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A47189	A true relation of a conference had betwixt G. Keith and T. Upsher, at Colchester the 6th of the fifth month, 1699 the truth of which is attested by three witnesses who took it from their mouths in short-hand and afterwards by joint consent writ it out at length : the question stated at the said conference was whether Thomas Upsher's preaching in the forenoon that faith in Christ, as he was born of the Virgin Mary, and dyed for our sins, &c. was absolutely necessary to salvation, ..., and in the afternoon his preaching that the light within ... is sufficient to salvation is a contradiction : and a brief account of the uncivil and illegal treatment used by some principal Quakers at Colchester and Bristol toward G Keith ... : and a postscript, containing some notes and observations on the assertions of T. Upsher and his brethren, detecting their self-contradictions : and a certificate from Parson Shelton of Colchester, to the truth of the case in debate ... and to the truth of the conference / by George Keith.	Keith, George, 1639?-1716.	1699 (1699)	Wing K222; ESTC R14758	20,930	32

A TRUE RELATION OF A CONFERENCE Had Betwixt G. Keith and T. Vpsher at Colchester The 6th of the Fifth Month 1699 The truth of which is attested by Three Witnesses who took it from their Mouths in Short-hand and afterwards by joint consent writ it out at length The Question stated at the said Conference was Whether Thomas Vpsher's Preaching in the Forenoon That Faith in Christ as he was born of the Virgin Mary and dyed for our Sins c. was absolutely necessary to Salvation as some affirmed he said or as others affirmed was necessary and in the Afternoon his Preaching That the Light within universally for which he quoted many Scriptures is sufficient to Salvation IS A CONTRADICTION AND A Brief Account of the uncivil and illegal Treatment used by some principal Quakers at Colchester and Bristol towards G. Keith and some other material Passages in his Travelling through several places in the Country this and the former Summer And a POSTSCRIPT containing some Notes and Observations on the Assertions of T. Vpsher and his Brethren detecting their Self-contradictions And a Certificate from Parson Shelton of Colchester to the truth of the Case in debate which is also attested by Nine other credible Witnesses and to the truth of the Conference By GEORGE KEITH LONDON Printed for Brab Aylmer at the Three Pigeons over-against the Royal-Exchange in Cornhil MDCXCIX A TRUE RELATION OF A CONFERENCE BETWIXT G. Keith and T. Vpsher at Colchester c. G. K. THEY that heard me on the first Day may remember that I said That to the best of my remembrance Tho Vpsher in the Afternoon contradicted what he declared in the Forenoon if it happens to be proved that he did not all the damage that will happen to me is that I am mistaken or I misunderstood him Now I offer to prove it to the best of my understanding and remembrance Tho. said in the Forenoon That Faith in Christ both as he was born of a Virgin without us and dyed for our sins without us as his Blood was shed without us and as he arose again without us and as he ascended into Heaven without us and as he sits at the right Hand of God as our Mediator without us and as he will come again and judge us and as he is spiritually revealed in us is absolutely necessary to Salvation To prove it Tho. brought 1 John 1. 7. That we are cleansed from Sin by the Blood of Christ even by the same Blood that was shed without the Gates of Jerusalem and said That his Friends and he differed not in Faith and that the whole drift of Friends Testimony tended to the same Doctrine T. Upsher It is not worded as I worded it for I did not say absolutely necessary to Salvation And observe Friends I am not come to give an account of my Faith nor to be Chatechised by George Keith but I am come to stand on the defensive part I said necessary G. K. Thou saidst absolutely necessary For this I offer Witness Rob. Hannay Thou saidst absolutely necessary Tho. Cook To the best of my remembrance he did say absolutely necessary T. Figget You said absolutely necessary Geo. Wetherly He did say absolutely Faith Till He did say it T. U. I say that I am sure that I did not say absolutely necessary I have Witness as well as thee G. K. There can be no Witness to prove a Negative T. U. My Witness may be heard as well as thine Call Will Drewit Will. Drewit I do really believe he did not say absolutely necessary Tho. Danks I don't remember he said absolutely necessary Rich. Waller I do believe he did not say absolutely necessary Rob. Hoskins I can't tell whether he said it or not