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A47140 An exact narrative of the proceedings at Turners-Hall, the 11th of the month called June, 1696 together with the disputes and speeches there, between G. Keith and other Quakers, differing from him in some religious principles / the whole published and revised by Goerge Keith ; with an appendix containing some new passages to prove his opponents guilty of gross errors and self-contradictions. Keith, George, 1639?-1716.; Whitehead, George, 1636?-1723.; Penn, William, 1644-1718.; Ellwood, Thomas, 1639-1713. 1696 (1696) Wing K161; ESTC R14328 86,182 64

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the 2d Days meeting I only at present note these few gross things in it First He mis-states the Question which was not That the Light within is sufficient for Salvation without something else for the Light within or Grace within Paul and Peter c. is sufficient to Salvation without thousands of some things else as without thousands of Caleb Puseys and all of us but not without the Man Christ without us But the true state of the Question was and is That whereas they blamed my Assertion viz. The Light within is not sufficient to Salvation without something else They are obliged to hold the Contradictory which is The Light within is sufficient to Salvation without any or every thing else true Contradictions being betwixt the one Particular the other Universal but it hath been my Lot to have to do generally with such ignorant Men of late in dispute that know not either by true Logick or common Sense what a true Contradiction is 2. Page 8. His false quotation of my words citing my Book called A Refutation pag 38 39. where he brings me in saying It is a real degree of Blasphemy to say This Light cannot make Satisfaction c. But I use no such words therefore this is a gross Forgery which I charge upon the Second day's Meeting for in all that Treatise I neither said nor intented any thing of the Light within making Satisfaction for the Question there treated of by me was not about Satisfaction but Revelation what the Light within could reveal And I was so far from affirming the Light within as we give Obedience to it to make any Satisfaction for our sins that I plainly said pag. 41. ad finem That man's most exact Obedience to the Light in him cannot be an Atonement or Propitiation unto God for sins past or present 3. His Fallacy or Forgery pag. 12. in feigning a Contradiction on me concerning the express Knowledge of Christ necessary and not necessary whereas I never said it was universally necessary but only to such who have the occasion to hear it preach'd therefore I distinguished betwixt the Express and Implicit saying this last was universally necessary the former only to Particulars 4. Pag. 15. His most gross Assertion which is justly charged on the Second day's Meeting who have approved his Antichristian Book That surely Jesus of Nazareth cannot be something else than the Light Spirit and Power within For at this rate the Jews who own and confess to the Light within and Pagan Philosophers who blasphemed against the Man Jesus of Nazareth yet confessing to the Light within may be said to confess Jesus of Nazareth and if Jesus of Nazareth be not something else than the Light within then it is in vain to preach any Christ without that was born at Bethlehem and conversed at Nazareth But he is guilty of gross Forgery to infer it from my words He says pag. 14. The Word only is alone and admits of nothing else but I answer It admits not of another Christ but it admits of something of Christ without us that is not within us as Christ that died for us is the only Saviour this only admits not of another Saviour or Christ within us yet it admits of something of Christ within us that was not outwardly crucified viz. His Grace and Spirit As concerning the pretended Confession of Faith called Our Ancient Testimony renewed of our Adversaries from Pensilvania subscribed by Caleb Pusey and above Thirty six more though the Scripture-Words as therein recited we own yet seeing they and particularly he who have differed from us in Pensilvania have declared a contrary sense to all these Places of Scripture touching the things in Controversy betwixt us and have neither in that Confession nor elsewhere renounced their former Errors whereof they have been proved guilty their Confession is but a mere Sham and Mock-Confession G. K. ERRATA Page 17. line 7. for Days read Words Page 48. line 44. read clear me A Sermon preached at the Meeting of Protestant Dissenters called Quakers in Turners-Hall London on the 16 th of the Second