THE ANTIENT RIGHT OF THE Commons of England ASSERTED OR A DISCOURSE Proving by Records and the best Historians that the Commons of England were ever an Essential part of Parliament By WILLIAM PETYT of the Inner-Temple Esq Non nulli taedio investigandae veritatis cullibet opiniâ—â— potius ignaâ—i succambunt quà m explorandâ veritati pertinaci diligentiâ perseverare volunt Min. Foelix Inter â—ericula veritatis libertatis 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 LONDON Printed for F. Smith T. Bassett J. Wright R. Chiswell and S. Heyrick 1680. To the Right Honourable Arthur Earl of ESSEX Viscount MALDON Baron Capell of HADHAM Lord Lieutenant of the County of HERTFORD one of his Majesties most Honourable Privy-Council and First Lord Commissioner of his Majesties Treasury MY LORD THere have been Authors of modern times who have in their Writings concerning the Government of this Kingdom published to the World That the Commons of England as now phrased were no part of the antient Commune Concilium or Parliament of this Nation before the forty ninth Year of H. 3. and then introduced by Rebellion A Position when seriously weighed equally wounds the Peerage of England since the same Authors say that there is no formal Summons of the Lords to Parliament found upon Record before that time After I had often considered so great a point and having often read of the freedom of this Nation that no Englishman could lose his right or property but by Law the Life and Soul of this so famous and so excellently constituted Government the best polity upon Earth which when united in all its parts by prudent Councils made always the people happy at home in Peace and the Crown ever Victorious abroad in War I did resolve to take pains to search if matters thus represented to the highest disadvantage and prejudice of the people of England were true or false which I have industriously and impartially endeavoured and hope with that clearness that will evidence to all unbiassed judgments the unsoundness of those Opinions When I had so done being unwilling my labour should be to my self alone and not to those who search after knowledge in these matters to disabuse and prevent others from building upon such mistaken and dangerous Foundations I thought it not unseasonable to publish this Discourse wherein there is no Record cited but in my opinion equally asserts the right of the Peers of this Kingdom as well as of the Commons and therefore have taken the boldness to send it into the World under your Lordships Protection whom I know to be a great Lover of Truth To which all mankind ought to pay Allegiance I should have had great satisfaction if before it had been put to the Press it might have received your Lordships judicious corrections and approbation whose knowledge and industry in venerable Antiquity and all other useful Learning is well known unto the World But this happiness I could not reasonably expect your Lordships time being so much taken up in the service of the Crown whereof your Lordship is so eminent and so great a Pillar as your Honourable Imployments both at home and abroad do sufficiently demonstrate I most humbly beg your Lordships Pardon for my presumption in this Dedication which fault I hope may be extenuated by the relation I have to your Lordship in my Profession and being deprived of other means publickly to shew my humble gratitude for the many favours your Lordship has been pleased to confer upon My Lord Your Lordships most humble most faithful and most obedient Servant W. Petyt THE PREFACE MY principal design in this following Discourse is impartially to vindicate the just honour of our English Parliament from the calumnies and reproches of some late Authors who have asserted 1. That an essential part of that Great Council viz. the Commons of England represented by the Knights Citizens and Burgesses in Parliament were introduced and began An. 49 H. 3. by Rebellion 2. That before that time the Commons were never admitted to have any Votes or share in the making of Laws for the Government of the Kingdom nor to any Communication in affairs of State To discover and refute the unsoundness of the second Position and that the contrary may appear to be true I shall before I come to answer the first consider the second and endeavour to prove that during the Brittish Saxon and Norman Governments the Freemen or Commons of England as now called and distinguished from the great Lords were pars essentialis constituens an essential and constituent part of the Wittena Gemot Commune Concilium Baronagium Angliae or Parliament in those Ages 1. Under the Brittish Government THE Brittons called their Commune Concilium or Parliament