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A76849 The fanatick history: or an exact relation and account of the old Anabaptists, and new Quakers. Being the summe of all that hath been yet discovered about their most blasphemous opinions, dangerous pactises [sic], and malitious endevours to subvert all civil government both in church and state. Together with their mad mimick pranks, and their ridiculous actions and gestures, enough to amaze any sober christian. Which may prove the death & burial of the fanatick doctrine. Published with the approbation of divers orthodox divines. Blome, Richard, d. 1705. 1660 (1660) Wing B3212; Thomason E1832_2; ESTC R7493 128,247 230

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S. Three that may as it were be pointed at he he he Fox I do not like that argument T. S. Therefore further are you three Persons that dispute against me Fox Yea. T. S. Prove it Fox We are in 3 places and therefore 3 persons T. S. Therefore replied the Father Son and Holy Ghost have been in three places and therefore 3. persons at the Baptism of Christ s Argumentum ad hominem while Jesus came up the Holy-Ghost down and the Father in heaven Fox Persons have flesh and blood t Learnedly T. S. Angels are persons and have not one of them said Angels are not persons u Well versed in Metaphysicks Fox A person is a subsistence T. S. So are Father Son and holy Ghost T. S. Further argued He who denies the Bible to be the word of God saying that to assert Scripture to be the word of God is one of the deceitful immaginations which the Priests of this generation have deceived the people with that man is an Heretick But you deny the Bible to be the word and tell Mr. Townsend that to assert it is one of the deceitful imaginations which the Priests of this generation have deceived the people with See Ishmael and his mother cast out p. 1. lin 1. therefore This was not answered but Fox said they cannot be three persons because they were not visible in several places T. S. If Christ was man and the holy Ghost was in the form of a Dove then they were both seen Fox Prove that they were seen in several places T. S. One was seen in the water the other out Fox Prove they were seen w Fox could not or would not see T.S. Many beheld them both Fox The Holy Ghost could not be seen T. S. He was in the form of a Dove therefore could be seen Fox Not in the form of a Dove but in the likeness x Rare hereat some laughing he answered that he was seen but not visible y Surely his religion reason and wits were lost By this relation it is visible to be seen 1. Their boldness 2. Their crowing without cause 3. Their inability to argue 4. Their little or no learning z At least that any of them will be known of 5. Their strange opinions about the Trinity and Scripture 6. How they run beyond all reason and sense to defend their tenets Lastly Their obstinacy when n●ither Scripture reason nor sense can convince them their damnable errours and stupid obstinacy will surely conclude such men Hereticks CHAP. IX A brief relation of three Disputations at Sandwich April 1659. between Fisher Whitehead and Hubberthorn Quakers and Mr. Danson Minister there 1. Disputation April 12. § T. Quakers folly p. 1. Edit 2. Quest WHether every man that cometh into the world be enlightned by Christ Danson We grant every man hath some light by which he discerns though dimly many 1. Sins 2. Duties 3. Divine Attributes but the mysterie of godlinesse 1 Tim. 3. ult God manifest in the flesh justified in the spirit c. we deny that all men have the knowledge of Hubberthorn The light is but one Danson The lights mentioned 1. Naturall and 2. Supernaturall are two though all have the one yet few the other If your meaning be that the knowledge of the Gospel is vouchsafed by Christ to every man I prove the contrary 1. Psal 147.19 20. He sheweth his word unto Jacob his statutes and judgements unto Israel he hath not dealt so with any nation and as for his judgements they have not known them By the Word Statutes and Judgements are meant the knowledge of the Gospel and the Psalmist asserts no nation beside the Jewes had this knowledge at this time 2. Ephes 2.12 Speaking of the Gentiles before Christ the Apostle sayes they were without Christ strangers from the covenant of promise having no hope and without God in the world They who had no hope that is no ground of hope of salvation were ignorant of the promises the ground of hope and so of God in Christ the object of hope and so of the summe of the Gospel Geo. Whitehead Rom. 2.15 sayes The Gentiles have the Law in their hearts Danson It is spoken of the natural light for it s opposed to the knowledge of the Jewes Whitehead It is said to be the knowledge of whatsoever might be known of God Rom. 1.19 Danson The Apostle intends that what might be known of God without the preaching of the Gospel was known to the Gentiles vers 16 17. It is by the Gospel the righteousness of God is revealed John 4.22 Christ tells the Samaritans the Jewes exclusively knew what they worshipped and that salvation was of the Jews and in respect of this Gospel-knowledge the Gentiles are said to have their understandings darkned Ephes 9.18 Whitehead That place sayes that the Gentiles were not so enlightned as afterward for 't is said that Christ was given for a light to lighten the Gentiles Danson It proves not that Christ was a light to the Gentiles in every age and generation but after his coming in the flesh Acts 13.46 47. Loe we turn to the Gentiles for so hath the Lord commanded us saying I have set thee to be a light of the Gentiles That of the Ephesians denies the Gentiles at all to have been enlightned by Christ unlesse as God before Christ they were afar off from God and Christ and the knowledge of them Ephes 4.18 Alienated from the life of God In potentia proxima o● sensu composito which imports their understandings no more capable of the knowledge of God then creatures of one kind of life to converse with another So that the Gentiles wanted the light of the Gospel and light in their understandings as the light of the Sun is requisite externally and the light in the eye so the Gospel and an enlightned understanding Geo. Whitehead Thou makest the Gospel an outward light But 2 Cor. 4.6 the Apostle says it shines out of darkness in their hearts Danson The Apostle speaks of material light and argues from the effect of one creating word to another that by the like word of command he had the light or knowledge of Christ in his understanding As for in their hearts it is the same with Ephes 1.18 The eyes of your understanding being enlightned the light by which the Gospel is discerned is inward but the Gospel it self outward Whitehead 2 Cor. 4.6 The Apostle sayes The light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Christ shined in their hearts Danson In whose Not of all mankind but of the Apostles and some others a small number in comparison and therefore vers 3. the Apostle sayes The Gospel was hid to them that were lost And vers 4. There are some to whom the light of the Gospel doth not shine And Mat. 13.11 it was given to the Disciples not to others to know the mysteries of the