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A29753 Quakerisme the path-way to paganisme, or, A vieu of the Quakers religion being an examination of the theses and apologie of Robert Barclay, one of their number, published lately in Latine, to discover to the world, what that is, which they hold and owne for the only true Christian religion / by John Brown ... Brown, John, 1610?-1679.; R. M. C. 1678 (1678) Wing B5033; ESTC R10085 718,829 590

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not but it may be what is here wanting is supplied by his Apology But if his meaning be that he leaveth this testimony to convince that light of Christ which illuminateth every mans conscience than it seemeth that light of Christ hath need of his information and that notwithstanding thereof conscience may refuse to receive his doctrine and information so that this light of Christ though it enlighten the conscience cannot captivate the same to a kindly submission to that Gospel which he preacheth till some other thing worke But seing he leaveth this his testimony to be pondered and considered by the light of Christ which enlighteneth every mans conscience and thereby granteth that every man hath this Supream light of Christ within him and thereby may and is allowed by him to judge of what he saith he cannot be offended that I judge by all that light of Christ within enforming my soul and conscience from that light of Christ which is held forth in the Scriptures of truth and determine accordingly against his Assertions CHAP. II. Of the true ground of Knowledge 1. HAving thus considered his Preface with which he ushereth-in his Theses I come now to a particular examination of his doctrine expressed in his Theses and vindicated and explained in his large Apologie His first Thesis which is concerning the true ground of Knowledge is short wherein he tels us that seing our chiefe happiness is placed in the true Knowledge of God for this is life eternal that they might know that true God Ioh. 17 3. the true and genuine understanding of the right original and ground of Knowledge is especially necessary to be known and believed 2. Christ indeed in his prayer Ioh. 17 3. speaketh to his Father thus And this is life eternal that they might know thee the only true God and Iesus Christ whom thou hast sent which last words why this man did leave out and his c. added in his second edition is but a small reliefe who can tell if of designe it must be a bad Omen and giveth small ground of expectation of a full and satisfying discovery of that knowledge of ●od which is through faith in Jesus Christ and is thereby begun felicity here and leadeth forward to the certane fruition of God However Christ hereby giveth us to understand that that knowledge of God which is eternal life begun cannot be had without the saving knowledge of Jesus Christ as the sent Ambassadour of God in whose face and manifestations God who commanded the light to shine out of darkness shineth into the hearts of his owne to give the light of the knowledge of his glory 2 Cor. 4 6. Our Lord doth not meane here a bare speculative knowledge but such a knowledge and beholding of the glory of the Lord as changeth the beholder into the same image from glory to glory even as by the Spirit of the Lord 2 Cor. 3 18. and so is accompanyed with Faith apprehending and closeing with the Son in whom is this eternal life so that he who hath the Son hath life 1 Ioh. 5 11 12. And it is this Son of God who must give us an understanding that we may know him that is true and we are in him that is true in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God and eternal life 1 Ioh. 5 20. And another foundation or original of knowledge that is saving and the way to eternal life can no man lay 1 Cor. 3 11. 3. It is good and necessary I confess to have the genuine and true understanding of the right original and ground of this true and saving knowledge But whether this mans doctrine hath a genuine tendency thereunto or not the sequel will evince I am far mistaken if after tryal his doctrine prove not a perverting of the Gospel of Christ Gal. 1 7. and of the right wayes of the Lord Act. 13 10. and contradictory to that Gospel whereby life and immortality is brought to light 2 Tim. 5 10. and which is the Gospel of Salvation Ephes. 1 13. 4. We might readily think that one taking upon him with no small confidence to teach the whole world and to give a new discovery of pure and naked truth which hitherto hath been as he supposeth darkened and obscured and who openly declareth in the beginning of his doctrine that the genuine understanding of the right origin●l knowledge of that God whom to know is life eternal is necessary to be known and believed should explaine to us some hidden mysteries of God and help us by his new grounds to some more distinct apprehensions of what is revealed to us of God in his word But alas this mans ignis fatuus is no sure guide to us The grounds he layeth down are both defective and destructive Of their destructive nature we will have large occasion to speak hereafter and how defective they are a few Instances may clear 5. And first Seing he would hold forth to us clear and naked truth and acquant us with true divine and saving knowledge how cometh it to passe that in his Theses we heare nothing of the nature and attributes of God Supposeth he that we can attaine to the true and saving knowledge of God and yet not know Him to be a Spirit Pure and Invisible without a Body Parts or Passions nor know that He is the only True and Living God Infinite in Being and in all Perfection Shall we think that it is no part of that knowledge of God wherein consisteth true felicity to know Him to be Immutable Immense Eternal Incomprehensible Almighty Most Holy Most Absolute Most Just Most Righteous Most Wise Most Gracious and Long-suffering c. Is it no part of the genuine knowledge of God that tendeth to life to know that He hath all Life Glory Goodness and Blessedness in of Himself c. and that He is the sole Fountaine of all Life Glory and Goodness which the Creature partaketh or is capable of and the only Author of their being what for a knowledge of God must that be in which all felicity consisteth whereof the knowledge of these particulars mentioned shall make no part And if he thinketh that the knowledge of God doth of necessity comprehend the knowledge of these particulars how cometh it to passe that in his Most comprehensive Theses and his large Apology too which hold forth as he would make us believe that knowledge which leadeth unto life eternal there is such a deep silence of these so many particulars so necessary to be known and beleeved It concerneth him to answere this 6. Next Shall we think that it is no necessary part of this saving knowledge of God to know that there is one God in Essence and Three distinct persons in the Unity of the God head of one Substance Power and Eternity viz God the Father being of none neither Begotten nor Proceeding God the Son eternally begotten of the Father and God the Holy Ghost eternally proceeding
