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A41334	A sober reply to the sober answer of Reverend Mr. Cawdrey, to A serious question propounded viz. whether the ministers of England are bound by the word of God to baptise the children of all such parents, which say they believe in Jesus Christ, but are grosly ignorant, scandalous in their conversations, scoffers at godliness, and refuse to submit to church dicipline ... : also, the question of Reverend Mr. Hooker concerning the baptisme of infants : with a post-script to Reverend Mr. Blake / by G.I. Firmin ...	Firmin, Giles, 1614-1697.; Hooker, Thomas, 1586-1647. Covenant of grace opened.	1653 (1653)	Wing F966; ESTC R16401	67,656	64

as such ought to do they were to looks after them reforme or cast out but in so doing they saved other Ordinances as well as this But we have a notion taken up as if Discipline were appointed onely to save the Lords Supper from being prophaned and no other Ordinance Will the 44 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 9 prove it I pray prove that Sanctuary there mentioned meanes only the Lords Supper that Sanctuary and Lords Supper are 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 those who interpret they ought to prove their interpretation which you must clear to make your answer good in P. 26. Will 1 Cor. 4.2 prove it Stewards must be faithfull this must be only in the Lords Supper Will Mat. 7.6 prove it Holy things must not be given to Dogs De Bapt. Tertullian applies this Text to the Administration of Baptisme as well as to the Supper And if it must be at the first then why not as well when it comes to be administred by vertue of one who is a Dog The word I love not to use in respect of others knowing my wicked heart there may be many who are Church-members by reason of Toleration onely and that Toleration its doubted if it be not sinful who yet are such Dogs as that Text mentions and upon this Notion Ministers have before excluded them from the Supper Your selfe speake to this purpose Diatar Page 184. 3. One Argument more to prove though such may challenge by reason of my Toleration yet I am not bound to give 3. Argument and here I will give examples of of what I have found and know concerning ignorance then draw up my Argument In my owne Parish I was questioning with one about his estate hee had lived long in Essex that which the Man builded upon was this said he I have been no Drunkard and I Repent What it was to Repene he could not tell but then I enquired what knowledge he had of Christ The Man I perceived knew nothing of him but when I told him how Christ was God-man sent to fulfill the Law to die to make satisfaction to Divine Justice and such ordinary plaine things The Man wondered to heare such things in so much indeed that I could not but wonder my selfe that a man should live above 50 years in such a place as Essex is and not know these plaine things Another was asked what Christ was the man could give him no answer to help him he was asked againe whether he were a God or a Man he answered plainely hee could not tell but said he thought he was a Spirit This is an Observation that I have made because Mr. Gaw sayes we are all Christians P. 4. when I have beene discoursing with people about their conditions they will tell me stories of what they have not been and some other silly matters but for Christ not one word of him unlesse when I have put it upon them what is Christ nothing then they will tell me yes they must believe in Christ God forbid the contrary but to know Christ and what it is to believe in him alas they are far short of this And this is not onely my observation but a godly Minister in Northamptonshire told mee the very same thing he observed in his Parish not one word of Christ till he put it into their minds then having taken up Christ by Tradition they must say something But for the Covenant of Grace which Baptisme respects also that is the strangest thing to people they know not what it meanes For Sin people have a Tradition that there is that which people call Sin but for themselves to be guilty of any particular sinne I have beene forced to run over the Commandements open them and tell them how my self have been guilty and yet could I scarce convince some they were guilty only all are sinnes and so are they A godly friend of mine told me he asked a Woman that was talking with him what shee had for Heaven shee answered him roundly she had never effended God in all her Life yet shee was above 50 yeares of Age. Another told him she had kept all the Commandements shee was not so old indeed but he had much a doe to convince her she had broke one yet these persons lived where there had been excellent Preaching Another comming to a neere friend of mine to have his Child Baptized he asked him why he would have it Baptized he answered because others had the asked him what good it would do his Child he answered As much as heretofore Another came to him he asked him how many Gods there were he answered Ten supposing he mistooke himselfe for the Commandements he asked him how many Commandements there were he answered Two he asked him which was the first he answered Salvation the second I know not what it was the Man professed he did answer as well as he could I thinke you are not much better in Northhamptonshire for a godly Minister told me of one in his Parish that had a Prayer but I think there was never such a one heard before this sentence was often repeated And Jesus was Her Name These instances have been since our Reformation began and if Ministers should search all certaintly we should be amazed to heare the Answers Now Sir I apply this you say all these are Church-Members tolerated they can therefore challenge Baptisme and because their Toleration give them a Right Therefore the word bindes me to Baptize their Childen But Sir may I not better put these off for a time untill by Catechizing of them they come to understand Sinne Christ and the Covenant of Grace the word saith Teach and Baptize yea say you at the first constitution but if we finde such persons as you call Members continued in constituted Churches that are ignorant in the knowledge of Sin Covenant of Grace yea and of Christ save onely they have taken up such a Name that there is one Christ and the Nation receives him as are the very Heathen nay for sin the Heathen know more is there not as much and more reason to Teach these before I will Baptize by vertue of them let the Reader judge Am I bound to Baptize a Child presently so soon as it is brought They make nothing to keepe Children a fortnight a moneth yea more according as their occasions are before they will offer them to Baptisme may not I th●n finding the Parents unfit delay if it be two moneths till they are taught before I will Baptize What is the danger where is the Rule broken where am I tyed to Baptize one so soone as offered though never so unfit the eight day that was set for Circumcision concernes not us we can Baptize before if we will So for Scandall if uncleane persons shall bring their Bastards the Ranters or who you will must I presently Baptize because you say a Church member tolerated will challenge a right to the Ordinance shall I not first require