Kyfr-ythen then because their Laws were therein ordained and upon K. Lucius his Letter to Pope Elutherius to send him the Roman Laws the Pope who could not be ignorant of the constitution and frame of the Brittish Polity writes back to him Habetis penes vos in Regno utramque paginam ex illis Dei gratia per Concilium Regni vestri sume legem per illam Dei potentia vestrum rege Britanniae Regnum But what their Laws and particular Government were is very uncertain by reason that Scripta Patriae as Gildas sayes Scriptorumve Monumenta si quae fuerint aut ignibus hostium exusta aut Civium exulum classe longius deportata non comparent The Histories of our Country if there were any are not to be found being either burnt by the Enemy or carried beyond the Seas by the banished Brittons Yet this is certain and not to be denied that 〈◊〉 their elder time the People or Freemen had a great share in their publick Council and Government For Dion Cassius or Xipniline out of him in the Life of Severus assures us Apud hos i. e. Britannos populus magna ex parte principatum tenet 2. Under the Saxon Government IT cannot be doubted but that the Saxons who made themselves Masters of the Brittish Nation brought with them their Country Laws and Government and that the Commons were an essential and constituent part of their Commune Concilium Tacitus tells us De minoribus rebus Principes consultant de majoribus omnes ita tamen ut ea quoque quorum penes plebem arbitrium est apud Principes praetractentur After the Saxon Government became united and fixed under a sole Christian Monarch they still continued and kept their antient Wittena Gemots or Parliaments as now phrased wherein they made Laws and managed the great affairs of the King and Kingdom according to the Plat-form of their Ancestors Many Authorities might be given to evidence this I will instance in three or four 1. then We have that famous Parliament summoned by King Ethelbert An. 605. which my Author calls Commune Concilium tam Cleri quam populi 2. About the Year 712. King Ina assembled a great Council or Parliament wherein he
Father William the first 3. That the Son as well as the Father had several times solemnly sworn to the inviolable observance of the Laws of St. Edward or of the Saxon Government 4. King Henry does not depend on the Normans that came in with his Father no it was upon the English Common Council or Parliament nor did he call them Vassels and Slaves but Amici Fideles mei naturales in them he fixt his only hope and assurance both for their Fidelity and Courage and believed that they would as indeed they did preserve and defend his Crown and Life against the great Power and Policy of his and the Kingdoms most bloudy Enemies who were ready to Invade both with a mighty Army it being then Prudentially and Politickly resolved unanimously in Parliament not to permit or suffer the Duke to land here but to fight him in his own Country which the English then did forty years after the coming in of William the first and at one Battle not only totally conquered and overthrew the Normans but took Robert their Duke Prisoner and thereby put a period to the dangers and fears of King Henry the first and in despite of the French Power set the Ducal Crown of Normandy upon the head of King Henry an English-man and after Robert had remained for some time in Prison at last to conclude the Catastrophe of his unhappy life he had his eyes burnt out of his head and so by a sad fate left all to the English King From all which Authorities and Reasons under correction it is sufficiently evidenced that in the Brittish Saxon and Norman Governments the Commons as we now phrase them had Votes and a Share in the making and enacting of Laws for the Government of the Kingdom and that they were an essential part of the Commune Concilium Regni Wittena Gemot or Parliament before and after the supposed Conquest by King William the First Having thus concluded my Preface I shall now diligently apply my self to discuss that grand point touching the introduction of the Commons into our great Council or Parliament as represented by the Knights Citizens and Burgesses being indeed the principal work I intended and was finished before this Preface the difficulty of which cannot be well judged of but by those who have undertaken subjects of like intricacy for I have at a great charge and expence of time and without any mans assistance or help out of the dark and neglected paths of Antiquity endeavoured to make truth publick and general and with submission I hope it will appear that I have rescued from the force and power of a dangerous growing errour the just and ancient rights and priviledges of our Ancestors in