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A88838 An untaught teacher witnessed against. Or, The old bottles mouth opened, it's wine poured forth, drunk of drunkards, denyed of them who have tasted of the new. That is to say, the unsound, unseasoned, unsavory doctrines, and opinions of Matthew Caffyn, Baptist-teacher laid open, who in the county of Sussex, is cryed up to be as their battle axe, and weapon of warre, who as Jannes and Jambres rides aloft, and bestirs himself with the magick rod of his lies, slanders, aspersions, and unsound doctrines, labours to strengthen the hands of carnal professors, and to keep the beloved of God in bondage: ... Which doctrines, and unsavory speeches were received from his own mouth, part of them at a meeting of the people called Quakers, at Crowley in Sussex, others thereof at his own house neere South-water, before me and John Slee, upon the fifth day of the seventh moneth, 1655 ... / Tho: Lawson. John Slee. Lawson, Thomas, 1630-1691.; Slee, John. 1655 (1655) Wing L729; Thomason E854_12; ESTC R202688 20,795 30

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Againe Mathew Caffyn said that the Scripture doth so farr reveale God and Christ to a Creature as that he walking up to its revelation to his lives end with a single heart shall be eternally saved I answer let all who know any thing of God judge if thou do not herein shut out thy selfe both from the knowledge of the Father and the Son so art a heathen not knowing God Math. 11.27 no man knows the Son but the Father neither knows any man the Father but the Son and he to whom the Son reveals him herethou art Antichrist pulling the Crowne from off his head and giving it to the Scripture saying the Scripture reveals God and Christ c when as the Scripture saith the Son reveals the Father here thou wrests the Scripture out of its place which doth but testifie of Christ John 5.39.40 and sets it in the roome of Christ 1 Cor. 2.10 God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit for the Spirit searches all things yea the deep things of God and thou saist the Scripture reveals here thou sets the Scripture in the room of the Spirit Gal. 1.15.16 Paul said God revealed his Son in him so he preached him among the heathen Paul said God reveals his Son and thou saies the Scripture reveals him herein thou hast set the Scripture in the room of God saying the Scripture reveals the Son when as the Scripture saith God reveals his Son herein hast thou set the Scripture in the roome of God Christ and the Spirit and that which may be knowne of God is manifest in man for God hath shewed it unto him Rom. 1.19 and the Lord reveals his secrets to his servants Amos 3.7 and 1 Jo. 5.12 he that hath the Son hath life he that hath not the Son hath not life who onely gives an understanding heart to know him that is true 1 Jo. 5.20 here without life thou art and without the knowledge of him that is true saying the Scripture reveals God c. When as the Scripture saith it is the Son alone that gives an understanding heart to know him that is true O lier see thy folly and unsound doctrines The Angel is sounding and a Star from Heaven is falne unto the earth who hath the Key of the bottomless pit the same to open and smoke arises apace Rev. 9.1.2 the wise see and consider 9. Mathew Caffyn said that there is so much of God and Christ revealed in the Scriptures to men as through faith therein is a sufficient means of salvation I answer what hast thou to do to tell of salvation whose mouth is full of lies and under whose lips doth the poyson of asps appeare and for condemnation thou art who denies the Father Son and Spirit and sets the Scripture in the place thereof powres forth heresies corrupt doctrines and denies him whom we witness to be able to save to the utmost such as come to him Heb. 7.25 this is the stone which such unskillfull builders as thou denies and sets the Scripture in his place in whom alone is salvation Acts 4.10.11.12 but him thou knows not so lives in vaine jangling and the sufficient meanes which thou speaks on hath not saved thee and thou that would set up any thing in the roome of Christ in whom alone is salvation or in thy devillish reason would set up any thing with Christ to adde to his sufficiency to save man him thou knows not but art for condemnation with the light which shews the sin and evill which thou acts contrary to 10. Matthew Caffyn said no man hath eternall life now in him as possessing it but a promise of it 1 Joh. 2.25 I answer thou art turned from the light wherewith Christ hath enlightned thee which guides all that love it up to life so the earth is seated in thee where the beast and false Prophet lodges and the promise which to thee is promised is the lake of fire burning with brimstone Rev. 19.21 that is the promise to the beast and false Prophet and he is the beast who is out of the truth and whether thou be out of the truth yea or nay let thy lying fables witnesse and he is the false Prophet who runs but is not sent of