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A93576 The hidden things of Esau brought to light, and reproved in an answer to a book intituled A true relation of a dispute between Francis Fulwood, minister of West Alvington, in the county of Devon, and Thomas Salthouse, as it is said, of the county of Westmerland, before the congregation of them called Quakers, in the house of Henry Pollexpher Esquire, in the said parish of West. Published in the truth's defence, and sent abroad in the world, to pursue the unknown authors imperfect relation. By a follower of the Lamb in the war against the Beast and false prophet, known to the world by the name of Thomas Salthouse. Salthouse, Thomas, 1630-1691. 1657 (1657) Wing S473; Thomason E912_4; ESTC R204852 26,539 40

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to the Lord then the cutting of a Dogs neck Isa 66.3 or offering Swines blood so long as thou art not justified by Faith therefore give over Divining for money and Preaching for hire and let all fl●sh be silent before the Lord for he that exalteth himself will the Lord a base and bring down that no flesh may glory in his presence Fulw. But let me proceed to demand of you satisfaction in one thing Pray how do you prove the Ministers of England preach an other Gospel then Paul preached for that was one of your marks of the false Prophets Answ I own and have union with the Ministers of England and elswhere that declare freely unto others that which they have heard and seen tasted and bandled of the Word of Life 1 John 1.1 which they have received neither of man nor by man but by the revelation of Jesus Christ and I have nothing to say against them But if either thou or any other man in England or an Angel from Heaven preach another Gospel then that which the Apostle preached let him be accursed Fulw. I receive the Gospel from Paul as the Galatians did even from the same writings of Paul Ans Even as Paul said to the Galatians so say I to them who believes thy testimony O foolish people and unwise I who hath bewitched you to believe such a lying spirit or to own such a one for your Minister Is it a like thing that Fra-Fulwood could receive the Gospel from Paul as the Galatians did It s manifest that Paul had preached the Gospel to the Galatians before he wrote that Epistle to them from Rome and the Galatians had also received it before that Epistle was written And these writings are not called the Gospel which he saith he received the Gospel from and if they were he is found but one of them that steal the Word from his neighbor and from another mans writings So it is but death and destruction that speaks of the same and therefore receive no such into your houses neither bid them God speed least you also be partakers with them in their evil deeds for all such filthy dreamers and men of corrupt mindes are sure to have their portion with Jannes and Jambres and their Forefathers and Brethren in iniquity Corah Dathan and Abiram although by this craft they prosper for a while and get much wealth which is but the wages of unrighteousness Fulw. Come come Sir you have told us That what you delivered you have by revelation from Heaven wherein I tell you you blaspheme the Lord you have said to the people That the false Prophets meaning us in the Ministery deny the light that is in all men Ans It is not blasphemy to declare what I have received by revelation from Heaven but it is blasphemy for false Prophets to call themselves Christs Ministers For me to declare against false Prophets as I am moved of the Lord is neither blasphemy nor railing discourse as thou accountest it and in as much as thou deniest the sufficiency of the light to lead to salvation or eternally to condemn thou maist apply it to thy self to be one of those false Prophets that rebels against the light Job 24.13 whose pernitious ways many have followed by reason of whom the way of truth is evil spoken of for thou sayest the light spoken of in the Scripture will be found to be onely common and not saving Here the nature and operation of the light is by thee denied and the Scripture perverted and with the light that never changes art thou comprehended judged and condemned Christ saith John 8.12 I am the light of the world and he that follows me shall not abide in darkness but shall have the light of life And Christs Ministers bear testimony to the same light and this is the condemnation That light is come into the world and men loves darkness rather then light because their deeds are evil For whatsoever is reproved is first made manifest by the light and whatsoever makes manifest is light Ephesians chap. 5. And his light turned to believed in loved and obeyed is sufficient to lead to salvation And for this purpose were Christs Ministers sent forth as sheep among wolves to turn men from the darkness to the light that shined in the darkness which their dark understandings did not comprehend before they heard Preachers that were sent and of this light I am a witness and this is the Message I have to declare That God is light and in him is no darkness at all in him was life and his life was the light of men And this is the true light that lighteth every man that cometh into the world The Law of God also is called a light Prov. 6 23. and the Commandment a Lamp and the Word of God is a Light and a Lanthorn and his Covenant a light as it s written Behold I will keep thee and give thee for a Covenant of the people for a light to the Gentiles that thou mayest be my salvation to the ends of the earth Christ Jesus is this light as it is written Lord now lettest thou thy servant depart in peace according to thy Word for mine eyes have seen thy salvation which thou hast prepared before the face of all people a light to lighten the Gentiles and the glory of thy people Israel and in vain is salvation hoped for from the mountains and from the hills for upon him that is mighty is salvation laid who saith Look unto me and be saved all ye ends of the Earth Fulw. There is no means sufficient to salvation but what Scripture asserts to be so but we do not finde in Scripture that the light is sufficient to convince of sin if improved if it be shew it Answ The grace of God which bringeth salvation hath appeared unto all men and this grace is sufficient 2 Cor. 12.9 And the Scripture declares there is no other name given under Heaven whereby men can be saved 2 Cor. 4.6 but by the name of Jesus who saith I am the light and God who commanded light to shine out of darkness bath also shined into our hearts to give us the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ And we have this treasure in Earthen Vessels since it hath pleased the Father to reveal his Son in us unto whom he hath freely made known what is the glory of the Mystery that hath been hid from ages and gene●ations Christ in us the hope of glory 1 Col. 27. in whom is life and this life is our light and this light is within for that which may be known of God is manifest within But this is a mystery to you whose wisdom is earthy and your understandings darkned and unto such is our Gospel hid whose mindes the God of this world hath blinded among whom we have had our conversation in times past But our light is come