a matter of the highest moment and concern which is impartially debated in the ensuing Discourse a subject whereof to the best of my knowledge no Author hitherto hath so particularly treated A DISCOURSE Wherein is proved That the Commons of England were an essential part of the Parliament before the 49 th of Hen. 3. SEveral great and learned Authors of our Age having in their works and writings frequently published and asserted to the world this Position as an unquestionable truth That the Commons in Parliament as distinguished from the Lords compounded of Knights Citizens and Burgesses had their first birth and beginning by Rebellion An. 49 H. 3. and that too after the Battle of Lewes when the Barons had the King and Prince in their power as Prisoners and exercised Regal Authority in his name The consideration and consequents thereof raised in my mind a great desire seriously and impartially to enquire into so important a point of Antiquity and the better to satisfie both my own judgment and the judgments of some of my Friends I have run over many Records and Historians both Ancient and Modern in Print and Manuscript but cannot find any authority or reason to give a colour to so harsh an assertion I shall therefore under an humble submission to so eminent Antiquaries endeavour to disprove this notion of 49 H. 3. by these following Arguments 1. From the Claim and Prescription of the Borough of S t Albans in the Parliament of 8 E. 2. to send two Burgesses to all Parliaments sicut caeteri Burgenses Regni totis retroactis temporibus in the times of E. 1. and his Progenitors if so then in the time of King John Grandfather to E. 1. and so before H. 3. 2. From Records An o 15 o Johannis Regis wherein the Citizens and Burgesses not so numerous then as after and now together with the Earls Barons Magnates Angliae were to give Consilium Auxilium ad honorem Regis suum statum Regni who shortly after met at London Convocatum Parliamentum de toto Clero tota secta laicali and so within the express prescription of the Borough of St. Albans 3. From the solemn resolution and great judgment of both Lords and Commons in the Parliament of 40 E. 3. against the Pope That if King John had An o 14 o of his Reign which was three years before the granting of his Magna Charta made the Kingdom tributary to the Pope he had done it sanz lour assent which must be understood to be without the consent of the Lords and Commons and therefore void 4. From several Records inter alia de Annis 28 32 37 42 48 H. 3. mentioning Parliaments then held and their proceedings in some of which the word Commons is expresly mentioned as well as the Prelates and Magnates to be part of those Parliaments 5. From an act of Parliament 2 H. 5. that famous Prince where it is declared and admitted that the Commons of the Land were ever a part of the Parliament and so consequently were part of the Parliaments Annis 16 17 Johannis 28 32 37 42 48 H. 3. all within the prescription of the Borough of St. Albans 6. From the form of penning of Acts of Parliament and expressions in Records in 49 51 54 H. 3. when it is granted that the Commons were a part of the Legislative power which agree with the phrases of Records of Acts of Parliament before that time 7. From the defect and loss of the Parliament Rolls of H. 3. and E. 1. and from the universal silence of all Records and our antient Historians contemporary and succeeding 49 H. 3. till our days 8. From the various opinions of learned men in and since H. 8. time who never dreamed of any such origine nor was ever heard of till of late 9. From comparing of the ancient Generale Concilium or Parliament of Ireland instanced An o 38 H. 3. with ours in England wherein the Citizens and Burgesses were which was eleven years before the pretended beginning of the Commons in England The FIRST ARGUMENT From the claim and prescription of the Borough of St. Albans in the Parliament of E. 2. to send two Burgesses to all Parliaments sicut caeteri Burgenses
