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A40227 The papists strength, principles, and doctrines (which they are sworn to preach, from the Councel of Trent, by the Popes authority, and after confirmed by the last General Assembly at Rouen, 1571, all which they have sworn to perform) answered and confuted furthermore their principles and doctrines answered and confuted, as they were laid down in two or three severall papers, by R.W. papist, lately sent from Holland : also a challenge to the pope and all his adherents to choose out of all his dominions some cardinals, fryers, or Jesuits to try their bread and wine, after consecration (by watching on their side and on our side) to prove that if afterward they have consecrated it, whether the bread and wine doth not loose its taste and savour, and so not the body and blood of Christ : also a paper to all them that fast and afflict themselves who are in the will-worship and voluntary humility : also some quæries to all the papists upon earth to be answered in writing and sent to them, which all sects upon the earth call Quakers / by George Fox. Fox, George, 1624-1691.; Howgill, Francis, 1618-1669. 1658 (1658) Wing F1877; ESTC R3577 83,037 105

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of many generations is raised up You may fast from meats and drinks for dayes and observe meats and afflict your selves the envious man the man-slayers do thus which would kill and murther and slay in the heart Now this is not the Fast which is required of God but of men while the bond of iniquity is standing whilst strife and debate is do you not make vowes from the Marriage Is not then the cause you so do in the doctrine of the Devils and the forbidding of meats which ought to be used with praise and thanksgiving The Fast of the Lord is coming to be known that he requires which break● the bond of iniquity which is the foundation of many generations and the marriage of the Lamb many are come to know and enjoy the presence of the Bridegroom where they do not fast where they come into the wisdome of God by which all the creatures were created with which they come to use and order the creatures of God to his glory and sees the Kingdome out of meats out of drinks out of the observation of dayes above meats and drinks Your leaders have caused you to erre envy and wickedness hath been in them strong which is by the power of the Lord God comprehended and judged whose sacrifices God hath no respect to who be in envy in Cains way man-slayer● therefore haste out of the old life and come to witnesse the chast Virgin which follows the Lamb that to him you may be married and joyned all ye poor captivated ones for the Lord is come and coming to exalt the kingdome of his Son whose Standard shall stand over all the earth and Nations shall be ruled by his Rod of Iron come to know strife ceased and envy ceased and selfishnesse ceased and pride ceased and wickednesse and wilfulness ceased and envy and plots and murther ceased and the bond of Iniquity for this is that which will and doth deceive the simple-hearted for the Lord God with his power is come to redeem Who inlightneth every one that cometh into the world that all men through the light might believe whose day is appearing and glory is revealed So now every one of you that be come into the world having a light from Christ the Saviour of your souls from whence it comes Now this you that be enlightned withal it lets you see your sins you have done as thoughts you think and words you speak and actions you act and wayes you walk with the same light that lets you see this which comes from Christ the Saviour of your souls who hath all power in heaven and in earth given to him the same will give you power to come out of your sins And there you come to receive the Covenant of God Christ Jesus who hath given you the light to see sin he it is that takes away sin and blots out sinne and transgression And now every one of you this is the word of the Lord God to you all heed the light that you are enlightned withall with that you will feel your Saviour for the light lets you see sin the same blots it out the same is the covenant of God the same gives power for all power in heaven and in earth is given to the Son who is to rule and subdue to himselfe all the powers of darknesse and wickednesse The light which you be enlightned withal lets you see your deeds you have done your words you have spoke your ways you have walked in your actions you have acted the same will give you power to stand against your sin and there is the teacher and the same will condemn all of you hating the light which is Christ which hath enlightned you withal and if you go on still in wickednesse the same will become your condemnation at the last Remember when you are in your wickednesse and upon your death beds you were warned in your life-time and this light will let you see when evill thoughts get up in you and evill affections and evill desires and check you and reprove you if you love it and heed it when you are walking up and down when you are fitting still by your selves secretly it will bring you to think upon God and when