from the Father and the Son And if the knowledge of this be such an essential part of Christianity and a ground of that knowledge of God which leadeth to salvation and so necessary for the right uptaking of the great work of Redemption and Salvation as it is and cannot rationally be denyed by any sober man who considereth what a sure basis this is unto the Christians hope peace and comfort how cometh it to pass that there is no express and distinct mention made of this fundamental point in all his Theses we have heard how the Quakers of N. England have denied this foundation And Mr Stalham in his Reviler rebuked part 1. sect 7. tels us that the Quakers against whom he wrote d●nied th●t there was any Scripture for the Trinity and said that the Holy Ghost was no Person It is known also how others of them inveigh against this fundamental Truth It is true I finde not this man either in his Theses or in his Apology directly writing against this tru●h Yet as I finde no expressions hereanent in his whole book others than such as might come out of the mouth of an Antitrinitarian Socinian so I judge if his Theses had answered his great brags in the Preface they had expresly and distinctly not only mentioned but clearly have unfolded this truth 7. In the 3. place If by his Theses he would direct us into the Saving knowledge of God and make a plaine discovery to us from the very fountaine of all that knowledge that leadeth unto life eternal how cometh it to pass that we have no declaration made to us of the Eternal Purposes and Decrees of God whereby some Men and Angels are predestinated unto everlasting life and others foreordained unto everlasting death and whereby according to the most wise and holy counsel of his will he hath freely and unchangeably ordained whatsoever cometh to pass Shall we think that the knowledge of this hath no interest in the saving knowledge of God or in that knowledge which leadeth unto life which yet undeni●bly yeeldeth such a noble ground of Faith Dependence Praise Reverence Humility Hope Consolation Admiration and holy Fear Nay this Man not only doth not asserte or explaine this but as we shall hear doth deny and impugne it with all his might 8. How cometh it 4 That in all his Theses or Apology there is not the least mention direct or indirect made of the Covenant of Redemption or of those mutual actings of the blessed Persons of the Trinity resembling a mutual Covenant and engagement concerning the everlasting Interest of man Shall any man think that this point of truth which is such a sure ground of all our hopes and consolation such a sure support of staggering souls and such an armour of proof against the assaults of Satan maketh no part of that knowledge which leadeth unto life or hath no place in true and saving knowledge 9. Further 5. Doth not the doctrine of the first C●venant of Works entered into with Adam as the representative of M●n-ki●de upon condition of Personal Perfect and Perpetual obedience belong to that necessary knowledge which bringeth forward unto life or unto that knowledge of God in Christ which is begun felicity How is it then that his Theses are so silent herein or at most give us such a darke and jejune hint of this as is next to none as we shall see It is one of the Quakers tenets as Mr Stalham Sheweth in his forecited book Part 1. Sect●7 ●7 that Adam was not under a Covenant of Works that the Law which Adam had in innocency written in his heart was not the moral law that Adam did not stand by the observation of the positive branches given him in command according to that Law So said I. Nayler and R. F. as he sheweth us and that the same Iames Nayler in his Book called The discovery of the Man of sin Pag 23. went about to prove this by such pityful Arguments as these The Covenant of Works saith do this and live but he that is Adam had the life already while he stood in it and so it was not to be obtained by working as if do this and live could not hold forth the condition of continueing in life and againe That the law was added because of transgression which if it had been before the transgression could not have been as if the law must not of necessity be before sin which is the transgression thereof 1. Ioh. 3.4 and could not afterward beheld forth as a glass to discover the foule spots of transgressions and the same would R. F. in the 12. Pag. of his Book go about to prove 10 Moreover 6. If his Theses be such an unfolding of clear and naked truth how cometh it that he speaketh so obscurely and enigmatically of the fall of Adam Doth not the clear and distinct knowledge of this truth concerne such as would be acquaint with true and saving knowledge 11. But especially 7. We may wonder how it cometh to pass that in his Theses which he would give out as a summe of saving knowledge nor in his great Apologie we have no description explication or delineation yea or mention of the Covenant of Grace wherein Life and Salvation Pardon and Acceptance Grace and Glory is promised and offered through faith in Jesus Christ or acceptance of Him as He is offered in the Gospel Shall we think that the knowledge of this is no part of that pure and naked Truth which is necessary to be known Or that it can contribute nothing unto that knowledge of God in Christ which is the sure way unto eternal life How shall he be able to perswade us hereof 12. Againe 8. Shall we think that the doctrine of the Redemption purchased by Christ of the Atonement made by him unto Justice for the sinnes of his people and of their Reconciliation unto and Acceptance with God upon the account thereof of the Sufferings of Christ in Body and Soul in his state of Humiliation of his Death Resurrection and Ascension and Sitting at the Fathers right hand of his Obedience and of the Sacrifice of himself which he through the Eternal Spirit once offered up unto God to satisfie Justice and purchase not only Reconciliation but also an everlasting Inheritance in the Kingdom of Heaven for all such as were given to him of the Father shall we think I say that the knowledge of this is not necessary unto Salvation nor necessary to such as would have such a knowledge of God as is eternal life If he dar not be so impudent as to say so why is there such a shameful silence hereof in his Theses and Book as there is Had he no will to displease his friends the Socinians 13. Further 9. Shall it be thought that the doctrine of the Incarnation of the Son of God the Second Person in the Trinity hath no great interest in that pure and naked truth the knowledge whereof leadeth
unto life because it hath no place in his writings 14. The like 10. may we say of the work of Grace and of Sanctification of which his account is so darke and enigmatical that it is far from an holding forth of pure and naked Truth And how cometh it that he is so silent in explaining to us the nature of Faith in Jesus Christ and of its Actings and of Repentance unto life and of our Communion with the Father and his Son through Faith do not these appertain to that knowledge of God which is Eternal Life What shall we then think of this Gospel which He taketh upon him to be a publisher of 15. In the next place 11. To speak nothing of the law of God in obedience whereunto with a right frame of Spirit consisteth true Sanctification and that Obedience which is a real mark of true Love to God and so must be necessarily known to the end we may come to the possession of Eternal life whereof notwithstanding he not only giveth no plaine or naked account but also with the rest of the Quakers layeth downe grounds destroying all obedience to the law of God as we shall heare How cometh it that in all his explication of the true nature and original of that knowledge which leadeth unto life whether in his Theses or Apologie we have no account given to us of that Eternal life which we are to aime at and intend as our last end nor yet of its opposite Eternal Death and Hell whereby we might come to know some thing of the nature worth and necessity of Glory 16. Yet once more 12. I would aske why it is that in his Theses he giveth us no account of the Resurrection of the Body nor of the last Judgment He cannot say that the knowledge and faith of these particulars are not necessary unless he be of the same opinion with other Quakers who either speak dubiously thereof or do down right deny it Mr. Hicks sheweth us in his Book called The Quakers appeal answered Pag 