the Lord and whether thou be sent of the Lord yea or nay let thy lies thy own words witness who hast run so long and yet confesses thou knows not what the tongue of the learned is and thou that lives contrary to the light knows not what they come to enjoy and possesse who obey the light which comes from Christ and leads to him who is eternall life 1 Jo. 4.3 every Spirit that confesses not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God and this is that Spirit of Antichrist whereof you have heard that it should come and even now already is it in the world but thou may say thou knows and confesses he came in the flesh 1655 yeares since that we know and the Pope confesses Christ as neare him as thou but thou art Antichrist who dost not know him ruling in thy mortall body this they witnessed to whom these words were spoken they were Children and had overcome them and were of God 1 Jo. 4.4 this they knew not by talking of him without them but by possessing him in them who is greater then he that is in the world even Jesus who is eternall life 1 Io. 4.4 Io. 5.24 some had everlasting life some were passed from death to life 2 Cor. 4.10.11 Paul spake of the life of Jesus being manifest in the mortall body and the life of Jesus is eternall and 1 Io. 5.11 12 13 20. saith Iohn this is the record that God hath given to us eternall life c. and these things have I written c. that ye may know you have eternall life and they were in the true God and eternall life how ignorant art thou of the letter and yet dare call thy selfe a Minister of Christ and 1 Io. 4. he that confesses that Jesus is the Son of God God dwelleth in him and he in God and he that dwells in God dwells in eternall life God is eternall life Io. 6.54 11. Mathew Caffyn said that no man while he is upon earth comes to the end of faith I answer thou art exercising thy selfe in things that be too high for thee why art thou speaking of the end of faith who hast not faith as a graine of musterdseed which removes mountains The end of faith is the salvation of the soul 1 Pet. 1.9 which the Apostle spoke of What dost thou presse after thou wilt say after the salvation of the soul What and if any come to enjoy that which thou presses after wilt thou envy them or deny the goodness of God towards them Math. 1.21 Christ was given to save from sin Paul and those he speaks of were already saved 2 Tim. 1.9 Hed. 7.25 he is able to save to the uttermost the ingrafted word
is able to save the soul Iames 1.21 this is denied of thee who lives in pollutions and in the nature of the world the light who ownes which comes from Chfist it lets man see a necessity of a Saviour to save him from sin and by little and little begets faith in him as that from sin he shall be saved now abiding the end of faith is witnessed that is possessed which was beleived to be enjoyed so is Christ the author and finisher of faith doth this beget carelessnesse or bring forth iniquity no who live in iniquity salvation witness not but the same that saves from sin keeps out of sin all who abide in it 1 Ioh. 3.6 but what is this to thee who art one of the foolish women that sewes pillows to all Arme holes and slaies the souls that should not die and saves the soules alive that should not live by thy lies Ezek. 13.18.19 12. He said that that Christ that was crucified at Jerusalem and role flesh and bones c. is not really in any man upon earth but his spirit is I answer no other Christ we own but him who witnessed a good confession before Pontius Pilate and thou that knowes not that he is in thee art a Reprobate 2 Cor. 13.5 and the same Paul who said Christ is in you except you be Reprobates the same said Christ lives in me Gal. 2.20 Now if thou had been in the dayes of Paul who said Christ lived in him would thou have told him that Christ did not it was his spirit or would thou have told him that Christ did not really live in him or wilt thou set Christ in one place his spirit in another who is Emanuel God with us Mat. 1.23 and saith Christ I in them and thou in me Jo 17.23.26 Now wi●t thou oppose Christ and say he is not really in them who is it here that denies Christ who is it that wrests the Scriptures and now thou art a lyar who saith Christ is not really in any man upon earth Christ saith otherwise whether must Christ or thou be believed He saith At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father and you in me and I in you Jo 14.20 and he that eats my flesh and drinks my blood dwells in me and I in him but a wiser then thou may stumble at this John 6.56 and Christ in you the hope of glory Col. 1.27 Now this thou that stumbles at is that the Scripture may be fulfilled Christ is a stumbling stone 13. He said the Scripture is the word I answer that is another lie and the Scripture is a witness against thee it saith God is the word and the word became flesh and dwelt amongst the Saints John 1.1.14 and Rev. 19.13 his name is called the word of God Rev. 19.13 Now the Scripture is a true Declaration John 5.39.40 Luke 1.1 14. He