you are walking up and down abroad yet it is present with you there will be your teacher there will be your condemnation if you hate it The light of Christ who saith Learn of me I am the way the truth and the life This is my beloved son heare you him And there is no way to the Father but by him who doth enlighten every man that comes into the world him by whom it was made all the sons of Adam drove from God in transgression Christ the second Adam the way to God who is the way and the life But man being drove from God from life and from truth so Christ is the truth man being drove from God from Gods righteousness so Christ is Gods righteousnesse drove from God from his wisdome So in a wisdome that is below earthly sensuall and devillish drove from God from his glory there is the first Adams state in the disobedience but Christ the second Adam the obedience the Lord from heaven who doth enlighten every man that cometh into the world The light that shineth in his heart which Christ enlightneth him withall it must give him the knowledge of the glory of God and this brings him from things that are seen that are temporall the light that shineth in his heart that gives the light of the knowledge of the glory of God with it brings to know all things that be eternall And the Lord is coming to teach his people himself and to bring them of all the worlds teachers and ways to Christ the way And the Lord is coming to break all in pieces that are gathered and are a gathering but not with the power of his Son and with the life of his Prophets and his Apostles such will he break to pieces and dismiss the assemblies who is come and will gather his people with his spirit into the life the Prophets were in Christ and the Apostles were in they shall come to live in the power of an endlesse life and the world where there is no end is known where there is the hungring no more and the thirsting no more the government of him is manifest where there is no end and the Kingdome and the Throne of Christ is exalted So all that afflict your selves and torment your selves and fast and observe days and meats by the commandement of men and not by the commands of God and doctrines of men and wills of men Consider the power of the Creator and come to the witnesse of God in you to the light which Christ lighteth you withall which is the covenant with you A God which breaks all other covenants when you come to the Light all the covenants you have made with men with Death must be broken and will be broken
have no such speech among you Catholicks But is without which is your bread and wine and are not all Murtherers Persecutors Prisoners Whippers Burners Inquisitioners Sectaries and Apostates from the Apostles and sacrificers from that nature Cain was in and not from the divine natu●e and the faith of the Son of God and the Apostles and Abel Have you the spirit of Christ Is any of the Church but who are of Abraham Is any of the Church of Christ but who are of the flesh of Christ Is any of Faith but who are of Abraham And is not faith a myst●ry a perfect gift of God and is not this faith held in a pure conscience And can any ones conscience which is not pure hold this faith of Gods elect wch is the mystery and doth not this faith give victory over the nature in man and woman that doth p●rtain to Idols an● Images made with mans hands and in the wills of men in Jewes Gentiles Apostates from the Apostles since their dayes come up And doth not the faith give victory over all the Jewes changeable Types Offerings Temples Tythes Priests Covenant Hath the Lord put his law into your minds that you need not say unto your neighbour and writ it in your heart that you need not say unto one another Know the Lord For from the greatest of you to the least of you ye all know the Lord Hath God commanded the light to shine out of darknesse and doth it shine in your hearts And then mark dot● that li●ht that shines in your heart mark again give you the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ Cor. 2.4 Are you them that doth take heed to the light that shines in the dark place Is the day-star risen in your hearts that Peter speaks of Is the ingrafted word which is able to save the soule felt in you And the hidden man of the heart which is with the Lord a great price Are you them that are no wearers of gold or costly array Are you them that exercise Lordship one over another like unto the Gentiles or are you like unto the Apostles which Christ said it should not be so amongst them Are you like to the Pharisees called of men M●ster laying heavy burdens upon the people and go in long Robes chiefest seats in the assemblies and loves salutations and uppermost rooms at Feasts which Christ said unto his be ye not so And where do you read Mr. Paul Mr. Titus and Mr. Timothy c. Are you the ●rue believers that are ceased from their own works as God did from his Are you come out of the law of works to the law of faith Is your consciences purged from dead works to serve the living God Are you those Children that needs no man to teach you but as the same an●inting abides in you and as it doth teach ye shall continue in the Son of God and