21. that one Whitehead asserted in the hearing of many witnesses that this body shall not rise againe and that Will. Pen in his Book intituled Reas. against Rail Pag. 133. saith That it is inconsistent with Scripture Reason and the beliefe of all Men right in their wits And Pag. 134. that the absurdity of the Transubstantiation is rather outdone than equalled by this carnal Resurrection And that Pag. 138. he called it a Barbarous conceit Shall I think that this our Apologizer is of the same minde If not it concerneth him to speak more positively thereunto for his silence will go for an approbation of what his party speak expresly and further as concerning the last Judgment we may suppose that such as look on the Resurrection of the dead as a figment will give no place in their creed unto the doctrine of Christs coming againe to judge quick and dead and indeed I finde in the second Dialogue of Mr. Hicks Pag 42 43 that Whitehead in his Christ ascend Pag. 18 20 21 69. denyeth That Christ hath a personal being at the Right-hand of God without all men And Pag. 2● that he denyeth That he shall come visibly againe saying that they are like to be deceived who are expecting that Christs second comeing will be a personal comeing And I finde G. Keith in his Immediat Revel Pag. 77. applying the second or next comeing againe of Christ mentioned by Iames Cap. 5 7 8. by Paul Heb. 9.28 and by Peter 1 Pet 1 13. to Christs revelation when he shall appeare in us glorified who before was crucified in weakness yet now raised in power and living by the power of God and raising us up together with him setting us in heavenly places in him Whereby he cannot but meane a second coming againe of Christ which is already past and nothing else 17. By these particulars several others which might be added every one may judge what a delineation of that knowledge which leadeth to Salvation this confident man will give us in these his Theses when so many so important and so necessary and essential parts of our Christian faith are not once by him mentioned or asserted let be cleared up or explained but rather tacitely or expresly rejected and condemned We may also judge what that knowledge of God wherein is life eternal is which he shall pointe forth to us in his Theses when so many things so manifestly belonging to true divine and saving knowledge are if not denied yet waved by him as not necessary to be known and believed Hereby also we see ground to suspect that Original and Foundation of knowledge which he followeth and would propose to our understanding faith in the two next following Theses for either that must be a false Original and rotten Ground of saving knowledge or he is yet a stranger to the true and genuine Knowledge thereof otherwise he should be in case to give us a more distinct faithful account of these and such like particulars which are so necessary to be known and believed 18. I Shall readily grant that it is very necessary and usefull to know what is the true ground and original out of which we are to draw that knowledge of God and of his wayes which is necessary for us to know and believe in order to the obtaining of that felicity which consisteth in and is had further by the knowledge of God in Christ not only because many are ready to drink-in false Notions and Principles as he sayeth but very obscurely and indistinctly in his Apology Pag. 1. and 2. of God and of his Truth to hold fast what they have so through Ignorance Misinformation and Prejudice imbibed but especially because so many Pretenders to high and great matters as he and his like are ready to imbrace a Shadow for a Substance and take a suggestion of Satan the Father of lies or a dream of their own braines or a lying Vision of the Prince of the powers of the aire for Revelations and Manifestations of the God of Truth and the Motions of their own corrupt minds enlightned with the wildfire of their owne fancies or the fire flaughts of the God of this World for the Motions of the ●pirit of God That such things have been and may be himself dar not deny and if he should deny it sad experience of the fantastick Enthusiasts and false Teachers which every age hath produced will put it beyond all denyal as also the Idolatry and Superstition of so many Nations and People as himself affirmeth Pag. 2. which were a clear evidence of the false and fictious Opinions and Apprehensions which they had of God and a fruite of the false Divinations and pretended Revelations which they trusted to And therefore with good warrand and with his own approbation I shall say That it is a most dangerous thing to lay a wrong foundation of Knowledge and to draw the same out of
a corrupt Original and that we ought to be sure that the Ground and Original of our Knowledge be such as we may saifly trust to and build upon But whether the Original which He and other Quakers do follow and which he would prescribe unto us be the true and genuine Original and Ground of saving Knowledge he must allow us liberty seing the danger here is great as himself confesseth and such as enter not by the door are Theevs and Robbers to examine and to try whether the Ground he holdeth forth be Saife or the Ground we build upon be not Sufficient CHAP. III. Of inward and immediat Revelations 1. The maine scope of his second Thesis which is concerning Inward and Immediat Revelations is to give us the true and genuine understanding of the right original and fundation of Knowledge So that this Thesis must point out unto us this Original and Ground of true and saving Knowledge and by the title which he hath prefixed unto this Thesis we learne that his opinion is that Inward and Immediat Revelation is the only right Original and Foundation of Knowledge and this Inward and Immediat Revelation is given us in place of the holy Scriptures as his adjoining the third Thesis concerning the Scriptures and what he saith of them therein make manifest 2. We should now come to the examination of what he saith of this Inward and Immediat Revelation but in the entry of his explication of this Thesis in his Apology Pag 4. we are staved off by a hudge Preoccupation and meet with a dangerous Dilemma for either we must give our assent unto what he saith in this Thesis or bear the stigma and blake mark of Carnal and Natural Christians ignorant of the motions and operations of the Spirit of God in our hearts But perceiving an open way of escapeing from betwixt the hornes of his dilemma and waving his uncharitable censure of such as oppose him as being not only strangers to these motions of the Spirit in their hearts but as accounting them no way necessary yea as mocking them as foolish and ridiculous and much more to this purpose wherein as he manifesteth what Spirit he is of and with what Spirit he is led so he bewrayeth much ignorance of the minde and assertions of his Opposites which would be both endless and unprofitable for me once to take any notice of let be to answere seing a simple contempt of his Calumnies is sufficient Waveing I say these his impertinencies as the native fruite of his imbittered Spirit against all that do not applaud his wilde Notions I shall tell him that I cordially give my assent unto that of Paul Rom. 8 9 14. now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ he is none of his For as many as are led by the Spirit of God they are the Sones of God And I know no Christian whether Private Person or Doctor Minister or Divine that will not homologate with me in this howbeit he flander us as not only denying this but also as contradicting it 3. But he would hence deduce that no Knowledge of God can be acquired without a Divine and Immediat Revelation and for this cause he distinguisheth betwixt a Certane and an Vncertane a Spiritual