Month 1696. Being the Publick Day of Thanksgiving for the Deliverance of the King and Kingdom By George Keith To which is added A Testimony of Fidelity and Subjection to King William the Third from the aforesaid People on behalf of themselves and others of the same Persuasion with them Printed for B. Aylmer at the Three Pigeons in Cornhill THE General History of the Quakers containing the Lives Tenents Sufferings Tryals Speeches Letters and Travels of all the most Eminent Quakers both Men and Women from the first Rise of that Sect down to this present time Collected from Manuscripts c. A Work never attempted before in English being written originally in Latin by Gerard Croese and now made publick against their present Yearly Meeting in London To which is added Fox's Conference with Oliver Cromwell The Tryals and dying Speeches of the Quakers executed in New-England An Account of their Marriages and Burials A Quaker's Letter to King Charles II. charging him with several vile Practices Keith's Learned Speech at his Tryal in Pensilvania The Tryals of Mead and Pen. Pen's Speech to the Judges His Conference with the Princess Palatine His Sermon before Her The Princess's Letter to Geo. Fox Margaret Fox's Letter to a General Meeting of Women held at London in the year 1692. A very particular Account of the Women Preachers Hester Bidly's Speech to the late Queen Mary Her Entertainment at Versailles by King James Her Letter to the French King Her Discourses with him The great Sufferings of two Quaker Women in the Island Malta The Rarity of Mary Fisher's Voyage to Adrianople The Audience given this Maiden Quaker by the Grand Signior The Present State of the Quakers As also a Letter writ by George Keith and sent by him to the Reverend Author of this Book containing a Vindication of himself and several Remarks upon this curious History Price Bound 5 s. Printed for John Dunton at the Raven in Jewen-Street † Note There is an additional Postscript by me G. K. put to this Book of G. W. Nature of Christianity the which Postscript I left in a Manuscript at London and with the Quakers printed with this of G. W. I acknowledg my want of due Consideration that I did not better consider G. W. his Words in that Book having many Years ago read it but too overly and not having seen it since for many Years till of late but I am sure I did really then believe as I now do that Christ as Man did outwardly and bodily exist without us for Proof of which see my Words in that additional Postscript above-mentioned p. 73. where at n. 11. I blame R. G. for saying That the now present glorified Existence of that Body or Man Christ that suffered at Jerusalem is denied by some Teachers among us I confess I happened to find divers Passages in G. W.'s and other
two Twelve months But if J. Faldo speak Truth against my Father I must defend him against my Father Hear what J. Faldo says p. 100 101. For Christ to be in the Gentiles rightly understood would be no hard Matter for the Gentiles to believe as to believe such a Glory to be attain'd by Faith in and Obedience to the Laws of a Man who died as a Malefactor and that this Death of his should reconcile God to Man with the Addition of such a Purchase To this W. Penn answereth This sort of Doctrine will becometh John Faldo I perceive I have not mistaken him What Carnalist in the World could have let drop a more perricious Sentence to the Doctrine and Kingdom of Christ than to render it more difficult to believe and lay a greater stress upon the external than the internal Work of Christ we must read the most weighty Scriptures backwards upon this Man's Principles he hath helped us to a new way of rendring the Text not this Mystery among the Gentiles is Christ in you the Hope of Glory but this Mystery among the G●n●il●s is a Man who died as a Malefactor by his Death reconciled to God c. Behold your Expositor I dare warrant this Man's Comment will never trouble the next Collection of Criticks At this rate the Lord Lord Criar is highly privileged and the Galatians had passed the most difficult Birth before they had known Christ to be formed in them Regeneration is a slight thing in comparison of the Knowledg of Christ after the Flesh This Doctrine brings not Men to Christ in them the Hope of Glory but inticeth them into the vain Hope of the Hypocrisy which perisheth the History is made the greatest Mystery and to believe the one matter of greater Difficulty than to experience the other 'T is strange that should be reputed most mysterious which was the Introduction to the Mystery and those Transactions counted most difficult that were by the Divine Wisdom