having a legall worke by the power of the Word Thirdly Receiving the Word Fourthly Repenting they are Baptized this is more still 3. Acts Though there is not mention made of the Samaritans repentance who were Apostatized from the Jews but laid claime to the Pania●ks Jo. 4.20 expected Christ v. 25. worshipped God Ezva 4.2 Yet that Philip should know them to be so abominable in conversation and yet Baptize them that is to be proved since that others required repentance I believe there was a more then ordinary presence at that time to enlighten so to aw their hearts the same answer we may give for these that Augustin doth for the Eunuch Bapt●zavit cum Philippus intelligi voluis impleta omnia quae licet tacean●●r in Scripturis gratia brevitat●●●amen scrie traditionis sci●us implenda Irenaeus and Tertullian have said enough for the Eunuch besides Augustin Ubi prius c. 9. and the Text is plaine If this be not a giving Holy things to Dogs which Tertullian and Augustine give warning of even in Baptizing I know not what is Let a man be a notorious Ranter Sodomite Scoffer at Godlinesse Drunkard no matter what this is known and proved yet a Christian nomine tenus Therefore you must Baptize him That Repentance as well as Faith was looked to in Baptizing it appeares by the ages following the Apostles for those who would live in their lusts they deferred their ●aptisme knowing what that required So a De toenit Tertullian and b Ora. 40. Nazianzen intimate who exhort them to confession of their sinne from the example of John Just Mart. Apol. 2. is cleare for more then you mention For the Cate humeni they were strict we see Concil Neocas Can. 5. Concil Ni● Can. 13. Concil Elib Can. 42. a good conversation they required thou● for their long deferring I approve not that Believer and Saint you say are S●nonoma's Dr. Ames gives the reason which will not help you sir Medul Theo. c. 32. 〈◊〉 For the ill Members in Gorinth and Sardi● 1. Sir you must prove the Apostles knew them to be such when they admitted them and Baptized them that they wallowed in their filth 2. That the Churches were not too blame in letting them alone 3. To have a Name to live is more then you speake of For ignorance you quote the Hebrews which I thinke hurts not me that of 1 Cor. 15.34 Is the most likely but sir do you thinke it was such grosse ignorance as I have given instance was not Paul as true to his worke as Abraham or the Jews were to be in admitting to circumcision which you mention Page 445. I have found so much ignorance that the persons deserved shame but yet dared not keepe from the Lords Supper because I found such a worke on the heart which showed they had the thing though could not expresse the thing in a definition For the * Lord. min J●● Div. Page 115. 〈◊〉 and others Gilles Aar rod. Page 482 154 515 544 555. To. 4. disp 4. q 3 p. 3. Presbyterians they have delivered their mind otherwise the Fathers Councells and Schoolemen are of another Opinion as appeares by Grug de val but I quote no more then I have read I hope then you will pardon me though I differ For your Answers to my Arguments Your distinction of the word Sains I accept and doubt not but your eyes are so good that you can see a difference betweene a man who is but nomine ten●● a Christian and wallowes in his filth and another who walkes outwardly like a Saint though hee have not the reall qualifications of a Saint The second Argument must cost you two lines more before it be answered If a man be but Nomine tenus a Christian though never so abominable in his conversation yet must be admitted a Member then hee cannot be cast out of the Church for any vile sin so long as he is nomine tenus a Christian he is now as he was when you admitted him You say the Consequence is erroneous because be did not make profession of his sin but of his Faith As Simon Magus Then it seemes the man must professe his sin with his own mouth as his Faith though Mr. Blake knowes he is a Ranter c. The Members of the Church witnesse it yet because the mans own mouth doth not professe it you admit him Then sir though you know the same abominations afterward and your Members testifie it witnesses come in you must not cast him out unlesse he will professe it If Knowledge and Witnesses will cast him out whether his mouth will professe it or no why will not the same keepe him out at first We shall never find such 〈◊〉 thinke as you speake of they will give you good words when they come to require Baptisme though they will sweare and be drunk before and after in the same day For Simon Magus I have spoken to him before Aar rod. 482. and Mr. Gillespic answers for me What is that Censure you would have passed upon a manifest opposer of Christ in his visible Kingdome he was no subject I said Therefore not sit for a Church-member But sir I have not liberty to go further onely this I must adde I follow this dispute with much sadnesse in respect of mine own heart for your else and Mr. Ca. I honour you both your graces your abilities I ac●knowledge are before mine but in this point I must see more light before 〈◊〉 yeild as for the bond of Unity I hope by my piece against the Separation you will conceive me to be one who will hold it firme with you in this Point I leave you to your own light and shall conclude with the words of Cyprian though some may say I am in an errour as he was Manente concordiae vin●ulo perseverante Catholicae Ecclesiae individu● Sacramento Ep. 52. actum suum disponit dirigit unusquisque Episcopus ra●i●nem prep●fiti sui Domino redditurus FINIS To the Reader I Had but three houres liberty and that in the night to run over my book and correct it I did not observe many faults which would trouble the sense those I leave to the Courteous Reader to correct these among others I observed Pag. 10. l. 21. r. propriè l. 22. r. Govenant for Councell p. 22. ●undem p. 43. for Smith r. saith