have_v be_v damn_v notwithstanding_o absolute_a necessity_n know_v no_o dispensation_n but_o therefore_o he_o produce_v a_o text_n for_o absolute_a necessity_n st._n john_n the_o 3.5_o except_o a_o man_n be_v bear_v of_o water_n and_o of_o the_o spirit_n he_o can_v enter_v into_o the_o kingdom_n of_o heaven_n ans_fw-fr if_o we_o compare_v this_o verse_n with_o the_o three_o we_o need_v not_o make_v any_o other_o construction_n then_o of_o a_o necessity_n of_o be_v bear_v from_o above_o neither_o be_v it_o likely_a that_o christ_n will_v have_v speak_v no_o otherwise_o to_o nicodemus_n of_o baptism_n have_v he_o mean_v it_o so_o and_o ferus_fw-la though_o he_o speak_v of_o this_o sense_n ad_fw-la literam_fw-la yet_o have_v he_o other_o sense_n thereof_o and_o if_o it_o be_v compare_v with_o the_o other_o text_n st._n matthew_n 3.11_o you_o shall_v be_v baptize_v with_o the_o holy_a ghost_n and_o with_o fire_n as_o that_o text_n be_v to_o be_v understand_v by_o a_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 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he_o himself_o intend_v no_o more_o by_o his_o testimony_n dr._n tayler_n and_o other_o and_o therefore_o he_o absolve_v i_o himself_o but_o i_o can_v absolve_v he_o from_o ignorance_n in_o the_o elench_v this_o do_v not_o contradict_v i_o who_o do_v dispute_v now_o against_o a_o absolute_a necessity_n which_o he_o must_v maintain_v or_o else_o in_o this_o he_o come_v short_a of_o his_o design_n and_o also_o that_o that_o allowance_n of_o baptism_n of_o infant_n after_o it_o be_v do_v do_v not_o infer_v a_o absolute_a necessity_n of_o their_o be_v damn_v in_o the_o judgement_n of_o the_o father_n if_o they_o be_v not_o baptise_a if_o they_o will_v take_v mr._n hooker_n opinion_n for_o all_o let_v they_o consult_v he_o in_o his_o 5._o b._n 33._o p._n where_o he_o say_v i_o know_v there_o be_v many_o sentence_n find_v in_o the_o book_n and_o writing_n of_o the_o ancient_a father_n to_o prove_v both_o ecclessiastical_a and_o moral_a defect_n in_o the_o minister_n of_o baptism_n a_o bar_n to_o the_o heavenly_a benefit_n thereof_o now_o in_o layman_n i_o trow_v there_o be_v ecclesiastical_a defect_n for_o there_o be_v a_o defect_n in_o not_o be_v ecclesiastical_a and_o therefore_o whether_o other_o mistake_v the_o father_n either_o in_o the_o point_n of_o fact_n or_o in_o the_o reason_n of_o that_o allowance_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d but_o he_o give_v i_o a_o syllogism_n which_o we_o will_v not_o neglect_v because_o it_o be_v very_o rare_a with_o he_o he_o dispute_v upon_o my_o distinction_n of_o necessity_n thus_o this_o precept_n be_v necessary_o to_o be_v fulfil_v this_o precept_n be_v not_o plain_o set_v down_o in_o scripture_n therefore_o all_o necessary_a point_n be_v not_o plain_o set_v down_o in_o scripture_n this_o have_v the_o face_n but_o not_o the_o form_n of_o a_o syllogism_n but_o to_o pass_v that_o we_o answer_v therefore_o that_o this_o syllogism_n do_v not_o conclude_v contradictory_o to_o the_o state_n of_o the_o question_n which_o be_v whether_o 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whatsoever_o be_v necessary_o infer_v from_o the_o scripture_n be_v bind_v in_o the_o virtue_n of_o the_o principle_n why_o so_o because_o he_o say_v because_o you_o can_v show_v that_o this_o precept_n give_v to_o the_o parent_n be_v necessary_o infer_v out_o of_o scripture_n so_o now_o he_o be_v upon_o the_o minor_a of_o the_o former_a syllogism_n he_o will_v then_o prove_v it_o by_o a_o negative_a induction_n not_o out_o of_o the_o institution_n of_o our_o saviour_n for_o he_o also_o institute_v the_o sacrament_n of_o the_o eucharist_n not_o necessary_a for_o infant_n ans_fw-fr first_o this_o be_v no_o argument_n it_o do_v not_o follow_v from_o the_o denial_n of_o one_o species_n to_o another_o because_o he_o do_v not_o institute_v the_o eucharist_n as_o necessary_a for_o infant_n threfore_o he_o do_v not_o institute_v the_o sacrament_n of_o baptism_n as_o necessary_a for_o infant_n 2._o they_o know_v there_o be_v not_o the_o same_o reason_n for_o the_o institution_n of_o the_o eucharist_n for_o