of God ordained as so many facile Representations of what was to be accomplished in Man In short it is to lessen if not totally to exclude the true Mystery of Godliness which is Christ manifested in his Children their Hope of Glory We had wont to say All other Professions denied Christ within but here J. Faldo owns Christ to be in the Gentiles rightly understood But to me Christ crucified in whom the Fulness dwell th is a greater Mystery and a greater Matter to be believed I can shew many of the Philosophers that owned the Light within under the Denomination of the Word Light Spirit c. yet it was so hard for them to believe that a Man that was crucified as a Malefactor should die for their Sins Yea Julian the Apostate and Porphirius professed and owned a Divine Principle within as generally the Platonist Philosophers did and Aristotle also but Christ crucified they could not away with And now it is a Stumbling-block to these Quakers This sort of Doctrine well becomes J. Faldo See how he hanters him W. Penn thinks it is a Matter of little or no Difficulty to believe God sent Christ to die for Sinners and to reconcile God to Men by his Death But Christ told the Jews This is the Work of God John 6.29 that ye believe on him whom he hath sent And surely that was the Man Christ Jesus And he said also No Man can come unto me ex●ept the Father which hath sent me draw him John 6.44 And every one that has heard and learned ●f the Father comes to me ver 45. Now to come to him is the same as to believe in him with a true saving Faith So that it is plain he teaches the Jews that they cannot believe in Christ that appear●d outwardly among them whom God has sent but as they are taught of God and drawn of him And yet W. Penn makes it inseriour to Reg●neration as you may see by his Words Whereas true saving Faith in Christ crucified who died as a Malefactor to reconcile us to God is a great and principal Part of Regeneration and is as great a Work of God as to make us believe Christ's inward Appearance in us But says William Penn Behold your Expositor I dare warrant this Man's Comment will never trouble the next Collection of Criticks c. A rare way to refute him to banter him at this rate Now I will give you my Sense I do not reckon J. Faldo was so ignorant a Man that he believed a Man could be a Christian only with a traditional Knowledg or Faith of Christ without him But tho Regeneration is no slight thing yet I say comparing Christ's Incarnation that is a Complex of Mysteries a certain Writer shews a Complex of twenty and more Mysteries in that one Mystery of Christ's Incarnation I say comparing that with the Work of Regeneration I do affirm the Work of Regeneration is a light thing tho not light in it self Therefore this of W. Penn is but a mere Banter There is none of all the Church-of England-men or Independents or Presbyterians say the mere historical literal traditional Faith of Christ will save any But the Matter is there is a saving Faith of Christ without us and Christ without us as he is both God and Man the Emanuel as well as his inward Appearance in us is the Object of saving Faith but these Men would not own it I desire you well to mark and consider the several Passages in this whole Paragraph of William Penn's Rejoinder what gross and absurd things it contains He saith This Doctrine brings not Men to Christ in them the Hope of Glory but inticeth them into the vain Hope of the Hypocrite which perisheth Yea see how he makes it the vain Hope of the Hypocrite to believe that Christ without is a greater Mystery than Christ within that 's History this is Mystery according to him Now I have some other principal Proofs yet remaining about this gross Error of W. Penn. I shall read to you in his Christian Quaker a Passage p 97 98. printed Anno 1674. but the Printer's Name is not to it To conclude as Abraham outward and natural was the great Father of the Jews whose Seed God promised to bless with Earthly Blessings as Canaan c. and that they were figurative of the one Seed Christ and such as he should beget unto a lively Hope through the Power of his Spiritual Resurrection it will consequently follow that this Seed must be inward and spiritual since one outward thing cannot be the proper Figure or Representation of another nor is it the way of holy Scripture so to teach us The outward Lamb shews forth the inward Lamb the Jew outward the Jew inward As God attended the one with many singu●ar outward Mercies to say no more above other Nations so the Jew in Spirit doth he benefit above all other People I have these two short Arguments to prove what I believe and assert as