Tho. Wier I remember nothing of the word absolutely Tho. Kettle To the best of my Memory he said necessary Moderator Parson Shelton Well then you all remember that he said necessary but you don't remember he said absolutely necessary This is but a Negative Testimony said Parson Shelton that will not hold in Law They answered The difference was not a matter in Law G. Keith said Nor will it hold before any reasonable Judicatory however necessary here is equivalent to absolutely necessary G. K. Now I offer to prove the Contradiction that is to the best of my remembrance and understanding he Preach'd in a contrary strain and brought several Scriptures to prove the Light within sufficient to Salvation John 1. 4 9. In him was life and that life was the light of men He was the true light which lighteth every Man that cometh into the World John 3. 16. God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son a light into the world that whosoever believeth in him should not perish c. T. U. Thou sayest wrong I said not that the Light within is sufficient for Salvation I never used the Expression in any Meeting in my Life G. K. Thou broughtest Eleven or Twelve Scriptures to prove it T. U. Thou art not against my using Scriptures G. K. No but against a perversion of the Scripture and a misapplication of them How didst thou word that Scripture God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son c. T. U. I worded it only thus That God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son into the world that in him they might have Light G. K. These Scriptures thou madest use of were to prove That the Light within was sufficient to Salvation John 3. 16. And some Verses thou spoke to after He that doth evil hateth the light And every one that doth Truth cometh to the Light 49 Isa 6. I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles that thou mayest be my salvation to the ends of the Earth 27 Psal The Lord is my light and my salvation 26 Acts 17 18. Delivering thee from these people and from the Gentiles unto whom now I send thee to open their eyes to turn them from darkness to light and from the power of Satan to God that they may receive forgiveness of sins and an inheritance among them that are sanctified 2 Tit. 21. The grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men T. U. I spake of them but thou art gone from the word Light G. K. You know it hath been common what-ever denomination the principle goes under to say the Light or the principle of the Spirit of God or the Grace of God or the Manifestation of the Spirit you make them all one T. U. When I say the Grace of God or Light or inward Manifestation of the Spirit I mean Christ's inward Manifestation to the Soul G. K. Thou quoted that Scripture 2 Cor. 4. 6. God who commanded light to shine out of darkness hath shined into our hearts to give the light of the knowledge of God in the face of his Son T. U. I don't remember that I used that Scripture G. K. There is Witness thou didst

use it John Raller I think he did Rob. Hannay He did use it G. K. 5 Eph. 13. For all things that are reproved are made manifest by the light for whatsoever doth make manifest is light 2 Cor. 12. 9. My grace is sufficient for thee There is the sufficiency and by Grace he means Light 20 Acts 32. Now brethren I commend you to God and the word of his grace which is able to build you up and to give you an inheritance among them that are sanctified T. U. O! George thou art wrong I did not make use of that Scripture on the first Day it was on the fourth Day G. K. Then thou contradicts thy self two or three Days after it 's no great difference but thou didst use it in part on the first Day T. U. To the best of my remembrance on the first Day I committed them to the Lord Jesus Christ and to the word of his Grace and so drew towards a Conclusion after that manner G. K. Those in the Revelations who have washed their Robes and made them white in the Blood of the Lamb. This Blood to the best of my understanding he meant to be the Light I think he did expound it so T. U. I did use those words but I deny I meant the Light G. K. If I can't prove it all the damage will be that I was mistaken In the Afternoon he brings 1 John 4. 