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A27139 The true Christ owned in a few plain words of truth, by way of reply to all such professors or profane who lay to the charge the elect people of God called Quakers that they deny the bloud of Christ, and his body, and resurrection, and that they deny the Lord that brought them, and trample the blood of the Covenant under their feet ... / by William Bayly. Bayly, William, d. 1675. 1667 (1667) Wing B1542; ESTC R25915 15,895 23

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THE True Christ Ovvned IN A few Plain Words of Truth by way of Reply to all such Professors or Profane who lay to the charge of the Elect People of God called Quakers That they deny the Bloud of Christ and his Body and Resurrection and that they deny the Lord that bought them and trample the Blood of the Covenant under their feet This is the great Out-cry in the Mouthes of such as know not what they say nor whereof they affirm lifting up their Voices like the unbelieving Jews of Heresie and Blasphemy against us and all this is because we answer not their Wils and the Imaginations of their dark mind but according to the Manifestation of God in every mans Conscience as the true Apostles and Ministers of Christ did and according to the Scriptures of Truth which Holy Men of God spake forth as they were moved by the Holy Ghost as will plainly appear to all whose Eye the Lord hath opened which may give much satisfaction to such as sincerely desire to know the Truth as it is in Jesus and walk in it for whose sake and the Vindication of the Truth and People of God is this written By WILLIAM BAYLY London Printed in the Year 1667. The Preface READER who ever thou art consider seriously that the things of God and the true knowledge of them are of deep and weighty concernment and there are but few in comparison that have attained to the true and right knowledge of the Mysteries of his everlasting Kingdom notwithstanding their great noise and talk of Profession the things that truly belong to their peace are hid from their Eyes and their House is desolate and so will remain till they are turned from the Darkness to the Light of Christ which shines in their hearts as it is written God who commanded Light to shine out of darkness hath also shined in our hearts to give us the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the Face of Jesus Christ Mark here what gives the true knowledge of the things of God which the natural man understands not because they are spiritually discerned it is the Light which shines in the hearts of people which is the Maifestation of the Spirit of God given to every man to profit withal and except people be turned to this and learn of it they can never be profited in the Way and Worship and true Knowledge of God Therefore while People are from th Gift of God in them they put Light for Darkness and Darkness for Light And so if thou wouldst have a clear and right understanding of these things and be fully satisfied in thy own mind concerning them thou must wait in the Light of the Lord Jesus Christ for Counsel and Instruction for no man can know the things of God but by the Spirit of God who giveth his Holy Spirit to them that rightly ask it of him to which I shall leave thee to be led into the right understanding hereof that the things belonging to thy Souls peace may not be hid from thee The First Query and Charge 1. DO you Quakers own that Blood of Christ which was shed without the Gates of Jerusalem upon the Cross which when the Souldier thrust in his Spear forthwith there came Water and Blood and they that saw it bare Record that this was visible Blood which came out of the side of the visible Man Christ Do you own Justification by this Blood which was visible which we do believe you do not For we could never hear you directly answer us to this matter but evade it by other terms and shuffle it off not daring to shew your Faith and Principle in this particular so that we conclude and publish that you are them that deny Justification alone by the visible Blood of the visible Man Christ that was born of the Virgin Mary Thus said Matthew Caffen Answer As for the word visible Blood and visible Man which thou so much talkest of in this kind they are terms quite beside the Language of the Scriptures of Truth or else I am very ignorant of such Translations But we do as really own our Justification by the Blood of Jesus Christ the onely begotten Son of God as the Apostles and Saints of old did without any evasion or shuffling according to their very meaning and plain Declaration who said If we are in the Light as he is in the Light then have we fellowship one with another mark in what their fellowship was Is yours in the Light and the Blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin 1 John 1.7 You may see here is nothing mentioned of the word visible And again John 6.53 Then Jesus said unto them Verily verily I say unto you Except ye eat the Flesh of the Son of Man and drink his Blood ye have no Life in you Whoso eateth my Flesh and drinketh my Blood hath Eternal Life and I will raise him up at the last day For my Flesh is meat indeed and my Blood is drink indeed He that eateth my Flesh and drinketh my Blood dwelleth in me and I in him c. These words of Truth we own and witness but your word visible Flesh and visible Blood which you would strain us up to express to answer your wills and dark imaginations we do not read from Christ nor his Apostles in all the Scriptures So we desire all People to take notice of the ground these People have to say we deny the Blood of Christ for because I did not answer Matthew Caffen in a late Discourse about these things in the express tearm visible it being not according to the form of sound words he therefrom concluded that we deny the Blood of Christ that we do not own justification by it who might as well conclude the same of Paul and the rest of the Apostles and Ministers of Christ as of us for not using the word visible when they express the Flesh and Blood of Christ yea of Christ himself who leaves out that expression which they so much contend about and on the contrary saith The Flesh profits nothing it s the Spirit gives Life John 6.62 63. Then tell me O ye Professors of Christ's and his Apostles words who say they are your Rule What is that Flesh that is meat indeed And what is that Flesh that profits nothing seeing both are the words of Truth And again take the words of Peter a Minister of the Word which endureth for ever to the Elect that were scattered throughout several Places 1 Pet. 1.18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye are not redeemed with corruptible things as Silver and Gold from your vain conversation received by tradition from your Fathers but with the precious Blood of Christ as of a Lamb without blemish and without spot Why do you not here find fault with Peter for not using the word visible instead of precious which was my term several times to thee and thy Companions in that