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A12793 The sale of salt. Or The seasoning of soules Namely such, as for whom the chapmen here doe come, and whom the author, which taketh the name of a salter, is willing, what in him lieth, to season with the salt of the Word, leauing the successe to the Lord, without whose blessing in such works we can do nothing. Written by Iohn Spicer, minister of the word of God at Leckhamsteed in the county of Buckingham. Spicer, John. 1611 (1611) STC 23101; ESTC S117790 175,913 412

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it selfe wee are not to thinke that all children doe perish that depart this life without Baptisme for so vnder the commendation of that signe of the grace of God God himselfe should be wronged and reproued and wee should derogate from his truth as if our safety propped with his promise weare not sufficiently ●orne vp Sith then there is no contempt of Baptisme found in thee the want thereof could not hurt the infant which deceased before thou couldst conueniently offer it to Baptisme Tract Then belike he would not forbid such to bee buryed among Christians but saith hee nothing of baptizing of the children of those whom hee calleth Papists Guid. Yes I remember in a certaine Epistle to a friend of his touching that matter he saith The promise not onely comprehendeth the issue of each faithfull man in the first degree Pag. 322 in Folio but is extended to a thousand generations whereby also it commeth to passe that the iuterruption of piety which was rife or had spred farre in the Papacy hath not taken away the force and efficacy of Baptisme for the originall is to bee regarded and the nature of Baptisme is to bee esteemed by the promise Wee therefore doubt not that the progeny of great grandfathers which were godly men doe belong to the body of the Church though their grandfathers or fathers were Apostataes These be the speaches of that Caluin whose doctrine Deane Gifford calleth psuedneuangelium a false Gospell and saith that in many points it is worse and more wicked then the Alcoron of the Turks See the exact disou p●inted sidce the fift ●f Nou. 1605. pag. 2. 3. but whatsoeuer any of them say of this reuerend learned man if you list to reade any of his workes you shall finde that hee goeth not about to draw men to like of this or that point of doctrine with shew of words onely but setteth downe his reasons also Tract If he should not do so his doings were but dotage in the iudgement of Saint Austin who saith Verba iactare nihil probare Cònt lit petil li 2 ca. 34. quid est nisi delirare To brag with words and proue no iote What is it else but euen to dote Rom. I pray you one word cozen sith you haue named Saint Austin tell me whether he were of this minde that all which are baptized are saued Tract I know hee thinketh hardly of such as depart this life without it vrging much these words Except a man be borne of water and the Spirit c. taking the word water in another sense then some doe but what hee saith touching your question is now out of my head therefore I leaue it to M. Guid-well Guid. Writing against Chrestonius hee saith Baptismus est sacramentum nouae vitae ac salutis aeternae quem multi habent non ad vitam aeternam sed ad paenam aeteruam non bene vtentes tanto bono Rom. I pray you English it I am neuer the neerer for the Latin Guid. What be you the better then for hearing a Latine Masse or a Latine Mattins Rom. It may bee we haue it in English now Guid. If you haue you may thanke the Protestants which haue so oft vrged that of Paul Let all things be done to edifying 1. Cor. 14. and againe yet had I rather in the Church to speake fiue words with mine vnderstanding that I might also instruct others c. Tract Come I know what D. Harding saith of that matter but let that goe and English S. Austins words Guid Thus it is Baptisme is a Sacrament of new life and eternall saluation the which many haue not to euerlasting life but to euerlasting paine not well vsing such an excellent thing And in his first Booke against the same man Aug. cont Cres gram li. 1. ca. 34. he saith these words Quod licet sanctum sit neque vllo modo praetermitendum quoniam sacratissima significatione praepollet quam multi cam tamen accipiunt non solum boni qui secundum propositum vocati sunt conformes imagini Filij Dei sed etiam ij qui regnum Dei non possidebunt in quibus sicut dicit Apostolus ebriosi auari numerantur The which thing speaking of visible Baptisme although it be holy and by no meanes to bee omitted because it hath a most sacred signification yet very many take it not onely the good which are called of purpose conformed to the image of the Sonne of God but also such as shall not possesse the kingdome of God among which as the Apostle saith are reckoned both drunkard and the couetous In the twentieth one booke of the Citty of God he asketh what it auaileth any man to be baptized if he bee not iustified Did not hee which said nisi quis renatus c. Except a man bee borne againe of water and of the spirit hee cannot enter into the Kingdome of God say also Except your righteousnesse exceede the righteousnesse of the Scribes and Pharisies yee shall not enter into the Kigdome of heauen Cur illud timendo c. why are many through feare of the first speach carefull to be baptized and not many through feare of the latter carefull to be iustified and writing against Petilians letters he saith Li. 2.19 Cont. lit Pet. that Baptisme being but one the iust haue it to saluation the vniust to destruction Rom. Inough of that now tell mee I pray you if hee affirme any to haue had the holy Ghost before Baptisme Guid. Hee affirmeth so much of that as he hath warrant from the Canonicall Scriptures for in the saide second Booke Ca 39. against Petilian he saith In Centum viginti homines Acts 1 15. 2.4 c. Vpon those hundred and twenty men the holy Ghost came without imposition of any mans hand But vpon Cornelius and those that were with him Etiam pruisquam Baptizarentur A 10 44 Euen before they were Baptized Tract By the Holy Ghost in those places may be vnderstood some guifts of the Spirit as to Prorhecie to speake with Tongues c. For in the 2. of the Acts the 4. verse it is saide They were all filled with the holy Ghost and began to speake with other tongues as the Spirit gaue them vtterance And in the tenth Chapter we reade that while Peter spake these words meaning those words in the verse 43. To him also giue all the Prophets witnesse that through his name all that beleeue in him shall receiue remission of sinnes with other verses afore going the holy Ghost fell on all them that heard the word For saith the 46. verse They heard them speake with tongues and magnifie God Sith you are gone so farre in this matter I pray you Maister Guidewel tel me were are all the Elect baptized I meane since Christ his time for before they vsed Circumcision my Couzen saith Guid. I might tell you many things if I were one of Gods