9. In him was life c. And that Scripture My grace is sufficient for thee These we shall go through with That I shall insist on that Tho. brings these Scriptures to prove that every Man that cometh into the World is so lighted and so taught that if he obey the teachings and discoveries of that inward Principle it is sufficient for Salvation or he shall be saved All these Scriptures he brought to prove it And I will give thee for a covenant to the people a light to lighten the Gentiles that thou mayest be my salvation to the ends of the earth Thus he paraphrased upon them and to the best of my understanding said That whosoever was obedient to the dictates and discoveries of this Light the Grace of God or inward appearance of Light it shall be his Salvation This he said in the Afternoon which contradicts what he said in the Forenoon Now the Contradiction lies here whereas Tho. in the Forenoon said it was his belief and the drift and tendency of all the Friends and their Books and Writings and that his Faith and Friends did not differ in this point That Faith in Christ as he was born of the Virgin without us suffered without us arose and ascended without us and as he is spiritually revealed in us is necessary for Salvation I say he said That he and his Friends did not differ in this but that it was the drift of all their Friends though they did not express it as he did T. U. I did not mention the Faith of the Friends I did not mention their Books as I remember but I said It was necessary to Salvation to believe these things and that it was the drift and tendency of my Testimony G. K. Call Rob. Hannay Who prov'd he was speaking before of some that falsly charg'd Friends about this doctrine but says he they misrepresent us and falsly accuse us it hath been and is the drift and tendency of all our Friends to preach this Doctrine Tho. Cook I call thee for a Witness Whether Tho. Vpsher said so or not He answered Yea. One ask'd Tho. Cook What Vpsher said He answer'd That Tho. Vpsher said it was the drift and tendency of our Friends to Preach such Doctrine Tho. Lawrence offers himself a Witness he saith That Tho. Vpsher mentioning some opposing the Quakers that charg'd them that they not did hold Faith in Christ outwardly as necessary to Salvation saith he I do verily believe and it is my Faith and I have Faith in Christ Jesus as he suffered without the Gates of Jerusalem and it is the drift and tendency of our Declarations which we Preach to the People T. U. I did say Friends but not a word of Books and Writings G. K. Now two ways I prove that he contradicts himself If I prove that his Faith differs from the Faith of some or most of his Friends as Will. Penn Geo. Whitehead and the most eminent is not here a Contradiction to himself Is not their Faith his Faith T. U. George this is from the matter we are not come here to meddle or dispute what others hold but thou art to show I contradicted in the Afternoon what I said in the Forenoon G. K. It is my Sense that whereas he said in the Forenoon that his and his Friends Faith was one and the same if he differs from his Friends he differs from himself and then I say what he said in the Afternoon contradicts both himself and his Friends T. U. I said it is the drift and tendency of our Friends Tho. Auger said He meant the Friends there present What have we to do with W. Penn and G. Whitehead they are not here G. K. If any say What have we to do with our Friends W. Penn and G. Whitehead that are not here Then I say thou shouldst have been more wary than to have mention'd such a thing in an Auditory If I have any understanding in what he said I never heard a greater Contradiction in my life The places he brought especially 49. Isa 6. 2. Titus 11. 26 Acts 18. He did not barely quote these places but paraphrased on them and applyed them to Christ's inward appearance call it what you will Light or Grace as it is in every Man for he numbers these places with John 1. 4 and 9th Verses this is a Contradiction these places he brings to prove the Light in every Man 2 Cor. 12. 9. My grace is sufficient for thee It hath no reference to that inward appearance or Principle of Christ in the Heathens that the Gospel is not Preached to This in Isa I will give thee for a covenant to the people for a light to lighten the Gentiles that thou mayest be my salvation to the ends of the earth This hath no reference to the Light of the Gentile World that hath not the Gospel Preached I say it is a Prophecy which was not then fulfilled to the Gentile World nor is not now fulfill'd to the Heathen Gentiles but it is fulfill'd to us Christian Gentils 2 Titus 11. The grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men teaching them c. I say this Text hath no relation to the common discovery or inlightening that the Gentile World hath that never had the Gospel preached T. U. This is what I spoke in the Afternoon compare it with what I said in the Forenoon and shew the Contradiction G. K. There is no illumination or discovery in the Heathen World that hath not the Gospel outwardly preached that gives them and teacheth