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A19332 A warning for worldlings, or, A comfort to the godly, and a terror to the wicked set forth dialogue wise, betweene a scholler and a trauailer / by Ieremie Corderoy, student in Oxford. Corderoy, Jeremy, b. 1562 or 3. 1608 (1608) STC 5757; ESTC S123358 95,926 364

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dignity hee ordayneth him and whereunto hée maketh him euen like vnto himselfe The soule of man which is properly man according to that speech in the Scripture Gen. 2.7 1. Cor. 15.45 Mā was made a liuing soule is the very image of God As God is infinite and knoweth all things so is the soule of mā made infinite to receaue all knowledge He neuer knoweth so much but is capable to know more Secondly as the will of God is infinite so is the will of man made infinite not tyed to will this or that but whatsoeuer it pleaseth it cannot be constrayned to will any thing Thirdly as God is infinitely good so is the soule of man capable of infinite goodnesse nay it neuer ceaseth vntill it attayneth it Make man a King he is not satisfied but his desire enlargeth it selfe farther Make him a Monarke he is not contented he will desire more Make him Lord of all the world yet is he not contented The reason hereof is because these thinges may bée bettered So that as the natures of the elements are they neuer cease vntill they come to the place of their proper elemēt The fire neuer ceaseth tending vpward vntill it be aboue the element of the aire nor the aire vntil it be aboue the water nor the water euer ceaseth to fall downward vntill it come to the bottome of the sea nor any part of the earth vntill it come vnto the center of the earth if it were not hindred So the soule of man neuer ceaseth vntill it come vnto God himselfe from whome it came No finite goodnesse can satisfie it but only that wherein there is no defect which only is God himself Fourthly as God is eternal so the naturall desire of the soule is to be eternall in happinesse and to liue euerlastingly Fiftly as God ruleth al the world and euery creature therein and giueth life vnto them and motion so the soule of man giueth life vnto all the body of man and motions vnto euery member thereof and ruleth the whole body according to his wil nay further man according to that authority which God hath giuen him hath authority ouer all the beasts of the field fowles of the ayre fishes of the sea and all earthly creatures to rule vse them at his pleasure as a pettie God on earth Sixtly as God ruleth all the world yet can he not be séene nor comprehended what he is so the soule ruleth the whole body yet can it not be séene nor rightly by humane reason be comprehended what it is Seauenthly as God is in the world but is not contayned in any part of the world so the soule of man is in the body of man but is not contayned in any part of the body as your Aristotle saith but by his reasonable and spiritual faculties discourseth of things far distant from the body he is with a trise discoursing of matters in forraigne countries and in the twinckling of an eye at home againe He is considering on things on earth and in a moment he mounteth vp to heauē he is not wearied or payned with the greatnesse of the iourney There he discourseth on spirituall inuisible and diuine matters of the maiesty of God of his infinite wisdome power mercy and iustice of the felicity and eternall happines of the Angels all these the like operations the soule vseth without any ayde of the body Now in all things created there are two things to be considered the essence of the things and their operations There can be no operation of any thing whereof there is no essence no more thē there can be any accident without a subiect But you sée euen by the opinion of Aristotle that the soule h●th peculiar operations vnto himself no way depending on the ayde of the body Therefore the soule is a seuerall substance differing frō the substance of the body w●ose operations are diuine therefore their subiect the soule must néedes bee diuine But how now man what muse you on so stedfastly how do you now like Aristotle Trau I cannot tel what to say to this point it is hard for Aristotle or any humane reason wel to determine what the soule is it is so strange a thing Stud. You say right in diuine spirituall matters therfore you might doe well to beléeue diuine testimonies If you would but reade the Scripture beléeue it your mind would be easilie setled in this point and all others necessary for man to know in it there can be no errour Trau The Scripture no errour in it nay the Scripture was it that first draue me to these opinions For I find in it so many falshoods and vntruthes so many absurdities so many vnreasonable things that he is a sencelesse man that perceaueth it not and a foole that beleeueth it Stud. It is your manner to be confident in your opinion be it neuer so absurd But shew either any vntruth or absurdity or any vnreasonable thing contayned in the Scripture I will be of your opinion that no credit is to be giuen to the Scripture Trau Will you stand to your words Stud. Yes truely Trau Well then I will shewe you diuers playne and euident vntruths God sayd to Adam when he placed him in Paradise in that day that thou eatest of the tree of knowledge of good and euil thou shalt dye the death and in the next chapter following Moses saith that hee did eate of the forbidden fruite and dyed not and saith further in the 5. chapter Vers 5. that Adam liued nine hundred and thirtie yeares If he dyed not that day wherein hee did eate of the forbidden fruite But liued many yeares afterward and begat children Then that is not true that he should dye the same daye that hee should eate of the forbidden fruite If he dyed that day that he did eate of the forbidden fruite Then the other cannot be true that he liued so long and begat children then tell me which of these two are false The second vntruth I take out of the 4. chap. of Genesis When Caine had slaine his brother Abel God saith vnto him for his punishmēt a vagabond and a runnagate shalt thou be in the earth And yet in the same chapter it is sayd that Kain dwelt in the East side of Eden and builded a Citie If Caine were ahoushoulder and builded a Citie How was hee a vagabound and a runnagate both these cannot be true Tell me which of them is false A third vntruth I gather out of the whole scripture which is this large promises of health wealth and prosperitie vnto those that keepe the law of God And contrariwise many curses against the wicked Yet if the scripture be true they which in the Scripture are renowned for piety and holinesse were most afflicted and the wicked most abounded in prosperitie The like wee see in our dayes true for the most part Now tell mee whether these promises haue beene truely performed or no. 