intended that Peter Bishop of Winchester being then Chief Justice of England should go from County to County City to City Borough to Borough or as our Church-Wardens do from House to House rogare Consilium auxilium the proper business of a Parliament to desire and entreat for their Counsel and Aid for the Honour of the King their own statum Regni and the safety of the whole Kingdom surely that had been an imployment fitter for the wandring Jew or Johannes de Temporibus and such counsel must needs have been of a very different and various nature and both agreeing very ill with the words majori festinatione and urgency of the contents of the Writs Let us then enquire what were the effects and consequents of these Writs and that brings me to the second observation King John began his Reign 6 o Aprilis the Writs bear date 6 o 8 o Martii which was the Close of An. 15 o. It may be the Winds were very cross or for some other reason the Letters might not so speedily be brought over or published here or after the summons there might be above forty days before they met But sure it is in the beginning of July after that March being the sixteenth Year of his Reign we find Nicholaus Tusculanensis Episcopus Apostolicae sedis Legatus per nuntios memoratos Domini Papae Authenticum acceperat Rex Anglorum erat in partibus transmarinis sed quoniam idem Rex in recessu suo ab Anglia Legato jam dicto Willielmo Marescallo vices suas in hoc negotio commiserat idem Legatus in urbe Londinensi apud Sanctum Paulum grande congregavit Concilium ubi congregatis Archiepiscopis Episcopis Abbatibus Prioribus Comitibus Baronibus aliis ad hoc negotium Interdicti the very business of the Writs spectantibus proposuit coram omnibus formam restitutionis And the Great Selden the Honour of the Inner-Temple or rather as the Learned Grotius Honos Britanniae to drive the nail home saith But we know by what is already shewed that divers former Parliaments were in this Kings time meaning before the granting of his Magna Charta An. 17 Joh. though the Laws made in them be lost And in the year before the Charter also which was An. 16 Joh. the Author of Eulogium sayes that Convocatum est Parliamentum Londoniis praesidente Archiepiscopo cum toto Clero tota secta laicali wherein per Domini Papae praeceptum illa obligatio quam Rex Domino Papae fecerat cum fidelitate homagio relaxatur omnino vii ' die Julii Having thus proved a Parliament in the 16 th of King John and that the Citizens and Burgesses had their Summons to it which is remarkable by a Writ particular and distinct from that of the Lords viz. the Earls Barons Magnates Angliae I will conclude this Argument with the Statute of 5 R. 2. Cap. 4. where it is enacted by the assent of the Prelates Lords and Commons That all and singular persons and Communalties be he Archbishop Abbot Prior Earl Baron c. which should have a Summons to Parliament should come from thenceforth to the Parliaments in the manner as they were bounden to do and had been accustomed within the Realm of England of old times and if they did absent themselves and came not he and they should be amerced or otherwise punished according as of old times had been accustomed to be done from hence I shall observe 1. That there were Summons to Parliament of old times as well to the Commonalties that is the Citizens and Burgesses as to the Archbishops Bishops Abbots Priors Earls and Barons and so the Statute may seem to affirm the prescription of S t Albans that saith that they had sent Duos Comburgenses sicut caeteri Burgenses regni did to every Parliament totis retroactis temporibus before E. 1. and his Progenitors 2. That the phrase of old times is in point of prescription and antiquity applied equally and without distinction or limitation as well to the great Lords as Commons But if the first had of old times as our modern Authors write been the only constituent parts of the Parliament it might in reason and prudence be thought they would not have consented to have admitted that Summons to Parliament for the Commons was Coeval with theirs nor would they have ratified and confirmed by a solemn Act the protestation or declaration of Right of the Commons of England in the Parliament 2 H. 5. n. 10. That the Commons had ever been a member of the Parliament and that no Statute or Law could be made without their assent 3. That if the Lords and Commons absented themselves and came not to Parliament they should be amerced or otherwise punished as of old times had been accustomed to be done this branch plainly agrees 1. With the Modus tenendi Parliamentum Written as M r Selden saith tempore E. 3. That the first day the Burgesses and Citizens should be called and if they did not come they should be amerced and so M r Prynn mistakes in his Animadversions when he saith that no absent Lord was fined before 31 H. 6. 