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A44639 The seat of the scorner thrown down, or, Richard Hobbs his folly, envy and lyes in his late reply to my book called A looking-glass, &c manifested and rebuked whereunto is annexed my call from the Baptists, to walk in the true light : and a true testimony to the light and power of Christ in the heart with a few queries to the said R. Hobbs / by Luke Howard ; to which is added a further answer by T.R. Howard, Luke, 1621-1699.; Howard, Luke, 1621-1699. Looking-glass for Baptists.; Rudyard, Thomas, d. 1692. Water-Baptists reproach repeld. 1673 (1673) Wing H2987; ESTC R6501 43,144 60

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within the Hope of Glory Christ within except you be Reprobate I in them and they in me that they may be one as we are one said Christ Jesus the Light of Men If any Man be in Christ he is a New Creature behold all things are become new new Heart new Mind new Will and new Affections the old Heart in the Earth the new Heart is given to God the old Mind Carnal the new Mind Spiritual the old Will Unsanctified the new Will Sanctified the old Affections in the Earth the new Affections set upon things above the old Conversation is after the Course of this World which lieth in Wickedness the new Conversation is in Heaven where Christ fitteth at the Right hand of God he that can read let him understand And now to his Appeal to the Inhabitants and Magistrates of Dover if I be not a false Man as he saith for my saying They creep into Holes in a Day of Persecution and that our Rock is not as their Rock our Enemies themselves being Judges Reader I have spoken the Truth and I say it here again and I appeal to the Inhabitants of Dover Mayor and Magistrates also unto their own Consciences likewise whether I have wronged them in this at all It is true they were in their Meeting-place interrupted as all were that dissented from the Publick and their Meeting-House Door was locked up by the Mayor's Order and then they or some one for them knocked off the Lock cast it into the Mayor's Porch as if they were valiant Men as the Valiants of Israel and intended to meet again in their own hired Place but whether so or in Despight there lies the Question however they never met there more till the King gave a general Liberty as I said before in the Looking-Glass to see themselves in But we still met said this boaster else-where it is true they did meet but where I said In Corners for which Saying he would make me a Lyar and appeal to the Inhabitants and Rulers to be Judge after a very confident Manner in so false a Matter And now let all the Inhabitants of Dover be judge whether they did not meet so private in Corners since it was hard for people to know either Time or Place and with so much Secrecy that it was sometimes at one part and sometimes at another part of the Town and sometimes in the Country and one while by Five or Six in the Morning and another while in the Evening and at several uncertain Hours of the day Now whether I have wronged them in saying they met in Corners let the Inhabitants of Dover judge for this is a true Relation known well to themselves and others also Now it was evident and known to all that we called Quakers alwayes kept our Meeting-Place the Day and Hour and their Practice of shifting Time and Place into Privacies that they might not be known when nor where was laid hard to us by way of Perswasion to do the like by some much concern'd who were willing that both themselves and we might be saved from Damage but we could neither change Time nor Place and this was our Testimony to all concerned who had Experience of them and us by an Imprisonment in Dover Castle before that time wherein they did but add to our Bands for they were soon gotten out either directly or indirectly by Money given to the then Martial John Slowman which because we could not do for Conscience sake we were born upon much the harder and Sixteen Moneths except Four Dayes were we kept as it were Close Prisoners in a Room called the House of Office with no Chimney in it until the Governour Francis Vincent got an Order from the King to sit us free and this was that he Scoffingly speaks of my seeing through the Stone Walls of Dover Castle where he with others might have been if their Cause had been good and they true Men unto it and then he need not a mocked at my seeing through tee Stone Walls and this Experience with others of the like Nature the Rulers and People of Dover had of them and us And thus I have run through some part of this Night-Watchman's Work and confounded his vain Boasting and my Conscience is Clear and not Seared as he Enviously seems to charge me and here I shall leave him and his dark mind and spirit an absolute Night-Watch man Scoffer and Scorner and proceed to my Testimony to the true Light A True Testimony to the Light and Power of Christ in the Heart ANd that is that God is Light and in him is no Darkness at all and Christ is the Ligt of the World and in him is Life and his Life is the Light of Men and to know God and Christ is Eternal Life and this Life is in the Son and he that hath the Son hath Life and be that hath not the Son hath not Life Now that which is to be known of God and of this Eternal Life is manifested in Man for he hath shew'd it unto Man even the Manifestation of the Spirit of Truth which is given to every Man to profit withall as a Talent or Measure of Knowledge of the Will of God concerning Man of his State and Condition as he stands in the Fall by Sin having fallen short of the Glory of God is given of God unto Man so hath he commanded the Light to shine out of Darkness and hath shin'd into our Hearts to give us the Light of the Knowledge of the Glory of God again in the Face of Jesus Christ to wit the Knowledge of the Grace and Truth the Fulness of which dwelt in that Body which the Father had prepared and this Grace and Truth which Man had depriv'd himself of so became Darkness has the Lord in Love to lost Man made appear again by the Name of the Grace of God appearing to all Men and Light shining in the Heart where the Darkness and the Power thereof hath taken Place so now the Grace of God which brings Salvation hath appeared unto all Men teaching us to wit all that believe in it to deny Vngodliness and worldly Lusts and to live soberly and Godlikely in this present evil World Now the Grace that brings Salvation to as many as believe in it is the Condemnation of those which believe not in it for this is the Condemnation that Light Grace is come and Men love Darkness rather then Light because their Deeds are evil Light shineth in the Heart by it the Lord doth search out the desperate Wickedness thereof and so trieth the Reins that all Men are left without Excuse in his Sight the Talent is given to all Light shines in all Grace and Truth appears to all the Possession of the Glory of God again is tendered to all through the Light which shines in the Heart to give the Knowledge of the Glory of God again in the Face of Jesus Christ who is God's Power to
