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A28893 An answer to Doctor Good (so called) his Dialogue against those call'd Quakers wherein he hath forged the Quaker and confuted himself, which dialogue of Tho. Good's is in his book intituled Firmianus and Dubitantius, or certain dialogues concerning atheism, infidelity, popery, and other heresies and schisms, which trouble the peace of the Church &c. / by Edward Bourn. Bourne, Edward, d. 1708. 1675 (1675) Wing B3845; ESTC R27869 17,048 26

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justified by Faith in Christ Jesus which the Work of Faith which works by Love is not denyed by the Apostle nor us if thou denyest that thy Faith is dead Further thou say'st that we say That a State of Perfection and Freedom from Sin is attainable in this Life Answ Do we err in holding that a State of Perfection and Freedom from Sin is attainable in this Life Did not God say to Abraham I am Almighty God walk before me and be thou perfect Gen. 17. 1. And did not Christ say in his Sermon in the Mount Be you therefore Perfect as your Father which is in Heaven is perfect And art thou of that Faith and Belief that God and Christ doth command us to do that which we cannot by his Help and Assistance do 'T is true we cannot keep the Commands of Christ of our selves but by his Assistance we are able to do the same else why did the Apostle say I can do all Things through Christ that strengthneth me And did not the Saints know a Freedom from Sin in this Life Friend I tell thee if thou say'st a Freedom from Sin is not attainable in this Life thou must deny the Scriptures of Truth and give the Apostle the Lye for doth not the Apostle say to the Romans But now being made free from Sin and become Servants to God ye have your Fruit unto Holiness and the End Everlasting Life Rom. 6. 22. And doth not the Apostle say concerning himself For the Law of the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the Law of Sin and Death Therefore stop thy Mouth for Shame from speaking of those Things which thou ought'st not and thy Pen from so writing concerning us certainly God will judge thee for thy Lyes and Slanders against us Thou say'st That our Positions are contrary to the sacred Scriptures but by this thy Evil Work it appeareth that thou art contrary to the Scriptures and not we who hast manifested thy Ignorance of what the Scriptures say and hast appeared contrary to what thy self hast learned in thy young Dayes and since for ought that I know to the contrary hast caused others to learn viz. That when thou camest to Age thou wouldst according to what was promised and vowed in thy stead by thy God-fathers and God-mothers in thy Baptism so called forsake the Devil and all his Works And if thou hast not learned thus not caused any thus to learn I am sure that I and many more were caused thus to learn in our youthful Dayes I believe however thou ownest thy self a Member of that Church that teacheth thus to say though not to do and so thou may'st be a Sayer of the Word but not a Doer of it but now thou art neither Sayer nor Doer and so in that Estate can'st not be justified of God for as thou hast doubtless read in the Scriptures It is not the Sayers of the Word that are justified but the Doers of it Now he that forsakes the Devil and all his Works he must cease from all Sin and abstain from every Appearance of Evil for all Sin is of the Devil Again we say say'st thou That there is a Light in every Man sufficient to guide him to Salvation Answ Is it an Errorth us to hold seeing John saith speaking of Christ That is the true Light which lighteth every Man that cometh into the World And hath not God given his Son Christ Jesus for a Light to the Gentiles that he might be his Salvation unto the Ends of the Earth And doth not the Apostle say For God who commanded the Light to shine out of Darkness hath shined in our Hearts to give the Light of the Knowledge of the Glory of God in the Face of Jesus Christ and see John 14. 26. 16. 7 8 9 10 11 12 13. Consider of these Scriptures and then tell us whether it be any Error to hold that there is a Light in every Man sufficient to guide him unto Salvation or to hold the contrary and so whether it is not thou that errst from Scripture and the true and right Way of the Lord and not we Again say'st thou We hold that the Scripture is not the Word of God or a standing Rule of Faith and Manners Answ We own the Scriptures to be what they speak of themselves according to Luke's Preface where he writes of the Gospel c. But the Word is God if John wrote the Truth which we believe he did as thou may'st see John 1. 1. And I hope thou wilt not presume to say to the contrary but we own the Scriptures that which Holy Men spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost to be the Words of God and that which was the Saints Rule we own to be our Rule as the Scriptures testifie thereof see John 16. 13. c. and Tit. 2. 11 12. But thou manifests thy self to be contrary to the Rule both of Scripture and Spirit that does by thy Neighbours and Country-men as thou would'st not be done by Again thou say'st That we hold that there is no Resurrection of the Dead Answ We do own the Resurrection of the Dead according to the Scriptures as thou may'st see 1 Cor. 15. 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 c. And further see Ver. 29. 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38. c. So I say we own the Resurrection of the Dead according to the Scriptures and if thou hold'st it otherwise it is thou that errest therein and not we Again thou say'st We hold there is no need of Ordinances as Baptism and the Lord's Supper Answ We own that Baptism that 's according to the Scriptures but not that which is contrary to them which is according to the Traditions and Inventions of Men and the Supper of the Lord we own according to the Scriptures though not such a Supper which some take before Dinner and call it the Lord's Supper So be humbled before the Lord and repent of the Wrong thou hast done us herein Again we hold say'st thou That 't is Vnlawful to take an Oath before a Magistrate upon any Account whatsoever Answ Is it an Error in us to keep the Commandment of Christ herein who saith Swear not at all and the Commandment of the Apostle who saith But above all Things my Brethren swear not see Mat. 5. 33 34 35 36 37. Jam. 5. 12. Friend was it not commanded by Christ and his Apostle that we should not swear at all no not by any Oath And what must we err for doing according to Christ's Commands herein Oh sad that one who taketh upon him to be a Minister of Christ should hold to the contrary and teach others so Friend repent of those Things and do so no more that these Words of Christ may not come to pass concerning thee viz. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least Commandments and shall teach Men so to do he shall