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A80416 A learned and full ansvver to a treatise intituled; The vanity of childish baptisme. Wherein the severall arguments brought to overthrow the lawfulnesse of infants baptisme, together with the answers to those arguments maintaining its lawfulnesse, are duly examined. As also the question concerning the necessitie of dipping in baptisme is fully discussed: by William Cooke Minister of the Word of God at Wroxall in Warwickwshire. Printed and entred according to order. Cooke, William. 1644 (1644) Wing C6043; Thomason E9_2; ESTC R15425 103,267 120

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be lost though some baptized perish then what we have received from Christ the Prophets and Apostles Might you not as well have taken up Nathan for preaching unto David 2 Sam. 12. to bring him unto repentance and conversion Why what needs this Nathan David received circumcision the seale of the righteousnesse of faith and of circumcision of his heart in his infancie Rom. 4.11 and had the spirituall grace bestowed on him effectually and must he now be regenerate and borne againe And why should David himselfe upon Nathans exhortation and reproofe Psal 51.10 pray that God would create in him a cleane heart and renew a right spirit within him which what else is it but the renewing of the worke of regeneration Ezek. 18.21 Jer. 4.4 Why should the Prophets exhort the Iews to make them new hearts and circumcise their hearts though they had received circumcision What would Nathan David and the Prophets have answered this subtill disputant if he had examined them thus Or if you had been living in Pauls time when he called upon the Romanes Rom. 12.2 2 Cor. 5.17 Ephes 4.23 24. Gal. 4.19 Rom. 6.3 Gal. 3.27 Corinthians Ephesians and others to repentance and renovation to put off the old man to put on the new man to become new creatures to be renewed in the spirit of their mind professing that he travelled to forme Christ in them againe Belike this learned Divine to use your phrase Paul would soone have beene dasht if you had but risen against him Why what 's the matter Paul Did not you teach that so many as have beene baptized into Christ have put on Christ are buried with him in baptisme What have they put off Christ risen againe to sinne Rom. 8.38 39. Phil. 1 6. Rom. 11.29 fallen away from grace c. This will not stand with your doctrine that nothing shall separate from Gods love that God will perfect the good work which he hath begun that the gifts and callings of God are without repentance Therefore you were deceived in saying that Christ is put on in baptisme or in teaching that men cannot fall away from grace Or if you had had Peter in hand when he called Simon Magus to repentance Act. 8 22. though he had been baptized you would belike have lessoned Peter better Why what needs this Peter Didst not thou teach that baptisme saveth and is he that was saved even now damned againe 1 Pet. 3.21 sure thou wast mistaken when thou saidst baptisme saveth or when thou saidst that the faithfull are preserved by the power of God through faith unto salvation 1 Pet. 1.5 sith Simon that awhile agoe beleeved and was baptized hath need now to repent as being in the gall of bitternesse and bond of iniquitie Thus if you had disputed learned Peter and Paul belike had beene in great straits what to have answered It was well for them that none of these acute Anabaptists as they are called were sprung up in those dayes One more instance I will bring Our blessed Saviour preacheth unto his Disciples necessitie of conversion and becoming as little children Matth. 18.3 as they would enter into the kingdome of heaven Yet elsewhere he saith Joh. 3.35 Except a a man be borne againe of water and the holy Ghost he shall in no wise enter into the kingdome of God Thereby as you gather assuring us that if a man be regenerate and borne againe he shall see the kingdome of God But I conceive you will not deny but the Discipcles had already beene borne againe by water and the holy Ghost Sure in this case had you beene in his time you would have more troubled him with your Dilemma then an hundred of the Scribes and Pharisees with all their Sophistrie What To teach that being borne againe by water and the holy Ghost Joh. 10.28 they shall certainly enter into the kingdome of God And that none shall pluck them out of his hands being given him of the Father And yet now threaten them with the losse of the kingdome of heaven unlesse they shall be converted become as little children which what else is it but to be regenerate Doe you thinke that this your arguing would have perswaded the world that Christ was a false witnesse of God When your reasoning thus against the Prophets Apostles and Christ himselfe shall be found unanswerable we shall be forced to yeeld unto you but untill then we who in this point have their doctrine for our warrant That though Baptisme save and regenerate yet baptized persons have need to be called upon to repentance and regeneration need not to regard your bold and confident asseverations I have the largelier set forth the manner of your reasoning only changing the persons if it may be to make you see your weaknesse if not to make others ashamed of their simplicitie which admire such disputers You would not have reasoned so if you had considered First that notwithstanding some abuse baptisme yet that hinders not but in regard of Gods institution baptisme may be said to regenerate or save And so secondly that they which have received baptisme according to Gods appointment as farre as we can discerne may be said to be regenerated and saved viz. sacramentally Thirdly that baptisme is administred to the members of the Church not onely as a pledge of remission of sinnes past upon supposition of repentance and faith but also of sinnes to come being both an obligation to us daily to renew our faith and repentance and an assurance unto us that upon the performance of that condition God will pardon in so much that our regeneration viz. sacramentall in baptisme is a main ground why Ministers should call upon us being baptized to manifest our regeneration in our lives seeing God hath given us the seale of regeneration to assure us of the grace it selfe if the fault be not in our selves and to bind us to repentance that we may be partakers of the remission of sinnes and hence the Apostle urgeth conversion or sanctification from baptisme before received Rom. 6. So that if in Christs and the Apostles time the baptized had need to be called to repentance or regeneration though baptisme saved and buried with Christ what absurditie is it if our Ministers call to repentance and regeneration those that were regenerated in baptisme in the forenamed sense For even in the best times some that had professed and beene baptized had done it unsoundly and hypocritically and so had need to be called unto sinceritie whereunto when they were brought their baptisme though received in time of hypocrisie should be a pledge of the remission of sinnes Act. 8. as in Simon Magus whom Peter bids to repent but not to be baptized againe Secondly others might have the truth of grace and regeneration and yet not give so cleare testimonie thereof to themselves and others as was to be desired Thirdly those that had truely repented