and a Literal a Saving and an Empty Aery and Brainy Knowledge of God and sayeth the One can be many wayes acquired but the Other not without an Inward and Immediate Manifestation of the Spirit of God shineing in the heart and enlightening the understanding By which we see what Darkness and Confusion occupieth this mans minde and how either through blinde Ignorance or wicked Prevarication he laboureth to pervert the true state of the Question and leadeth his Readers into the same ditch of Ignorance and Prejudice wherein himself is fallen If he cannot we know how to distinguish betwixt the Spirits Inward and Immediat Revealing and making known the minde of God as he did of old unto the Prophets and Apostles whether by Dreames Visions Vive voice or inward efficacious Inspirations and the Spirits gracious In-working and Impressing the Truthes other wayes revealed and made known mediatly upon the soul of a man giving him through the spiritual Illumination of his minde and the gracious and effectual Moving of his heart grace to See to Imbrace and to Close with and savingly Improve the Truths revealed These things which are most manifestly distinct clearly different he is pleased either out of meer Ignorance or our of Designe all alongs to jumble together and confound that he might the more darken the Reader and prejudge him both of the right state of the Question and at the orthodox truth which he maliciously misrepresenteth The difference betwixt these two Operations of the Spirit without running forth here into a tedious and unnecessary digression for the clear information of the Reader and for preventing our further labour afterward we shall thus make plaine and manifest The first Operation of the Spirit mentioned is that which he the rest of the Quakers endeavoure to assert plead for in prejudice of the Scriptures which now to us under the New Testam supplieth richly and with advantage the want of the Immediat and Extraordinary Revelations of the minde and will of God concerning duty whether as to Faith or Practice by which the Lord was pleased formerly after diverse manners and wayes to make the same known The other which we assert and maintaine is an Efficient and not Objective Revelation and confirmeth the authority and truth of the Objective Revelation of the minde of God both touching Faith and Manners and so reserveth to the Scriptures their due place as our compleet Objective Canon and Rule and confirmeth them therein bringing home with power and saving grace upon the heart the Truths therein revealed and casting the soul into the mould of these saving Truths The One which they plead for taketh away all the use of the letter of the Scriptures all the study thereof or all the paines to be used in Acquireing the knowledge of the Original tongues in Reading of Commentaries for attaining to the knowledge of the letter in Preaching and Hearing of preachings in Useing other meanes for reaching the knowledge of the Truths delivered in the Scriptures The Other which we maintaine presupposeth in ordinary this knowledge of the letter of the Scriptures and the use of means contributing thereunto as a meane appointed of God whereby we may come through his Grace cooperating on our Understandings Wils unto the saving soul-captivating knowledge of the same Truths As the saving and gracious beleeving and improving of the Truths of God revealed of old by his immediatly and extraordinarily inspired Prophets unto others did presuppose their hearing and understanding the letter of what these Prophets and extraordinary Messengers revealed as the minde of God and did not destroy and make useless that meane as the way of Quakers would necessarily have done for they alleidge
take notice of it 6 In his § 4. He would have us beleeving that he doth not hereby condemne all other second wayes or meanes as he purposeth to cleare in the next Thesis that is all other Wayes and Modes of attaining to the knowledge of God for he granteth these to be profitable and that they may conduce to facilitate the work but he is here pleading as he saith for that which is absolutely necessary But all the question is concerning the true meaning and import of that which he accounteth so Necessary if it be such Revelations of Truths as the Prophets and such as were Immediatly inspired had and as Enthusiasts plead for I deny the necessity hereof and as to this what way I pray can other meanes and modes as the Scriptures conduce to facilitate these Revelations have they any influence upon the person who is to receive these Revelations disposeing him thereunto Let him explaine this and then he may hear what shall be further replied If the thing so necessary unto the saving knowledge of God be only that operation of the Spirit which we mentioned above we assent and only say That he should speak more intelligibly than call this an Inward and Immediat Revelation But it is usual with this sort of men to speak as did the Libertines against whom Calvin wrote Cap. 2. after an high and loftie manner as if they were alwayes ravished in an ecstasy for as they alwayes have the Spirit in their mouth so they use a strange idiome that such as hear them are at the first amazed and this they affect of purpose to deceive their hearers and raise in them an admiration of them and their Opinions 7. Having thus premised what he thought fit to say to cleare the Question and to make way for vindicating of his Thesis he cometh next to the explication and confirmation of his Assertion in his Thesis where he tels us of five particulars 1. That there is no knowledge of the Father but by the Son 2. That there is no knowledge of the Son but by the Spirit 3. That God did alwayes reveal himself by the Spirit 4. That these Revelations were the formal object of the faith of the Saints 5. That the same object of faith remaineth He nameth here we see the Father the Son and the Spirit and we might readily think that he would here hold forth the order of working of the glorious Persons of the Trinity in things without ad extra and particularly in the Revelation of the mind of God concerning mans duty But whether we may rest perswaded that his judgment herein is Orthodox and that verily he beleeveth that there are Three Persons in the God head equal in Power and Glory of one Substance and Duration may be a doubt partly because the Light within which to him is the supream and only adequate Rule of Faith cannot teach this mysterie and hence it is that the Socinians not only will not admit this as an article of their creed but do also with much industry and rage oppose it and mainly upon this ground that their Natural Reason or the light within them which upon the matter so far as I can judge differeth not from the Light of the Quakers cannot comprehend it and partly because I finde other Quakers such as those of New England and those against whom Mr Stalham wrote as I hinted above denying it It is true this man hath several expressions further in the words following which would seem to evince that he is orthodox herein and there are some also that may seem to look another way But not purposeing to make more debate with him than I must needs do I shall not fix any thing upon him for which I see not clear ground only I wish that the next time he cometh forth in publick he would be more plain and positive as to this 8. As to the first of the forementioned Propositions It is true that no man knoweth the Father but the Son and he to whom the Son will reveal him Matth. 