said the Scripture was the word of Faith I answer that is another lie and here thou denies Christ who was before the World was or the Scripture was or Heresie Schisme Antichrist or false Prophet was Heb. 12.2 who is the Authour and finisher of faith Now thou sayes the Scripture is the word of faith now then how came Abel Enoch Noah Abraham Isaac Jacob and Joseph how came these to faith and the rest who were before the letter was here thou makes it manifest thou art faithless not knowing the word of faith but puts the letter in its room and Rom. 10.8 Paul who was a Minister of the word of faith he was not a Minister of the letter but of the spirit 2 Cor. 3.6 but that eare that heares the word of Faith thou knowes not opened but the dead minde beares rule in thee so thou sets the Scripture in the room of him who is the Authour and finisher of Faith whose comming is as the morning who opens the blind eye and unstops the deaf eare Isa 35.5 15. He said the Scripture was the truth I answer here thou wrests the Scripture out of its place and sets it in the room of Christ who saith he is the truth Iohn 14.6 Now Christ saith he is the truth and thou sayst the Scripture is the truth whether is the lyar a lyar thou art the truth sets free Iohn 8.32 the Scripture doth not truth sanctifies Iohn 17.17.19 the Scripture doth not but thou may be ready to slander me because I say not Amen to thy lies and say I deny the Scripture which I do not for it I own to be a true Declaration testifying of Christ who is the truth Iohn 5.39.40 Luke 1.1 16. He said the Scripture did lead into the truth I answer that is another lie and the Scripture witnesses against thee which saith the spirit of truth leads into all truth John 16.13 and 1 John 2.20 ye have an unction from the holy one and ye know all things and that by the vertue of the unction in them and not the leading of the letter without them so the Scripture testifies of that which leads into all truth but is not the thing leading into all truth 17. He said the Scripture led into the knowledge of God and did teach man the knowledge of God I answer that is another lie and the key of knowledge thou here denies so thou art brutish in thy knowledge Jer. 10.14 Thou sayes the Scripture leads into the knowledge of God and teaches the knowledge of God here thou denies the Son and sets the Scripture in his place Mat. 11.27 No man knowes the Father but the Son and he to whom the Son reveals him and thou sayst the Scripture teaches the knowledge of God Rom. 1.19 what may be known of God is manifest in man now thou sayes it is the Scripture without that teaches the knowledge of God it is the spirit that discerns God who is a spirit and makes known spiritual things 1 Cor. 2.14 Isay 28.9 it is God that teaches knowledge John 14.26 The comforter shall teach you all things Luke 1.76.77 the Child Jesus Emanuel God with us he gives the knowledge of salvation Now here thou sets the Scripture in the room of Christ who teaches the knowledge of his Father and sayes the Scripture teaches man the knowledge of God here another lie is found in thy mouth and the key of knowledge thou casts from thee who disobeys the light which shews the sin and evil and another lie is put into thy hand even by the Angel of the bottomless-pit whose name in the Hebrew Tongue is Abaddon in the Greek Tongue Apollyon Rev. 9.11 so thou art opening and screwing but I say by thy searching thou shalt never finde out God Job 11.7 8. 18. He said no mans wisdom upon earth was perfect I answer Thou art turned from the light so thy wisdom is from below and thou and thy Generation who know not the Crosse of Christ but denies it knowes not the wisdom which is from above which is perfect in the Saints
they had nothing but the letter when as he had not spoken to them such the Lord was against Jer. 23.30.31 32. this is thy example own it shuffle thy self from among these dreamers if thou can who knowes not the Crosse of Christ nor the tongue of the learned and hast got the words of the holy men of God into thy vain wily shifty peevish subtle crafty and untoward minde and there treasures them up and ministers them forth and uses thy tongue and tells of the assistance of the spirit 5. He said the means that leads to salvation is without man that is not dwelling in his mortal body I answer for all thy profession thou art got no further then the Pope who talks of a Christ without means of salvation without as thou dost but thou whose Religion and Kingdom is in words and in Lip-talk thou knows not neither what is the means that leads to salvation nor where the means is and thou art wallowing in filth and in the pollutions of the world so knowes not the word of salvation nor where it is hast thou not read in the Scripture that to them that are saved the preaching of the Crosse is the power of God 1 Cor. 1.18 if thou knew this Crosse what it is where it is what its operation is what it takes hold on what ground it strikes at and what it works out and what it lets in if this thou