THE SEAT OF THE SCORNER Thrown Down OR Richard Hobbs his Folly Envy and Lyes in his late Reply to my Book called A Looking-Glass c. Manifested and Rebuked Whereunto is annexed my Call from the BAPTISTS to walk in the True LIGHT And a True Testimony to the Light and Power of Christ in the Heart With a few QUERIES to the said R. Hobbs By Luke Howard To which is added a further Answer by T. R. He that is first in his own Cause seemeth Just but his Neighbour cometh after and searcheth him out Prov. 18.17 The Lip of Truth shall be established forever but a Lying Tongue is but for a Moment Prov. 12.19 Printed in the Year 1673. TO THE READER Reader INto whose hands this may come for your sakes who are so much troubled that there should be so much contending and as you say striving betwixt People professing Religion this know that we called Quakers are forced thereunto and that for Righteousness sake for the Lord knows it is so because the Baptists began first with us as soon as the King gave Liberty they fell on us as David said laying to our Charge things we knew not of Lying Stories of seven Years old out of Lincolnshire of one Richard Anderson of Panton which never was at a Quakers Meeting in his Life but at many Baptists Meetings as appears by their own Writing and so in Hypocrisie would cloath him with a Quaker by Name who was rather a Baptist and only because he at some times after his own manner would speak of the Light Within against them which Light these Men so hate that for a little spoken from a Man which was never one of us neither in Reality nor yet in Formality they should make so much a do and such a Cry of to the World as they have done and would have the World judge of the Light of Christ which we say every Man is lighted with by the Carriage of him who was so near themselves And now mark because our Friends gave an Answer in plain Truth to their false Charge Richard Hobbs Pastor of the Baptists in Dover as he calls himself in Envy undertook to write a Relation of one Charles Bayly of his Miscarriages Ten or Eleaven Years old and because a deal of his Mad Actions were true for which he must bear his own Burden therefore they thought that that should crown their Lyes in their former Story from Lincolnshire and so they Printed them together but his spirit to wit C. B. and his Work we did and do deny as by the Looking-Glass for Baptists doth at large appear unto which I refer the Reader So that I am thus constrained for Righteousness sake to appear in Print once more by way of Reply unto this Scoffer's Night-Labour a Work which he hath been Sixteen Years exercising in and of late he hath began in Print to shew the Fruit of his Labour against the Light Within and snarling at the Heels of those who believe in it and although he reads in the Scriptures which he calls his Rule That many are Called and few Chosen yet is his Eye so watching for Evil that the Fall of one Called and not Chosen is to him a rich Feast as appears by his first and second Printing of the Miscarriages of one Charles Bayly and if his last had not been redoubling of his Evil in Envy in his first by Lying Scoffing and Mocking I might have rested at this time in Silence knowing right well that my first Answer to his Envious Charge against the Light of Christ Jesus is clear enough without Rubbing as he scoffingly calls it to his first and might have served for this second also to all Impartial Minds Luke Howard THE Seat of the Scorner Thrown Down c. ANd now Reader because I am accused in pag. 9. of this Night-Watch-man's Labour of my leaving the Ordinances of God as he calls them I shall here give a brief Account of my leaving the People called Anabaptists in their carnal Water-dipping and elementary Worship where I with many more were as now many are looking for the Living among the Dead and in our meeting in those dayes and performing our Work and Duty as we then thought in that which we call'd Gospel-Faith even then would God's Witness the Light arise and shew me that we were not in the Gospel-Faith which we so much professed and that we were not Baptized by the One Spirit into the One Body Here the Lord in the Light put me to a stand and set me spiritually to commune with my own Heart in a weighty Sense of my own Condition and then in the Light I saw That we were all ignorant of the One Baptism and One Faith as well as of the One Lord and one Body into which that Baptism gives an enterance It is true we were dipped in Water in Hope of Life and Peace and call'd Brothers and Sisters by Water-dipping but that Formality satisfied not the Cry of my Soul which was still in me after spiritual Knowledge and Acquaintance with the Lord which by the Light shining in my Heart I saw was not to be had in carnal Water notwithstanding Men do so much quote Mat. 28. for Water-dipping unto which in the Baptists Looking-Glass I have spoken fully in pag. 12 13. unto which I refer the Reader But to return Then I became very much dissatisfied and constrain'd to for sake those things People in their Observations and that for good Conscience sake which I once practiced while the Vail was over my Heart in a Day of great Reproach here I was willing to forget those that things were behind in the Death and press forward after Life which they in their dayes were Shaddows of and that is all they ever were but now there is but one Lord one Faith and one Baptism At that time one of the Preachers asked me when separated Why I would not walk with them My Answer was Because neither they nor I was in the Gospel Faith and that if ever I should know it that it would be as plain to me as I saw the Door with my Natural Eye And now hath the Lord sealed that Faith unto me in the Light by which I then saw my self out of it everlasting Praises be unto his Name forever Then my Life became as it were alone and like a Wanderer seeking Rest for the Cry continued and the Witness attended but I knew it not to be the Gift of God's Grace and that the Reproof of Instruction given by it was the Way to Life and so took little Warning by it more then to live a kind of a desolate Life for want of Peace of Conscience with the Lord and in this State would I Weep and Cry in secret for want of true Bread to give Life to my Soul which lay in Death yet would I not return again to those empty Shaddows though importuned thereunto but the Father's House I sought where