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fourth vntruth I take out of the booke of Iudges Iud. 10.13 where God saith to the Israelites that hee had manye times deliu●red them out of the hands of their enemies but when they were once freed then they would forsake him againe and fall to Idolatrie Therefore he gaue them this flat answere whē they cryed vnto him in their troble that hee would helpe them no more Yet for all this he did helpe them afterwards How can this agree God would helpe them no more and that God did helpe them againe both cannot bee true Now for absurdities in the scripture this is one especiall Stud. Nay pray before you procéed further let me answere these which you call falshoodes and vntrueths Trau Yea pray answere thē if you can Stud. Iosephus recordeth that Sedechias King of Israell who had no intent or purpose to obay the will of the Lord Lib. 10. cap. 10. et 11. anti sought rather how is cauill with the words of the Prophets which were sent vnto him then either to knowe or obserue the will of the Lord so that when as Ieremias the Prophet prophesied that he should bée caried away captiue to Babilon except he repented and obayed the will of the Lord And Ezechiell also prophesied that hee should be made captiue vnto the King of Babilon and led away into captiuitie but he should neuer sée Babilon Sedechias comparing the wordes of these twoo Prophets together it séemed to him that there was a contradiction in their prophesies that one prophesying that hee should bée caried away captiue to Babilon the other prophesying that hée neuer should see Babilon Both these could not bee true as hée thought and if either of them were false both of them might be false and therefore he beleeued neither of them but continued still in his wickednes vntill he indéed he was carried away captiue vnto Babilon according to the prophesie of Ieremie but he neuer saw Babilon according to the prophesie of Ezechiell Ieremie 39.7 For the King of Babilon caused his eies to be pulled out of his heade before hee was brought vnto Babilon Such is the iudgement of God against the wicked 2. Pet. 2.19 that they who haue no purpose to obaye the will of God shall not vnderstand the woordes of God yea the word of God which is to others a light in darkenes to guide them the right waie is hidden vnto them nay it is a stūbling blocke vnto them Ioh. 7.15 if aeny man will do his will saith our Sauiour hee shall knowe of the doctrine whether it be of God or no them onely God teache●h the right way who feare him and intend to keepe and obserue his commandements The true vnderstanding of the word of God is a secret res●rued as a peculier thing onely for such Psal 25.12.14 as in sinceretie feare the Lord as the Prophet Dauid saith And therfore when as our Sauiour spake in the presents of the malicious Scribes Pharisies hee spoke in parables for the pearles of God pertaine not vnto Dogs and Swine but he causeth his disciples to vnderstand them in priuate Saying Math. 7.6 cap. 15.26 vnto you it is giuen to know the secrets of the kingdome of heauen but vnto thē that is to the wicked and malicious it is not giuen I doe not meruaile therefore to see you as a corrupt stomake which turneth euen the best meates into corruption and matter of diseases with sound stomackes you turne into good nutriment so turne that which is most true in it selfe vnto falshood and absurdities being carried away with a preiudicial conceit more willing to cauill with then to vnderstād the word of God Now that these are not vntruthes which you haue alleadged I will by the grace of God make most manifest The first with séemeth vnto you to be vntrue is in that God said vnto Adā that he should die the same day that he should eate of the forbidden fruit but the Scripture testifieth that he died not the day that he did eate of the forbidden fruit but liued nine hūdred and thirtie yeares afterwardes In these words there is no contradiction or falshood as you imagine that which that you may the better vnderstand you must know that there are thrée sorts of liues and thrée sorts of deathes thrée sorts of liues as first the corporal life which is the coniunction of body and soule in which vnion the soule giueth all vegitable sensible faculties vnto the body his intellectuall and reasonable faculties hee exerciseth without the body Secondly the spirituall life whereby wée liue vnto God when as we being made the temples of the holy Ghost liue a sanctified life vnto the honour of God A third kind of life is that spirituall life which after this life the Saints of God liue in the presence of God in fulnesse of ioy and happinesse Likewise there are three sorts of deathes a corporall death when as the soule departeth from the body leauing neither sence nor motion in the body Secondly there is a spirituall death in this life when as the spirit of God departeth from vs or is not resident in vs without whose presence and ayde we cannot but fall into all kind of wickednes neither can we haue any motions of godlinesse wherein consisteth a spirituall life A third kind of death is after this life when as a man is cast into hell body and soule there euerlastingly to endure torments vnspeakable Now true it is Adam died not the first kinde of death which is the seperation of the body and soule the same day he did eate of the forbidden fruit as it was not meant hée should but he died the second kind of death which is a reiection out of Gods fauour wherin the happie life of man consisteth and that God denounced vnto Adam the second kind of death and not the first S. Ambrose prooueth out of the words of the text God saith not to Adam what day thou eatest of the trée of knowledge of good euill thou shalt die saith S. Ambrose but thou shalt die the death by saying thou shalt die the death hee importeth more then if hee had said thou shalt die For in saying thou shalt die The death he signifieth that he should die the death of all deathes the greatest death of all others euen reiected out of the fauour of God and that he died this kind of death the same day he tasted of the forbidden fruit I néede not stand to prooue sith the thing is manifest so that there is no contradiction in the Scripture in this point but the fault is in your miscōstruing it he died the same day he tasted of the forbidden fruit the second death and the same day also was his bodie made subiect to death which before by the fauour of God was immortall and this mortality of the body was the consequent of the second death To liue is to enioy those things which in