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A85149 The Scriptures vindication against the Scotish contradictors. By one John Stalham, and as he saith, preacher of the Gospel at Edenborough in Scotland. And the other tiled [sic], A serious review of some principles of the Quakers; wherein error is discovered, and truth defended; by P.E. and written with a pen at Edenborough, printed in the year 1655, and a written name, as if it were the printer called Peter English, but no printed name; and thus they shuffle, but laid open to their shame, and truth in this short answer is defended and cleared, and their errour is discovered, and they ensnared. Who both have manifested their contradictions both to the Scriptures, and their own writings, and so have not the people which they call Quakers. / Published by a servant of the Lord Jesus, in Yorkeshire in England, known to the world by the name of Richard Farneworth. R. F. (Richard Farnworth), d. 1666. 1655 (1655) Wing F503; Thomason E854_9; ESTC R202120 34,303 40

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of Christ and saith he doth not forbid all oaths but by creatures onely yet to confute thy selfe and manifest thy contradictions thou sayes he forbids not swearing by creatures onely but all oaths and here out of confusion thou hast confest to the Truth after thou hadst contradicted it And if thou had not made swearing null and voyd by thy words in confessing that all oaths are forbidden The very expresse words of Scripture would have been a witnesse clearely in the second place against thee James 5.12 And as for this saying we take the words of Christ contrary to his meaning therein thou hast also in that cleared us and contradicted thy selfe for we take his words according to his mind and so denies oaths abides in his doctrine But the Lord hath suffered thee to lay open thy folly that by thy words thou mayest be judged knowne to be in confusion selfe contradiction and so Babylonish Take heed of uttering thy folly as thou hast done Selfe Contradictions And where thou sayes they deny the Letter of the Scriptures to be Scripture that is one of thy lyes and yet thou sayes they stick to the Letter of the Scripture Mat. 23.8 10. which saith Be not called Masters here thou hast cleared them and contradicted thy selfe againe but thou art offended that they witnesse against thy deceit and cuts of thy Mastership by thy own rule though thou wouldst cover it over yet thy covers are seen and thou art left bare And thou sayes they say he that believeth hath the witnesse in himselfe and if they say so the Scripture saith the same 1 John 5.10 herein they do not deny nor crosse the Scriptures Acknowledge thy lies error and confusion and upon them own thy condemnation for after thou hast said that they should say They deny the Letter of the Scripture to be Scripture to confute thy selfe and clear them in p. 21 thou sayes that they say the Scriptures they own to be true in themselves as they were given forth by the spirit of truth which ruled in them that gave them forth and for proof sets down Light risen out of darknesse by Richard Farneworth p. 13. here both thy own witnesse and that Book of Richard Farneworths doth witnesse aganst thee And thus thou hast cleared them from the slander that thou sought to cast upon them and art under the guilt and the pit which for others thou diggedst thou are faln in thy selfe and catcht in thy own snare and craftinesse take notice of that see how thou hast contradicted thy selfe And where thou sayes one of them saith you are ignorant of the life of the Scriptures that are ignorant of the Letter herein thou hast manifested the same therefore take thou the shame for the life from whence the Scriptures proceeded is not the Letter yet the Letter doth declare of it and such as thou art that had the Letter but were ignorant of the Life Christ said Search the Scriptures in them you think you have eternall life they testifie of me but saith he Ye will not come to me that ye might have life John 5. 39 40. And againe saith he I am the Way the Truth and the Life Joh. 14.6 And he that hath the Son hath Life but the Son is not the Letter neither is the Letter the Son yet the Letter declares of him Concerning the new Birth and the word in the heart He that believeth thay say is born of God I answer so saith the Scripture 1 John 5. and that the word of Faith is nigh in the heart is witnessed Rom. 10.8 and he that believes and is born of God knowes the seed of God within him as saith the Scripture 1 John 3.9 but he is not born of the Letter as thou wouldst have him yet he is begotten by the immortall word which endureth for ever which the Letter declares of and that doth not contradict the Scripture Therefore where thou twines about to raise a lye of them saying they say and unsay that is thy own as before is proved for thou art he that sayes and unsayes and where thou sayes take the meaning of their words that hast not the same minde knows not the meaning but wrests them as thou perverts the Scriptures and so raiseth lyes by thy imaginations to manifest also thy contradictions for thou sayes they say and say truly then they lye not neither do they say and unsay and thou sayes they say truly because the Scripture saith so then they agree with the Scripture being of God and speaking truly 1 John 4.4 5 6. and they that are of God hear his word then they crosse not the Scripture neither do they say and unsay if they say truly and as thou also say But they say truly therefore they do not say and unsay and so thou art taken with the lye againe and clears them thy self and where thou sayes they deny that in John 1.9 to be a naturall Light If we do we have warrant for it for it is the Light supernaturall John 8.12 and if one of them did say he lived in a naturall condition before his conversion is that such a strange thing such as were witnesses for God as the Apostles and others had been naturall before they were spirituall and when it pleased God to reveal his Son in them Gal. 1. he also commanded the Light to shine out of darknesse to give them the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus and they had the heavenly treasure manifested in earthen vessels 2 Cor. 4.6 7. and if it had not been there in a mystery Col. 1. 27. how could it in them have been so after manifested in them but that thou art mindfull to cavill on purpose against the work of God to shew forth the envy of thy heart against the breakings forth of Light whereby your deeds of darknesse are discoverd and against testified And where thou sayes they magnifie the Light and the Law written in the heart to judge and condemn sin then thou sayes the day of Judgment is come I answer Where Judgement is brought forth into victory sin is condemned in the flesh and there is no condemnation to them that are in Christ Jesus who walk not after the flesh but after the spirit and such have boldnesse in the day of Judgement for as some mens deeds goes before hand to Judgement others they come after and therefore a day of Judgement is to come and that thou and the wicked will know to be a day of torment though the righteous may rejoyce in it Againe thou sayes They affirme that every man in his first estate may fee himse fe to be naturall but not able to judge of the things of God citing particulers concerning the Law by John Cam let that book be a witnesse to the truth against thy ignorance and sottishnes that sets thy corruptions and pleads for them the light which doth discover the naturall corruptions is not not