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A91190 A full reply to certaine briefe observations and anti-queries on Master Prynnes twelve questions about church-government: vvherein the frivolousnesse, falsenesse, and grosse mistakes of this anonymous answerer (ashamed of his name) and his weak grounds for independency, and separation, are modestly discovered, refelled. / By William Prynne of Lincolnes Inne, Esquire. Prynne, William, 1600-1669. 1644 (1644) Wing P3966; Thomason E257_7; ESTC R210038 32,460 24

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