11 27. Luk. 10 22. for no man hath seen God at any time the only begotten Son which is in the bosome of the Father he hath declared him Ioh. 1 18. and God who at sundry times and in diverse manners spake in times past unto the Fathers by the Prophets hath in these last daies spoken unto us by his Son c. Hebr. 1 1 2. and so the Son of God the Second Person of the Trinity being the true Eternal God of the same substance and equal in power and glory with the Father when the fulness of time was come took upon Him mans nature so that the Word was made flesh and tabernacled among us Ioh 1 14 to the end that He might execute his Offices and among the rest declare the whole Counsel of God concerning mans Salvation as the great Prophet and Teacher of Israel But shall we suppose that this Man looketh upon Iesus of Nazareth of whom the Father said Mat 17 5. This is my beloved Son in whom I am well pleased heare yee him to be this Son that revealeth the Father and to be that grand mystery God manifest in the flesh justified in the Spirit seen of Angels preached unto the Gentiles bel●eved on in the World received up into glory 1 Tim. 3 16 The reason of my doubt is this because I finde some Quakers give a very indistinct and unsatisfying answere to such a question as this and give ground to suppose that they understood nothing by the Words being made flesh but the Light within them But his proof and explication of this Proposition is observable Pag. 9. He proveth it thus Because God who is the root and fountaine of all operation made all things by his eternal word Son and citeth Ioh. 1 1 2 3. Ephes. 3 9. If hereby he understand the first Creation with the orthodox how shall he evince this Consequence That because God created all things in the beginning by his Son Jesus Christ Therefore there is no knowledge of the Father but by his Son and is this a point so difficult to be proved that he was constrained to run back to the first Creation for an argument This would justly give ground of suspicion that the man meaneth by the Creation in the places cited not the First but the Second Creation with which Christs Revelation of the Father hath a more clear and natural connection and so joyneth with Socinus and his followers Enjedinus Smalcius and Schlightingius in denying upon this account Christ to be God creating all They say that when the Scripture saith God made all things by the Word c. the meaning is God made all things by his owne word and vertue the same expression which this Man useth here and thus interpret and apply the same Scriptures which he here citeth even that Ioh. 14 6. But admitting that he taketh the Creation in the orthodox sense we may observe
some other Abomination lurking under this To wit That this manifestation of the Father by the Son is not to be understood of a Gospel Manifestation but of a Natural Manifestation had in and by the works of Creation and so not of a Manifestation peculiar to the Church and people of God but of a Manifestation common to Heathens and all without the pale of the Church otherwise he shall hereby destroy what afterward he laboureth to build viz. the Universality of this Manifestation But whoever considereth the Scriptures by us cited shall finde that Christ meaneth a manifestation and declaration of the Father in and by the Gospel and Gospel Ordinances to the destruction of this mans Universality 9. He cometh § 6. to the clearing of his second Proposition viz. That there is no knowledge of the Son but by the Spirit And who will deny this as to that Knowledge which is truely and eventually saving of which Saving Certane and Necessary Knowledge his Proposition is to be understood as himself expresly showeth us with an Observandum and 1 Cor. 2 11 12. 12 3. whereby he proveth this are cleare enough but I see not the necessity of adduceing as a proof hereof Revel 3 20. behold I stand at the door c. Yet beside this Saving knowledge there is a Literal knowledge had by the common gifts of the Spirit which is also true in its kinde and though as to any Saving Effect it be Ineffectual yet we must not say with him Pag. 12. that the Spiritual Truths in the Gospel are as lies in the mouth of carnal persons for they are true even as to them Heb. 10 26. Some may sin wilfully after they have received the knowledg of the truth for whom no more sacrifice remaineth and 2 Pet. 2 20 21. Some may have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Iesus Christ and have known the way of righteousness who after they have known it turne from the holy commandement c. I cannot then say with him that this Knowledge of Christ is no more properly to be called a Knowledge of Christ than the speaking of a Parot is properly humane knowledge for I cannot think that when Christ sent Iudas to preach the Gospel it was as a man sending an ambassage by the hand of a Parot or that Balaam had no real knowledge of what was revealed unto him in his trance 10. But not insisting on this which is not much to the maine purpose I Observe that the thing which concerned him chiefly to clear up prov● is not once touched by him here He should have proved t● us That this teaching of Christ by the Spirit is and was alwayes by Immediat Revelation that is by Enthusiasmes and such Extraordinary Wayes Nor doth he which is also remarkable distinguish betwixt Christs teaching by the Spirit in the Prophets of old and the Apostles of late and Christs own teaching Immediatly in his own Person while Incarnate which two the Apostle clearly differenceth Heb. 1 1 2. 2 3 4. Nor doth he speak any thing of Christs Mediat teaching whether by Apostles extraordinarily assisted or by Ordinary Ministers or by his Word nay by his language we might suppose that he excludeth these wayes from being wayes of Christ's teaching contrare to Math. 10 20. 1 Thes. 4 8. 2 Cor. 5 19 20. Mat. 28 18 19. and many other places 11. Let us proceed and see what he saith § 7. in confirmation of the third Proposition viz. That God did alwayes make himself manifest to the Sons of Men by the Spirit For this cause he would have us considering how God from the beginning did manifest himself in his creatures But our enquiry should be how he did manifest himself to his creatures These words in creaturis suis in his creatures cannot but be understood of the way of his manifesting himself But to Manifest Himself in or by the Creatures is not the same with Manifesting H●mself in or by the Spirit For confirmation of his Proposition he adduceth Gen. 1.2 And the Spirit of the Lord moved upon the face of the waters Is not this a pregnant proof of Gods revealing his minde unto Men who were not yet created B●t passing this ridiculous Argument which moreover perverteth the genuine meaning of the Spirit of the Lord in that passage let us see what he adduceth further I think faith he no man will deny that from Adam to Moses Gods communion with man was by immediat manifestation of the Spirit I answere Though it be true that Christ as the great Prophet of his Church did by the Spirit reveal the Counsel of God concerning mans salvation yet that he did this by the Spirit 's Immediat Revelation unto every Individual Person will never be proved now this being the matter that he would have us grant and which only maketh for his purpose he must prove it ere we assent to it That the Lord was pleased to reveal his mind Immedialy to Some and by them to Others from Adam to Moses we know but that every individual Person even of the people of God were advanced to this privilege I deny Yea even dureing that time we read in Scripture but little of these Manifestations We know what was spoken immediatly to Adam to Cain we read also of the Prophecy of En●h in Iud's Epistle which yet was not any new Truth revealed we read also of what was revealed to Noah and to Abraham to Isaac and to Iacob and to so●e few others But what will all this make for his point Sure these few persons were not all that lived dureing that long tract of time what then became of the rest how were they