Here is no mention made of water in this command and besides they to whom it was given were first sent forth to teach as it is written Go teach all Nations and they abode in the doctrine of Christ and went forth as sheep among Wolves and into whatsoever City Town or Village they entred they were to inquire who was worthy and not what they might expect for a livelihood for themselves their Wives and their Children And some were sent forth not to baptize but to preach the Gospel and these were sent first to teach and preach repentance and they were to repent before they were to be baptized So that it plainly manifests That those who baptize Infan●s before they teach them or before they have repented are transgressors of this command of Christ And I also question where ever Frances Fulwood was sent either to preach or baptize for Christs Ministers were not so beggerly as to take hire for their preaching twice every Lords day or to contend or wrangle for a competent maintenance in lieu of preaching or for Tithes calling them Christs wages This manifests another spirit then was in the true Prophets Apostles and Ministers of Christ who called all to come freely without money and without price and gave freely as they had freely received But as there were false Prophets in Israel even so there are also false Prophets in England whose hearts are exercised with covercous practises and who have forsaken the right way in these last days and perilous times and many have followed their pernicious ways by reason of whom the way of truth is evil spoken of And these men in the ears of deluded people are crying up the Church and Ordinances Baptism Sacrament Preaching Praying and Singing even as the Jews did of old the Temple of the Lord the Temple of the Lord when they themselves were even destroyed for want of knowledge But the Lord hath raised up a light in the hearts of Ten thousands of his Saints whereby they are comprehended judged and condemned and turned away from them that have gotten the words without the life the form but not the power the shadow and not the substance the sign but not the seal There was indeed a time of ignorance a day that was neither clear nor dark in the which we were led aside by these dumb Idol-shepherds till God commanded the light to shine out of darkness and shined into our hearts to give us the light of the knowledge of the glorious Gospel Church and Ordinances in the face of Jesus Christ of whom we had heard and on whom we had believed And being justified by faith we have peace with God Heb. 11.6 and without faith its impossible to please God Fulw. Faith you say is required in Baptism and that renders Infants capable thereof for though Faith be required this doth not render Infants uncapable of Baptism for children were capable of Circumcision and yet Circumcision was a sign and seal of the Righteousness of Faith Answ Their Circumcision made with hands was a sign Rom. 4. but not a seal for what saith the Scripture Abraham believed God and it was counted to him for righteousness not when he was in Circumcision but when he was in uncircumcision and he received the sign of Circumcision a seal of the righteousness of faith which he had when he was uncircumcised The Circumcision of the heart is the seal Ezek. 20.12 10. and the Circumcision with hands was the sign of that seal as the Sabbath was given to Israel for a sign of that Everlasting Sabbath which is prepared for the people of God But now neither Circumcision nor uncircumcision availeth any thing but a new Creature neither doth the figure of Water-baptism nor Sprinkling of Infants which is no figure seal nor sign avail any thing 1 Pet 3.21 but the keeping of the Commandments of God for when the Gentiles that have not the Law do by nature the things contained in the Law these having not the Law are a Law unto themselves Rom. 2. shewing the effect of the Law written in their hearts c. Therefore if the uncircumsion keep the righteousness of the Law shall not his uncircumcision be counted for Circumcision for that is not Circumcision which is outward Phil. 3.3 but that of the heart in the Spirit and not in the Letter for they onely are the Circumcision that worship God in the Spirit and have no confidence in the flesh and they only know the true Baptism that are come to the answer of a good conscience towards God by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead who are buried with him in Baptism Eph. 4.30 and quickned together with him and sealed up by the Spirit of promise until the day of redemption And if this be all the proof can be alleaged for the baptising of Infants by the Teachers of the World and their upholders the Author of this Book their Foundation is on the Sand for neither can they prove that Christ commanded to baptize Infants with water nor that it came in the room of circumcision or that it is either Sign or Seal of the Righteousness of Faith unless we should believe what they conceive or imagine for a truth which few will do that have their sences exercised by reason of use to discern between truth and error the power of godliness and the form and have had experience of the deceit of such as now are gone forth into the world Matth. 15.9 who teach for doctrine the traditions of men Something also was spoken about singing Davids Conditions in Rime and Meeter which I then opposed and denied the practise of as they were by these Poets or Fidlers Sternhold Hopkins and others Translated into English Meeter with apt Notes to be sung in the Church and Chappels so called before their Morning and Evening Prayers and Formal Preaching which while the people are singing they uncover their heads as if the Scriptures were more holy and honorable since these men perverted them by putting them into Meeter then they were before as they were spoken forth by him who was a holy man after Gods own heart inspired by the Holy Ghost But all your Songs will the Lord God of Sabbath suddenly turn into weeping and howling mourning and bitter lamentation Although for a season these men of the World whose portion is in this life may make merry over the witness and put far away the evil day who lie upon their Beds of Ivory and stretch themselves on the Couches that eat the Lambs out of the flock and the Calves out of the midst of the stall that chant to the sound of the Viol and invent to themselves instruments of Musick like David who sings lyes in the Name of the Lord calling him to witness that they are not puft in minde when they are so proud heady high-minded and scornful that without disdain they can scarcely one look upon another