the father Or are you the Seducers Sects and Hereticks that draws people from the anointing within and so men teachers Are you them that keep your selves from Idols that John speaks of Are you of the seed of the woman that keeps the commands of God Are you the children of the Lord that are taught of him that are farre from oppression Are you ceased from men whose breath is in their nostrils that the Prophet speaks of Are ye them that tremble at the Word of God Are you them that obey the word of faith in your hearts in your mouths and that saith the righteousnesse of faith speaks on this wise you need not say you need not fetch it from above or from beneath but what saith it The word is nigh thee in thy heart and in thy mouth to obey it and do it Is this a sectary or out of sectaries Are ye of them that make images or likenesses of Males and Females things in heaven above and earth beneath and bows down unto them wch corrupts themselves with them and corrupts the earth Are you of them that saith The kingdome of heaven is within you Have you found it in you Or are you like unto the Pharisees gazing for it abroad without you Is God the author of your faith and is it in your hearts and doth it purifie you Are the professors the greater persecutors that hath the form out of the faith out of the life of them that be of the faith and life then the Gentiles whether have been greater in all ages judge ye Have you found the pearl hid in the field Are you the Merchant man that hath made an exchange and purchased it Do you speak only as the Holy Ghost moves you as they that gave forth Scriptures Are you led by the same spirit and power that the A●ostles were Do you speak but as the spirit gives you utterance and are you them that do not quench the spirit Are you them that owns prophesies immediately as the Apostles and Revelation and Inspiration from God as they had Have you heard Gods voyce and Christs voyce immediately from heaven as the Prophets and A●ostles did What is the tree of Knowledge and what is the flaming Sword that keeps the tree of Life And what are the inwardly raveners and what is it they ravened from And what are the false Prophets and Antichrists that have got the sheeps cloathing which Christ said should come and John saw they were come And in the Revelation The world went after them And what is the Sea the Beast rose out of and what is the Beast and what is the second Beast that rose out of the earth and what is the earth he should deceive with his miracles and what are his miracles And all that dwell upon the earth should worship him because of his miracles And what are his names marks horns and heads crowns and images and what is the woman that fled into the wildernesse and what is the Whore that hath corrupted the Earth and what did she whore from which hath made the Inhabitants of the earth drunk And what are these Kings that have committed fornication with her And what is the cup of fornication that all Nations have drunk of And what is mystery-Babylon that reigns over the Kings of the earth and what is the Whore the false Prophets weapons Antichrists the Dragons that fight against the Saints withal And what are the Lambs weapons and the Saints that they fight withal and what Peoples Nations Multitudes Tongues are those that John says are waters that the Whore sits upon and what are those Saints that the Beast overcame and who are they which then the Beast had the power over all Kindreds Tongues and Nations and are not these things got up since the dayes of the Apostles And whether or no the Lamb and the Saints shall not have the victory over them all again and whether or no the Saints must not come to that which they ravened from before they have victory over all that which
hath reigned since the days of the Apostles and whether or no the spirits of people hath not separated from since the dayes of the Apostles which they were in and is not that the cause that all Nations are brought into Sects and heaps and lost their unity with God and the Scriptures with which spirit they learned of God the Father of spirits that gave forth Scripture are you come unto the spirits of just men made perfect to the Church in God the Father the Judge of all What Scripture have you for taking Tythes and where did the Apostles take tythes so that denyed the first Priest-hood and witnessed Christ the sum the change of the Law by which the Priesthood was made And the disannulling of the commandement that gave tythes and are not you transgressors and made your selves transgressors that have set up these things the Apostles threw down And where did the Apostle take tythes and what is the first principle of pure Religion and what is the soul of man And have you not lost the Crosse of Christ which the Scripture saith is the power of God and hath set up Crosse● of wood and stone on the end of your Steeple-houses and do take bread and wine on the day-time which Christ took at night What is the light what is the word what is the Gospel what Scripture have you for sprinkling Infants Are you them that have heard and learned of God which Christ saith them that have heard and learned of God