2. It appears Ex vi terminorum of old times it had been so accustomed to be done that this prescription may well be applyed to the Parliament of 16 Joh. and long before for the Statute of Magna Charta 17 of that King saith Civitas London habeat omnes libertates suas antiquas by force and vertue of which word antiquas their old or ancient Liberties and Customs not only confirmed by the Magna Charta of William the First but used even in the Saxon times and before were in Parliament ratified and confirmed The THIRD ARGUMENT From the solemn and great Judgment of both Lords and Commons in the Parliament of 40 E. 3. against the Pope That if King John had An. 14. of his Reign which was three years before the granting of his Magna Charta made the Kingdom tributary to the Pope he had done it sanz lour assent which must be understood to be without the consent of the Lords and Commons and therefore void KIng John An. 14. of his Reign made himself and Crown tributary to the Pope But Anno 40 E. 3. The Prelats Dukes Counts Barons and Commons upon their full deliberation in Parliament resolved with one accord that neither the King nor any other could put the Realm nor people thereof into such subjection sanz assent de eux without their assent viz. as well of the Commons as of the Lords and that it appeared by many Evidences that if he had so done it was done sanz lour assent and contrary to the Coronation Oath And if the Pope attempted any thing against either having at the instance and sollicitation of the French King threatned to interdict or out-law both King and Kingdom They would oppose and resist him
ove tout lour puissance The observations I shall make from this great Judgment shall be two 1. That above 300. Years ago there was not the least scruple or fancy that the Commons of England of which the Citizens and Burgesses were then undoubtedly a part ought not and were not to be present in the Commune Concilium Regni or Parliament of King Johns Reign and to have assented to that Kings resignation An. 14. to make it legal and valid as well as the Prelates Earls and Barons 2. If the Commons had never been a part of the Parliament before 49 H. 3. but that the King and great Lords only made Laws and had an inherent power as some of our Modern Writers say to tax the whole Kingdom de alto basso ad libitum suum jure repraesentationis surely they would not have left recorded to posterity so great a testimonial of the antiquity and right of the Commons of England then so distinguished from the great Lords as is expressed in the Roll May it not then be admitted they spoke nothing but what was an undisputable truth in diebus illis unless we must believe that the great and learned Authors of this Age better understand the constituent parts of the Communia Concilia or Parliaments of King Johns time and so upward above 460. Years since than the whole Parliament of 40 E. 3. the Parliaments of their Grand-Fathers time as was the Reign of King John And indeed this famous resolution was no other than a Declaration of the antient Common Law of the Land before the Norman Duke gained the Imperial Crown of England as appears by King Harolds Answer to his Ambassadors requiring the performance of the Kings Oath to take the Dukes Daughter to Wife and to preserve the Crown for him De Regno addebat praesumptuosum fuisse quod absque generali Senatus populi Conventu Edicto alienam illi haereditatem juraverit Which is recorded by William of Malmsbury Lib. 3. p. 56. l. 24. in vita Williemi I. an Author without all exception who flourished in the time of H. 1. and therefore could not be ignorant where and in whom the Legislative Power of England did reside there being but 33. Years from the coming in of the Norman Duke till the Reign of that King and of this Historian the learned Balaeus gives this Eulogium Vir erat suo seculo in omni genere bonarum literarum plene eruditissimus in eruendis antiquitatibus ingenio diligentia industria singularis Angliae nostrae nationis studosissimus illustrator Upon the Death of Arthur Duke of Bretaign the Annals of England tell us that King John was Summoned by the French King as Duke of Normandy to appear at his Court and judicially to answer the pretended murder of Arthur his Nephew whereupon the Bishop of Ely and Hubert de Burgo after Earl of Kent and Chief Justice of England nuntii solemnes prudentes were sent to the French King to whom the Bishop thus spake Domine Rex non possit Dux Normanniae ad Curiam vestram venire nisi veniret Rex Angliae cum una persona sint Dux Rex Quod non permitteret aliquo modo Baronagium Angliae etsi ipse Rex hoc vellet So careful was the Baronage or Parliament to preserve the antient rights safety and honour of the King and Kingdom An. 3 Joh. before any difference happened between him and his Subjects Anno 29 E. 1. the King sent Ambassadors to the French King ut quid de truga de guerra de pace deliberasset nunciaret and was answered se non posse sine duodecim paribus qui occupati fuerunt circa novam guerram tam ardua tractare but that he expected their coming in fifteen daies Quo tempore transacto ipsis consentientibus they declare that they could not determine thereof inconsultis secum Scotis Whereupon those Ambassadors returned