knew thou would not dream and imagine as thou dost Christ is the light of the world and lighteth every man that commeth into the world and from him light shines in darkness but darkness comprehends it not John 1.5.9 and this light is within and shews thee thy evil deeds and the pollutions thou lives in which if thou loved it that would lead thee to him that gave it even to Christ who hath given to every man a measure according to his ability which measure is in man and shews all wicked thoughts purposes and intentions that arise out of the heart of man and who loves it it leads to him who gave it out of evil to him alone who is the head of the Church the Saviour of the body in whom alone is salvation and not in any other name under Heaven this is the corner-stone who hath given a light a measure to every man that comes into the world John 1.9 Acts 4.10 11 12. t● is stone thou sets at naught who art a foolish builder seeking a way to salvation without thee so art out of the Doctrine of Christ who said go not forth when men cry lo here lo there Mat. 24. and grace in measure hath appeared unto all men which brings salvation Tit. 2.11 12. this grace in measure is in all men shewing evil as evil is intended in thy minde and him who loves it it teaches him to deny ungodliness so brings to salvation but thou and all who live in ungodliness and worldly lusts turns it into 〈…〉 so are of old ordained to condemnation Jude 4. 〈◊〉 that which may be known of God is manifest in man Rom. 1.19 it is in man that shews him evil and who love and obey it it leads out of evil and guides such into the knowledge of God to witness the salvation of God and from this thou art gone so in thy corrupt minde art pleading for means without to lead to salvation The Serpents meat is dust and for his meat he wrangles and pleads but the way of God is a way of holinesse which no unclean person no Lyon no ravenous Beast walks in Isay 35.8.9 but all unclean persons and ravenous Beasts can conform unto and imitate the practices of them who gave out the Scripture who were the ransomed of the Lord as thou dost and plead for that in which thou mayst live at ease so you deny Christ who hath given to every one a measure to lead to him who gives it and the Scripture in its place we own which testifies of Christ Jo 5.39.40 but to set it in the room of Christ we must not but are witnesses against you who deny him and set the Scripture in his place 6. He said God is one thing and his glory another thing as saith he my hand is one thing and this book in my hand is another thing I answer silence dreamer who would divide God and his glory and from God and his glory thou art seperated and God and his glory thy eye must not see but destruction who art an enemy to the Cross of Christ and thy minde is in earthly things tell of God and his glory and live in the pollutions of the world when as no uncleane thing dwells with him and it is Virgins that love him and all thy corrupt reasonings comparisons and arguings of God and his glory and for condemnation and that minde which calls God one thing and his glory another thing is accursed are from God and his glory thou art accursed who would divide God and his glory asunder 7. He said the Scripture hath in it the minde of God revealed so is a rule to guide men to Christ I answer holy men of God to them and in them was the minde of God revealed by the Spirit before the Scripture was written and his minde not any one comes unto but in whom the Spirit of God arises and rules as thou hast the Scripture which declares of the minde of God but his minde thou hast not but mindes earthly things saith Paul we have the minde of Christ 1 Cor. 2.16 and Phil. 2.5 let this minde be in you which was also in Christ Jesus none have the minde of Christ but them in whom Christ dwells though they may have the Scripture a declaration of his minde but conforming to the practises of the holy men of God in whom the minde of God was in the will of man this lets not in the minde of God but the crosse which shews the carnall minde which professes the Scripture and crucifies the carnall minde the same lets in the nature and the minde of Christ the Jews had the Scripture and covered themselves therewith but had not the minde of God but persecuted him whom the Father sent of whom the Father beares witness And thou saist the Scripture is a rule to guide men to Christ when as Christ himselfe said that none could come to him but as the Father drew him and every man that heard and learned of the Father came to him John 6.44.45 Here thy minde is contrary to the minde of Christ Christ said it is his Father that draws to him and thou saies it is the Scripture herein thou art Antichrist opposing Christ and his doctrine and here thou sets the Scripture in the seate of God saying the Scripture is a rule to guide to Christ when as the Scripture saith none comes to Christ except the Father draw him this and such like is the mist that thou keeps people in darkness withall but now thou art seen 8.