instructed was it not Mediatly by those Patriarchs and selected Persons And did not the Fathers instruct their children from generation to generation that the right worship and knowledg of God might be propagated from hand to hand 12. This proof evincing nothing let us see the next afterward saith he in the times of the law the Lord spoke no other way to his children which cannot be denied by such who acknowledge the Scriptures to have been written by the inspiration of the Holy Ghost Answere That the Scriptures of the Old Test. were so written I grant That the persons imployed in that work had immediat Revelations to this end I grant Nay moreover I grant that all other true Prophets who were raised up of the Lord whose Prophecies the Lord thought not fit to make a part of the Canon of the Scriptures had Divine Inward and Immediat Revelations But this Reason is as childish as the preceeding Doth he think that this is enough to prove his point Doth he think that all the rest of the people of God in those generations had those Immediat Revelations or that this followeth as a clear consequence from his Argument What folly is here He might as well prove that all the people of this
Revelations of the Spirit of God and yet they carry no Authority impressed upon them What shall carry the Impressions of a divine Authority if divine Revelations do not why did he assert in the preceeding Thesis that divine Revelation was the formal Object and ground of divine Faith How can they beleeve with a divine Faith the divine Revelations which they pretend unto why doth he plead so much for looking after divine Revelations if divine Revelations have not the stamp of divine Authority upon them But he sayes they ascribe the authority wholly unto the Spirit And do not we so also when we stoop unto the Authority of the Scriptures of Truth because delivered by the Inspiration of God when we say the Acts and Statutes of Parliament have the authority of Lawes and we obey and receive them as authenticque Lawes do we not ascribe the Legislative Authority unto the Parliament what a fancyful distinction must this them be and what a Notional difference doth he here imagine But it may be by these writings he meaneth the Paper and Ink But can he call the Paper and Inck the Scriptures of Truth or say that they did proceed from the holy Revelations of the Spirit of God 6. He reduceth all the contents of the Scripture unto three heads telling us that they containe first an historical narration of the acts of the people of God in not a few ages and of several rare testimonies of the providence of God towards them Forgetting that we have here also a true and faithful Narration of the first creation and that these examples are instructive Secondly a Prophetical narration of many things of which some are past and some are yet to come Making no mention of the great and many Promises nor yet of the threatnings Thirdly a full and large testimony to the chiefe doctrines of the Christian faith and that in certane excellent declarations exhortations and sentences which by the afflatus of the Spirit were said and written at diverse times to diverse churches and pastors according to various occasions that fell out And here is the whole of the high account he hath of the Scriptures and of their perfection Not to Meddle much with that here which he will give us occasion largely to disput of hereafter I would only enquire where or in what book beside the Scriptures shall we finde the whole doctrine of the Christian Faith laid down The Scriptures as he saith only give testimony to the chiefe Doctrines of Christianity Therefore there must be other Doctrines of Christianity that must be found out and searched for elsewhere but where I pray shall we finde these Againe I would know of him how we shall know what belongeth to the chiefe Heads of Christianity and what not we cannot know this by the Scriptures for they are supposed by him to be chief heads of Christianity to us before the Scriptures come which only as he saith beareth testimony to some of them 7. Further when he sayeth the Scripture giveth this Testimony only in certaine declarations c. It would seem we have not our Christian faith from the Scriptures but all the Articles thereof flow to us from some other Immediat Fountaine and are founded as to us upon some other Immediat Ground and the Scriptures only give some testimony thereto and that as it were on the bye in some certane Declarations Exhortations and Sentences Hence it would appeare by him that it is not the maine intendment and principal designe of the Scriptures to set downe delineat and explaine to us the articles of our Christian Faith and the doctrine of our Religion and so Iohn was it seemeth in a mistake when he said Iohn 20 vers 31. These are written that we might beleeve that Iesus is the Christ the Son of God and that believing we might have life through his name Why hath the Lord thus made known and written unto us excellent things in counsel and knowledge Is it not that our trust might be in the Lord and that he might make us know the certanty of the Words of Truth Prov. 22 vers 18 19 20 21. See Luk. 1 vers 2 3 4. Why saith Paul Rom 15 vers 4. that whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning that we through patience and comfort of the Scriptures might have hope For what end did the Spirit inspire these Holy men and by or in them speak to us in the Scriptures if not to give us a solide ground for our Faith to stand upon in receiving and beleeving the articles of Salvation Is not the whole of the Scripture given by the Inspiration of God that the man of God may be perfect throughly furnished unto all good works 2 Tim. 3 16 17 Why doth the Apostle Peter say 2 Pet. 1 19. that we do well to take heed unto this more sure word of prophecy If they be not the ground of our Faith why are we desired thus to take heed unto them and to desire the sincere milk of word that we may grow thereby 1 Pet 2 2. Are we not said to be built upon that foundation which the Prophets and Apostles did ministerially lay by Word and Write Ephes. 2 20. Thus we see he layeth no more weight upon the Scriptures as to the bottoming of our Faith than he would do upon any good Book wherein testimony were given unto the chiefe Doctrines of the Christian Faith by some excellent Declarations Exhortations and Sentences 8. In this account he giveth us of his conceptions of the fulness and perfection of the Scriptures It is observable that he doth not so much as give the least hint of any Authority wherewith the Scripture is cloathed to lay obligations on our Consciences to yeeld Faith and Obedience to it as the signification of the Soveraigne Will and pleasure of the great God and Lawgiver and in this is more injurious to the Scriptures then Papists are who grant it to be a Rule of Faith Hos. 8 12. See Psal. 119. throughout with infinite moe places and this is in effect to destroy the Scriptures which are given to us as the Law of God and must be received as such with Faith and Obedience As if they had not been inspired by the Holy Ghost for this end purpose that we might thereby understand and prove what is that good that acceptable and perfect will of God Is it not called a Law disobedience unto and transgression of which is sin 1 Ioh. 3 4. Iam. 2 8 9 10 11 12. and 4 11. 9. What he saith of the Scriptures being written to certane Churches and Pastors upon certane Occasions which is an old Popish argument neither will quadrate with the whole of the Scriptures nor though it did will it ground any such inference that we have little or no interest therein as our Law and Rule as Quakers say and lest he think I caluminate let him take notice of these few Instances Edw. Borroughs Pag.