Igitur convocato Parliamento Londoniis recitatisque frustratoriis dilationibus falsis machinationibus praedictorum Ambassadors were again sent and received this answer Quod Rex Angliae adveniret personaliter inter duos Reges de optima pace conveniretur Whereupon the King of England Aliud habuit Parliamentum in quo talia recitata displicuerunt ex totius Regni Concilio or Parliament definitum est Regem pro aliquo mandato vel suggestionibus ab Anglia egredi non debere From what hath been said the Reader may easily observe 1. That the weighty and great affairs which concerned the King and Kingdom both in the Saxons time and after were by a fundamental principle and law of the Nation to be consulted of and resolved in the Communia Concilia or Parliaments and that no particular person or order of men did take upon them such power sine consensu Regni and this H. 3. and his Council well knew when he told Otto the Popes Nuntio Quod solus non potuit definire nec debuit negotium quod omnes Cleriâ—os Laiâ—os generaliter totius Regni tangebat which E. 1. and his Council in the 23 th Year of his Reign thus confirms Quod omnes tangit ab omnibus approbetur 2. That the Generalis Senatus Populi Conventus Edictum or Saxon Wittena Gemott the Baronagium Angliae in King Johns time and the Concilium Regni or Parliamentum in the Reign of E. 1. were verba synonyma differing in phrase but one and the same Assembly in substance The FOURTH ARGUMENT From several Records inter alia de Annis 28 32 3â— 42 48 H. 3. mentioning Parliaments then held and their proceedings in some of w 〈…〉 the word Commons are expresly mentioned as well as the Prelates Magnates to be part of those Parliaments THE general Council at Runningmead held 17 Jâ—â— is 29. Years after and 20. Years before 49 H. 3. called Parliamentum de Runemed Memorandum quod in Parliamento a die Pasch. in tres septimanas Anno Regni Regis H. 3. 28. London celebrato negotium Crucis in Anglia una cum collectione decimae benefiâ—â—â—rum Ecclesiasâ—â—corum Domino Regi in Subsidium terrae Sanctae à sede Apostolica deputat was treated of An Utlary against William de Hastingcott was reversed and he restored to all he had lost thereby and this done Coram Rege toto Parliamento Inter Communia Hilar. 17 E. 3. penes Rememoratorem Domini Regis in Scaccario It appears in a Plea between the King and the Prior of Coventry that 29 32 H. 3. quaedam subsidia per Magnates Communitatem Regni spontanea mera voluntate Regi concessa or as Bracton phraseth it Ex consensu Communi totius Regui being one and the same with Magnates Communitas towards the marrying of the Kings Eldest Daughter and also the Kings Sister to Frederick the Emperour which was done in Parliament for the
two Houses of Parliament and that the Knights Citizens and Burgesses did not sit with the Lords the Prelates having so great advantage of the Temporal Lords in their Votes were very unkind to the Crown they made not use of their over-ballance for the delivery of the King and Prince then said to be in Custody 3. Nor have I yet met with any reasons given why when the Government of the whole Kingdom was at this Parliament of 49 H. 3. to be setled after so long and bloody a War the Barons being then so victorious and numerous as our modern Authors say they would by their absence hazard and endanger the loss of all by entrusting the Prelates and Commons with the over-ballance Many remarkable observations might be raised upon this Record both as to the Lords and Commons but I will now pass to my eight Argument concluding this with M r Pryâ—â—s opinion how the Parliament Rolls before E. 3. came to be lost or destroyed I will use his own words That there are no Records at all in the Tower except some few antient Charters or Exemplifications of them antienter than the first year of King John all the rest from William the first his Reign till then except some few in the Exchequer not relating to Parliaments being utterly lost the first Parliament Rolls yet remaining are these 5 8 9 and 19 th of King E. 2. the Statute Roll of H. 3. E. 1. E. 2. containing some Statutes made in their Reigns a Parchment Book of some Pleas in Parliament during the Reigns of King E. 1. and 2. and a few Bundles of Petitions in the Parliaments of 6 E. 1. and 1 2 3 and 4 E. 3. none of which are here abridged viz. in the Abridgment by him published only I find in the Clause Patent Charter and Fine Rolls of King John H. 3. E. 1 and 2. some Writs of Summons and some memorials of Acts Ordinances made and Aids Subsidies Dismes Quindisms Customs granted in Parliaments held during their Reigns the Rolls whereof are perished and quite lost either through the negligence of the Record Keepers