comes to the Son Have you seen the shape of God are you them that God speaks to by his Son who is heir of all things upholding all things by his word and power Is your Church the Church that is in God have you heard of the Father seeing it is written ye shall all be taught of God Are you not them that looks at things that are seen for things that are seen are temporall the things that are not seen are eternall Are not Images Idols Pictures Reliques Bones pieces of Cloath things that are ●een and temporall Answer these Queries in writing and send them to the people who are scornfully called Quakers in England by all the sects of the earth Shall a man whiles he is upon the earth be made free from sin and be made perfect and the body of sin put off And what Scripture have you for consecrating bread and wine and where did the Apostles so Will you try your Church by the Scripture of truth and measure your selves by the Apostles Declaration and venture your selves to be tryed and judged by them that the spirit of truth led them to speak forth And what is the Wine-presse that was troden without the City and whether you bid every man examine himselfe whether Christ be in him except he be a reprobate And whether or no you are as the Apostles who preached Christ in them the hope of glory warning every man that you may present every man perfect in him in Christ Jesus To prove the Papists Church to be a false Church contrary to the Apostles and that they are wolves which Christ said should come which are inwardly ravening Ye have the sheeps cloathing and are the false Prophets that should arise according to Christs words that should shew lying signes wonders which if it were possible should deceive the very elect and should say Loe Christ is here and loe Christ is there Do not you tell people that he is in the bread and that he is in the wine and tell them that he is in the chamber and that he is in the desert where you put the bread and the wine is not there Christ cannot you put him in the cup-board and in the chamber and in the desert cannot you put and tell people he is there And have you not the sheeps cloathing but are you not ravening wolves inwardly ravening from the spirit of God So doth not your fruits appear contrary to the Church of God For have not you fulfilled the Scriptures having the sheeps cloathing but inwardly are the ravening wolves Have not you ravened wearied and destroyed and killed many hundreds and have you not your holes and Gaols which you call Inquisitions which you put them in are you like the Church in this Did ever Lambs and the sheep weary and tear them to pieces and then carry them into dens and make wracks and tortures for poor creatures or for the wolves either Did ever the sheep destroy the wolves Now which doth your fruits make you appear to be the sheep or the wolves judge your selves by the Scriptures Now let all people judge you all that be in the wolvish nature that are not sheep no more then you So Christ calls them wolves inwardly ravening from the spirit of God these Christ said should come and they have come up since the dayes that Christ said they should come And the Apostle saith in Acts 20. That after his departure grievous wolves should enter in among them not sparing the flocke which should arise from among themselves speaking perverse things drawing many Disciples after them Now have not you Papists risen since the dayes of the Apostles and you know the Apostles did not prison persecute devour any but the wolves should do it Now these rise among the Saints that should not spare the flock mark make havock of the flock to devour and destroy the flock Now we remember that Christ told of you and of these things and the Apostle tells of these things 1 John 2. said it was the last time then Whereas they had heard that Antichrist should come even now there are many Antichrists and false prophets come into the world 2 Cor. 11.13 14 15. Paul speaking there of cutting off occasion For as much as false prophets deceitful workers transforming themselves into the Apostles of Christ no marvel for Satan himself transformed himselfe and his Ministers transforming as the Ministers of righteousness Now this the Apostle saw come up among the Corinthians before his decease So now again you may see Satans Ministers they are murtherers and his Angels they are murtherers Now the Apostle said he out off the occasion he did not cut off the outward bodies of people as you do and the Apostles were persecuted whipped and beat now you see that you are whippers persecutors and beaters and though you persecute one another which have the name of Christians yet are not the sheep nor the Ministers or true Apostles nor the true Church And when the true Ministers and Apostles saw that these false Apostles should come and Ministers of Satan should tran●form themselves into Angels of light he brings them to the light that shined in their hearts them that would give them the knowledge of God in the face of Jesus Christ 2 Cor. 4. And are not you as bad as the Jews who killed the Lord Jesus Christ and their own Prophets who kill the Prophets that are sent among you 2 Thes. 2. And