Christ is in all That the Seed and light is in all he hath said and that this Seed and Light is Gods vehicle in which God and Christ do alwayes dwell and from which they cannot be separated he hath affirmed But that it obtaineth a place in the heart of all and is joyned therewith so that Christ is formed there and ariseth he here denieth Thus we have a distinction without a difference for in whom soever Christ is by his Spirit in them he is formed there he dwelleth as in his house and palace taking possession of the soul as his own and these are Christs 1 Cor. 3 23. Christ liveth in them and they live by faith in him Gal. 2 20. they crucify the flesh with the affections and lusts Gal. 5 24. which cannot be said of the Heathen who are without Christ Ephes. 2 12. for Christ dwelleth in the heart by faith Ephes. 3 17. Christ is united to the Church only as her head Ephes. 5 23. who grow up in him in all things Ephes. 4 15 16. and their life is hid with Christ in God and Christ is their life Col. 3 3 4. And this indwelling is mutual as he is in them so they are in him Ioh. 6 56. 1 Ioh. 4 15 16. Hence they are said to be in Christ Rom. 8 10. 16 7. 2 Cor. 5 17. 12 2. Can this be said of all the World Is all the World dead with Christ Rom. 6 vers 8. Col. 2 20 Or joynt heires with Christ Rom. 8 87. or crucified with Christ Gal. 2 20. quickened together with Christ Ephes. 2 5. Or risen with Christ Col. 3 1 He granteth that Christ is not in all by Union or strickly by Inhabitation How is he then in all He answereth he is in them as in the Seed and Light from which Christ is never separated But what ground have we for this Fancy and Notion What Scripture speaks so of Christs indwelling in all How is this distinction cleared from Scripture He citeth Amos 2 12. Behold I am pressed under you as a cart is pressed that is full of sheafs And what can this Metaphorical expression say that may be read as it is on the margine I will presse your place as a cart full of sheafs is pressed as Iunius Tremellius render it with the Dutch or as Munster behold I raise a pressure like a cart made lean when full of sheaves or as the old Tygurin version Behold I shall straiten you in your place as a cart full of sheafs is straitned or as Arias Montanus Behold I make a seige in your place like as a Cart is besieged being full of sheafs By all which wee see this is no nearer to his purpose then East is to West Then he tels us that Christ is crucified in wicked folks Which we look upon as a non-sensical dream But he addeth for a kinde of confirmation that Paul writting to the Corinthians and Galatians speaks of Christs being crucified in them 1 Cor. 2 2 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Ans. But what can this import as to such as never heard of Christ Or as to the whole World 2. It is true Paul sayes 1 Cor. 2 2. that he desired to know nothing among the Corinthians a people rich in knowledge and gifts but Christ and him crucified that is The maine thing he drave at and desired was to have them acquanted savingly and practically with a crucified mediator for this he preferred to all other knowledge that would not humble and bring to a true Christian deportment but would rather puff up and lead away from the practice of Christianity 3. Whereas he looketh to the particle 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 as if that alwaies were to be rendered in that taken properly too which is variously rendered sometimes by Heb. 11 2. Luk. 4 1. sometimes at Rom. 8 34. Ephes. 3 13. sometimes with or among Rom. 1 12 29. 16 17. Luk. 16 15 16. sometimes with Rom. 15 35 Ephes. 6 2. 4. Paul also rebuking the Galatians who had so soon suffered themselves to be bewitched from the truth of the Gospel useth this as an aggravation of their guilt to enforce his challenge Chap. 3 1. he saith that Iesus Christ had been evidently set forth and crucified among them that is that the Gospel had been so plainely and fully preached unto them that they could no more pretend ignorance thereof than if they had seen all drawn and purtrayed on tables before their eyes And though this sense import of the words be so obvious and plaine that he who runneth may read it yet behold how this Quaker dar pervert and wrest the plaine meaning of the Spirit of the Lord contrary to the very Scope and Intendment of the plaee for thus he paraphraseth it The Apostle desired to know this Iesus Christ in them and to manifest him to them that they being made sensible how they had crucified Christ might repent and be saved As if the Apostle had bin ignorant of this Christ in them if so be that he was in all and every one of Adam's posterity and as if none of those the Apostle wrote unto had been beleevers and penitent though he accounted them sanctified in Christ Iesus 1 Cor 1 2. and such as had the grace of God given to them by Iesus Christ vers 4. and were enriched by him in all utterance and in all knowledge vers 5. See also vers 6 7 8 9. What he speaketh of Christ's being the Light is impertinent here 20. In the Sixt place Pag. 87. § 16. He would faine make us beleeve that by this divine Principle they do not understand any part of Mans Nature or any relicques of good left after the fall But the reason he giveth betrayeth him bewrayeth his ignorance or worse for the saith that they make this principle distinct from the Soul and its faculties And what then The light of Nature and of Common honesty and the knowledge of some things of that kinde is neither Soul nor Faculty and yet it is no grace nor any thing but Nature some Reliques or rubbish of the old building And forsooth to make us think that he is no Socinian nor Pelagian he tels us againe that the Light he speaketh of is not only different from the Soul and its Faculties but is of another Nature as if the Socinians Reason and the Pelagians Nature or Grace could not also be distinguished from the Soul and its faculties The acts and exercise of the Faculties is not the same with the soul or with the faculties of the soul themselves no more than seeing or hearing is the same with the eye eare But he addeth That meer rationality cannot savingly understand any thing in things spiritual yea is a great impediment thereof and enemy thereto And the same we say of the Seed and Principle he talketh of and saith is in all men though he give it goodly names and call