or the Injury Iniquity of the times during the Civil Wars between the King and Barons in the Reigns of King John and H. 3. and betwixt the two Houses of Lancaster and York for the Title of the Crown wherein it is very probable the prevailing King's parties by their Instruments imbezled suppressed such Parliamentary Records and Proceedings as made most against their Interests Power Prerogatives Titles or through the default of our Kings great Officers and Attornies who sending for the Parliament Rolls out of the Tower upon special occasions never returned them again for reasons best known to themselves by means whereof those Parliament Rolls being no where to be found their defects must be supplied only out of such fragments and memorials of them as are extant in our other Records and antient Historians especially in Matthew Paris Matthew Westm. William of Malmesbury Henry Arch-Deacon of Huntingdon Roger de Hoveden Simeon Dunelmensis The Chronicle of Brompton Radulphus de Diceto Ranulphus Cestrensis and Thomas of Walsingham who give us some accompts of their proceedings and transactions which else had been utterly buried in oblivion as well as their Rolls wherein they were at large Recorded as is evident by the Parliament Rolls yet extant The EIGHTH ARGUMENT From the various opinions of the learned men in and since H. 8. who never dreamed of any such origine nor was it ever heard of till of late IT would be tedious to set down the various and wandring opinions and reasons of our modern Authors in English touching the beginning of our Parliaments and constituent parts thereof especially of the Commons as now called and comprehended in the Knights Citizens and Burgesses in Parliament I will but instance in a few eminent Authors and leave the Croud behind The great Antiquary Mr. Lamberd holds that they were before the time of William the First and there are other learned men who give their assent to that as a great truth Mr. Prynn saith By all the ancient Presidents before the Conquest it is most apparent That all our Pristine Synods and Councils were nought else but Parliaments that our Kings Nobles Senators Aldermen Wisemen Knights and Commons were usually present and voting in them as Members and Judges Polydore Virgil Hollinshead Speed and Martin are of opinion that the Commons were first summoned at a Parliament at Salisbury An. 16 H. 1. Sir Walter Raleigh in his Treatise of the Prerogative of Parliaments thinks it was Anno 18 H. 1. My Lord Bacon in a Letter to the Duke of Buckingham asks Where were the Commons before H. 1. gave them authority to meet in Parliament Dr. Heylin finds another beginning and saith that H. 2. who was Duke of Anjou was the first Institutor of our High Court of Parliament which being an Anjovian he learned in France But I cannot find that any of those ever supposed the Commons were first introduced in Parliament 49 H. 3. by Rebellion Nor was this opinion entertained by any Author I can meet with Anno 1529. 21 H. 8. for in an answer of that great and excellent person Sir Thomas More Lord Chancellor of England in his supplication of Souls against the supplication of Beggers discoursing about King Johns making in the 14 th year of his Reign and three years before his granting Magna Charta the Realm Tributary to the Pope declares his Judgment without any doubt or hesitation and therein as I take it the universal tradition and belief of all learned men of that and precedent times That the Clergy and all the Lords and Commons of the Realm made the Parliament in the age of King John and that never could any King of England give away the Realm to the Pope or make the Land Tributary without their grant whose Book and so his opinion we find approved of and published by a grave and learned Judge of the Kingdom Mr. Justice Rastall and dedicated to Queen Mary her self An. 1557. not much above a Century ago The NINTH ARGUMENT From the comparison of the antient Generale Concilium or Parliament of Ireland instanced An. 38 H. 3. with ours in England wherein the Citizens and Burgesses were which was eleven years before the pretended beginning of the Commons here AS great a right and priviledge surely was and ought to be allowed to the English Subjects as was to the Irish before 49 H. 3. and if that be admitted and that their Commune Concilium or Parliament had its Platform from ours as I think will not be denied by any that have considered the Histories and Records touching that Land we shall find the two ensuing Records An. 38 H. 3. clearly evince that the Citizens and Burgesses were then a part of their great Council or Parliament That King being in partibus transmarinis and the Queen being left Regent