infant_n as_o for_o the_o institution_n of_o baptism_n for_o this_o be_v administer_v to_o the_o child_n without_o its_o own_o faith_n the_o other_o be_v administer_v upon_o faith_n to_o confirmation_n 3._o if_o they_o will_v be_v rule_v by_o tradition_n and_o the_o authority_n of_o the_o church_n the_o eucharist_n be_v account_v also_o as_o necessary_a for_o infant_n now_o that_o tradition_n come_v from_o christ_n as_o his_o institution_n or_o not_o if_o it_o do_v then_o there_o be_v some_o reason_n for_o baptism_n to_o infant_n if_o not_o how_o shall_v we_o believe_v tradition_n or_o the_o authority_n of_o the_o church_n he_o proceed_v not_o out_o of_o substitution_n to_o circumcision_n for_o so_o it_o shall_v not_o be_v necessary_a to_o woman_n to_o be_v even_o with_o they_o the_o high_a priest_n be_v only_o of_o male_n the_o pope_n succeed_v the_o high_a priest_n therefore_o the_o popedom_n be_v not_o compatible_a to_o joane_n some_o of_o they_o will_v fain_o 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that_o the_o scripture_n by_o itself_o alone_o be_v to_o decide_v they_o ans_fw-fr this_o come_v not_o home_n to_o the_o point_n for_o first_o we_o go_v not_o upon_o degree_n of_o claritude_n but_o upon_o infallibility_n can_v they_o tell_v we_o how_o many_o degree_n of_o claritude_n will_v make_v infallibility_n second_o all_o our_o controversy_n be_v not_o so_o much_o as_o all_o imaginable_a controversy_n there_o be_v other_o controversy_n imaginable_a beside_o we_o three_o he_o suppose_v that_o of_o we_o which_o be_v not_o true_a of_o we_o that_o we_o affirm_v the_o scripture_n to_o decide_v our_o controversy_n formal_o which_o we_o say_v not_o we_o say_v again_o that_o for_o thing_n necessary_a to_o be_v believe_v there_o be_v no_o need_n of_o controversy_n because_o they_o be_v plain_o deliver_v for_o other_o controversy_n there_o be_v no_o need_n as_o to_o salvation_n that_o they_o shall_v be_v decide_v because_o they_o be_v not_o necessary_o to_o be_v believe_v and_o also_o 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scripture_n in_o the_o original_n be_v not_o a_o decider_n of_o controversy_n yet_o in_o latin_a it_o may_v sed_fw-la te_fw-la nos_fw-la facimus_fw-la romana_fw-la deam_fw-la coeloque_fw-la locamus_fw-la his_o text_n of_o more_o claritude_n for_o the_o church_n come_v in_o afterward_o as_o he_o say_v n._n 58_o etc._n etc._n to_o pass_v by_o here_o that_o which_o be_v not_o material_a 16._o num._n 16._o and_o also_o that_o which_o be_v speak_v of_o here_o to_o be_v manage_v by_o he_o hereafter_o in_o other_o number_n of_o this_o ch_z which_o may_v give_v we_o a_o alarm_n when_o they_o come_v near_o we_o he_o say_v here_o he_o may_v have_v add_v to_o other_o point_n necessary_a not_o plain_o decide_v by_o scripture_n that_o great_a point_n whether_o it_o be_v necessary_a to_o rebaptize_v those_o who_o be_v baptize_v by_o heretic_n and_o this_o we_o will_v not_o here_o pass_v by_o unsaluted_a because_o we_o give_v reverence_n to_o st._n augustine_n testimony_n produce_v by_o he_o upon_o 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and_o in_o order_n to_o the_o end_n either_o of_o obedience_n or_o salvation_n therefore_o second_o we_o distinguish_v of_o necessary_a it_o have_v relation_n either_o to_o duty_n or_o to_o salvation_n the_o former_a be_v the_o necessity_n of_o the_o precept_n the_o latter_a of_o the_o mean_v the_o former_a if_o suppose_v do_v not_o infer_v the_o necessity_n of_o the_o knowledge_n of_o this_o point_n because_o we_o may_v be_v save_v without_o the_o knowledge_n of_o every_o thing_n which_o be_v command_v by_o god_n by_o general_a repentance_n otherwise_o no_o man_n can_v be_v save_v for_o no_o man_n live_v know_v every_o thing_n which_o be_v command_v therefore_o invincible_a ignorance_n must_v excuse_v actual_a repentance_n now_o the_o second_o necessity_n do_v infer_v a_o neeessity_n of_o knowledge_n because_o without_o the_o knowledge_n of_o necessary_a mean_n we_o can_v obtain_v our_o end_n he_o be_v therefore_o to_o prove_v it_o necessary_a to_o salvation_n to_o know_v which_o 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