members for then all Church-members must be Officers seing with him all Church members must be thus qualified If the last be his meaning Whether thinks he this qualification essential or not that is so necessary that one that wanteth it cannot be accounted a Pastor neither before God nor before men neither in foro poli nor in foro soli Againe I would enquire what he meaneth by this qualification if we interprete it by his former doctrine why we may not Yea must not do so I know not this will be a good qualification for a Pagan-preacher but no qualification for a Gospel-minister for it is nothing else than the power efficacy of Natures Light of a Natural Conscience informing enlightning concerning duties required by the Law of nature it hath no affinity with the sanctifying Spirit of Christ promised in the New covenant bestowed upon the elect and chosen vessels of mercy and principling the beleever to new obedience Howbeit this might suffice for an answere Yet I shall say more to clear the matter unto the Reader I confess holiness is required of Gospel ministers The Apostle tels us Tit. 1 8. that he must be a lover of good men or of good things as it is in the margine sober just holy temperate And he must be blameless Tit. 1 7. 1 Tim. 3 2. vigilant sober and of good behaviour ibid And therefore all who are to be imployed in the examination tryal of ministers should be careful in the searching after this as well as in the tryal of their gifts and other qualifications and when clear and manifest evidences appear of their hatred of good things and of the godly of their insobriety injustice unholiness intemperance want of vigilancy and of their evil behaviour they ought to be laid aside from that holy function as well as when their want of gifts of other requisite qualifications clearly appeareth Yea if there be not some positive probable evidences of this love and of seriousness in the maters of God giving faire probable ground of concluding them to be faithful men they ought not to commit the word unto them See all this fully cleared and confirmed by worthy and learned Mr Durham in his exposition of the Revelation Pag. 198. c. Yet because grace the saving workings of the Spirit are latent hid in the heart there is no outward signe evidence thereof whereby others can certainly or infallibly discerne and judge of the same in all so hid that the man in whom it is is more privie to his owne spirit heart than others can be will not alwayes be in case to discerne the same I dar not say that the reall being of grace is such a qualification as that the want thereof shall render the man no minister and all his performances null before God or man though the person being a real stranger to grace can expect no acceptance of God through Jesus Christ for what he doth Christ's imploying of Iudas in the ministry will sufficiently verify this and I need say no more See Mr Durham in the place cited 6. What addeth he For saith he seing true knowledge in things spiritual is received by this gift and grace he that is purified and sanctified by the same is at length also called by it and moved to ministrate to others and is made capable of showing to others what by real experience he hath himself found 2 Cor. 5 11. And his words and ministry proceeding from inward power and vertue penetrat into the hearts of the hearers and obtaine their approbation and subjection Ans. 1. This gift and grace being but natural and Pelagian as was shown above can never give true knowledge in things spiritual saving and evangelick 2. Nor can it ever purifie and sanctifie a man according to the Gospel whatever it may do as to outward civility and morality 3. Qualifications are no call 4. Then it seemes there is no Outward call requisite and so this man joyneth with Socinians and Arminians laying aside all outward call by men as not necessary in the Church of God and saying that all who understand the truth of the Gospel and are able to Instruct others may and have a right to teach See Smalcius Pag. 379. though Pag. 377. he confesseth that this outward call is decent and comely in a constitute Church which this man doth no where acknowledge See also Apol. Remonstr Cap. 21. and Episcop disput 26. privat Thes. 4. 5. 5. Every motion to tell others what we know in the things of God is not a call to the Work and Office of the Ministry See Psal. 66 16. privat persons in their private capacities may and ought to seek to promove the edification of others 1 Pet. 4 10 11. 6. Is this telling of what they have found in their owne experience the whole work of the Ministrie Or is this the preaching of the Gospel The divideing of the word of truth 2 Tim. 2 15. Is this speaking exhorting and rebuking with all authority Tit. 2 15 Is this be seaching as Ambassadours in the name of God and in Christ's stead 2 Cor. 5 19 20 Is this that which Paul layeth upon Timothie 2 Tim. 4 1 2. I charge thee before God and the Lord Iesus Christ who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his Kingdom Preach the word be instant in season out of season reprove rebuke exhort with all long-suffering and doctrine Or that which we ●inde 1 Tim. 4 13 14 15 16. Give attendance to reading to exhortation to doctrine Neglect not the gift that is in thee which was given thee by prophecy with the laying on of the hands of the presbytery Meditate upon these things give thy self wholly to them take heed unto thy self and unto the doctrine continue in them For in doing this thou shalt both save thy self and them that hear thee But I should have remembered that these men are against Preaching 7. Some may think that by this gift and grace which he mentioneth he can mean at most nothing but what the Papists call gratia gratis data and which is different from gratia gratum faciens but I see no ground to judge him so orthodox 7. He goeth about to prove that this qualification is absolutely necessary and his first argument is thus That which is necessary to make a man Christian is much more necessary to make one a Minister of Christianity But this inward call power vertue of the Spirit is necessary to make a man a Christian. Therefore c. Ans. This argument is easily answered by a distinction thus That which is necessary to make a man a Real Upright and Sincere Christian or true member of the Invisible Church is also necessary to make a man a sincere and upright Minister before God and approven of him in what he doth but is not simply and absolutely necessary to make one a Minister before