scriptures or else their boasting is in vaine and their binding and loosing of no force Deut. 17. 8. If there arise a matter c. Answ This place is for vs and against them for here iudgement must be giuen not as men thinke out of their own braine but saith the text according to their owne translation Thou See also Ezec. 44. 24. shalt doe whatsoeuer they that are Presidents of the place which our Lord shall choose shall say and teach thee according to his Law now that Law was written 2. Chro. 17. 9. This is it then we desire that the truth of iudgement may be from the written Word of God which this place approueth yet though they produce it and vrge it so often neuerthelesse it speakes not of the necessary points of faith but of controuersies in matters of another nature as the eighth verse plainely sheweth Hag. 2. 12. Thus saith the Lord of hostes Aske the Priests the Law Answ This place is also for vs and against themselues for what were the Priests to be asked what their owne opinion and iudgement No but they were to bee asked the Law that is the Law written and according to which they did answere in vers 13. 4. We teach that Pastors are to bee heard speaking to vs out of the Word written and accordingly as it teacheth them to speake wee must obey with all reuerence 2. Chro. 19. 8 18. Moreouer in Ierusalem did Iehosaphat set of the Leuites c. Answ It is one with that in Deut. 17. 8. and here contrary to the Popish practice the Priests and Leuites were subiect to Iehosaphat the King who had an inspection ouer them and gaue them a charge so 2. Chron. 17. 7 8. 2. Thes 2 15. Stand fast and hold the tradition c. This place is answered fully and at large before in handling the former question Mal. 2. 7. For the lips of the Priest shall keepe knowledge and the Law shall they require of his mouth Answ 1.
This place proueth not that the Priests lips euer did keepe knowledge though it be thus read in a Cōmandement but teacheth what his duty was to doe For the next verse following telleth vs what the priests then were But you haue departed out of the way and haue scandalized many in the Law Vers 8. Therefore he made them contemptible and base vers 9. 2. This text maketh for euery Priest without exception but will they haue euery Priest in his teaching to be without error and his word the rule of faith 3. This telleth vs what the people are to seeke for to wit the Law but this as before is proued was written X. Proposition That the Church is no where in Scriptures taken for the inuisible Church Confuted by their owne Bible Heb. 12. 23. ANd the Church of the first borne which are written in Heauen which in the former vers 22. he calleth Mount Sion the city of the liuing God heauenly Ierusalem and the assembly of many thousand angels Is this the visible or inuisible church doth mans eye looke vpon this heauenly company Reu. 14. 1 3. There is the Lambe with his company redeemed from the earth vpon Mount Sion hauing his Fathers Name written in their foreheads Mat. 16. 18. Rom. 8. 29. Eph. 1 22. and 5. 23 32. Col. 1. 18. 1 Pet. 2. 5. Reuel 21. 10 In which places is to be vnderstood the inuisible Church and wheresoeuer it is vnderstood of the mysticall body of Christ it is there the inuisible Church Contraried by Antiquitie The Ancient Fathers found in Scripture an inuisible Church Saint Augustine in Psal 92. concion 2. part 2. of the same Psalme maketh onely the elect from Abel to the worlds end to be the Church this Church is inuisible to man Saint Cyprian saith in Epist 55. That those are the Church which abide in the house of God But can man see who will abide therein Origen in Math. 16. 18. vnderstandeth the Church of such as fall not away but doe ouercome and are not ouercome of those gates of hell but such are knowne onely to God and not discerneable by men nor seene with bodily eyes Saint Gregory in Hom. 19. in Euang. calleth the Catholike Church the Lords Vineyard from iust Abel to the last of the elect in the end of the world Doth Gregory vnderstand this of the visible Church What mortall eye can see this Church of the Elect On Iob cap. 9. in l. moral 35. Hee writeth that Christ and the Church the Head and the Body are one person But who euer saw this with his eyes Gregory therefore found in the Scripture an inuisible Vineyard and Church of Christ Gainesaid by their owne men Caietan taketh that of Mat. 16. 18. for the congregation of the faithful Ferus expoundeth it of the Elect now the Elect are visible to the eye Our Aduersaries alleadge many places to proue the Church most properly to bee called visible as Num. 20. 4. 1. King 8. 14. Act. 20. 28. and 15. 3 4. and 18. 22. and many other Scriptures Answ 1. All these are of particular visible Churches and not vnderstood of the Catholike the former we affirme to be visible but not this 1. The places contradict not this which we hold that the Church somewhere in holy Scriptures is taken for the inuisible Church which they by bringing places to proue a visible Church doe not gainesay XI Proposition That the Church is euer gloriously conspicuous to the world What wee meane when we say that the Church is sometime hidden WHen we speake of an inuisible Church we meane the Church Catholicke in our Creede which we doe beleeue and doe not see nor can see for faith is the ground and euidence of things not seene Heb. 11. 1. also faith and sight are opposed 2. Cor. 5. 7. but wee onely beleeue the Catholicke Church as in our Creed we confesse and therefore is it inuisisible partly in heauen triumphing partly here on earth militant knowne onely to God 2. Tim. 2. 19. and not discerned of men because they be only the Elect of God This is the Church spoken of Heb. 12. 22 23 24. Rom. 2. 28 29. Mat. 16. 18. Eph. 1. 22. and 5. 23. Col. 1. 18. and the hidden ones Psal 83. 3. Besides this Catholicke we hold also a particular Church visible For beginning in Paradise we may finde such a visible Church till the flood from thence to Moses from him vnder whom it mightily increased into thousands of families till the same was planted in Canaan where it became a Nationall Church and neuer wanted some degree of visibility in more or fewer of the members thereof vnto the comming of Christ who taught the people and gathered Disciples which professed him and after his Ascension were the first of those which after were called Christians all being then together in Ierusalem for a time and the only visible Church of Christ vpon earth which visible Church through persecution began to be scattered abroad and the Apostles and Teachers being also dispersed this one Apostolicall Church spred farre and wide into the world neuer being any more entire at once in one place as before it had beene in Ierusalem but from that time to this day hath beene and is in seuerall Congregations which are called Churches euery one bearing the denomination of the whole because all of them doe make but one Church as also for that euery one of them should liuely represent that first Church in Ierusalem from whence these other came into the world in doctrine of the Apostles fellowship Sacraments and prayer with one accord Act. 2. 42 46. This Church taken in a generall notion for all those that professe Christ any where in any sort hath euer beene visible in the world also to the world to Iewes Turks and Pagans But thus taken in so superficiall bare and naked apprehension it comprehendeth all sorts of Assemblies professing Christ whether purely or impurely Orthodoxally or Heretically vniformely or Schismatically and so hath seuerall names Sometimes taken from the City where such Assemblies be as the Church of Ierusalem Antioch Corinth Ephesus Philippi Thessalonica and Colosse Sometime according to the Countries as the Churches of Galatia So we say now The Church of France of England Scotland Sometime from the Sect-Masters names as Arians Macedonians Eutychians Nestorians Donatists as now Brownists Separatists c. Sometime from the People according to their Countrey where they were borne though dwelling elsewhere as wee haue here in London and some other coasts of England the Dutch the French and Italian Churches Sometime from the Coasts as the East and West Church Sometime from the Language vsed in the publike worship as the Greeke Church and the Latine Church Sometimes from the opinions held as Anabaptists Vbiquitaries and Familists And thus come we and our Aduersaries to be diuersly named though we be all in generall called Christians yet wee call them that are yoaked vnder the B.