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A36499 A reply of Sir George Downing Knight and Baronet, envoy extraordinary from His Majesty of Great-Britain, &c. to the remarks of the deputies of the Estates-General upon his memorial of December 20, 1664, old stile Downing, George, Sir, 1623?-1684. 1665 (1665) Wing D2109; ESTC R8654 58,035 107

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be in War with any Country and have a few Ships Riding before a place without a Land Force to block up the same Is it not lawfull for English to Trade there Yea in Anno 1659. did not the Dutch East India Company make satisfaction to the English East India Company for three English Ships that they had then taken upon the accompt of their having Traded at that place Article the Ninth They say they had a Contract with the Queen of Achin for the sole buying of her Pepper and some other Commodities in certain places and yet that the English had Traded in the said places for the said Commodities Whereas the English were no Parties to the said Contract and so not bound up therewith and consequently no Action against them if they did so Trade Moreover that there were several Articles concerning Ships taken for Trading at His Majesties Plantations contrary to the Laws of His Kingdoms and in the said Articles it is acknowledged that they did Trade there and that a great many of the said Articles were concerning matters which in the Artiticles themselves they acknowledge to have been ended between the parties themselves and thereupon the money paid yet therein revived and payment again demanded for them from the same Parties And these and other Remarks of the like Nature having been made by him in the Conferences last mentioned to this day he hath never since heard from them And how is it then that they are pleased to say That he the said Envoyée Extraordinary and not their Lordships hath been the cause the said LISTS are not perfected Pag. 9 10 11. Concerning the Hopewell Leopard Charles James Mary c. The Deputies say That they were only hindred from trading in certain places that were either formerly besieged or blocked up by Sea that the English can demand no other Satifaction but only for the loss of the profit of their Voyage and so that these Pretensions cannot be very considerable that theEnglish themselves have done the like in several rencounters and that yet this State hath offered to His Majesty to satisfie the Persons interessed and to make a Reglement for the future Suppose the Case as is here suggested and as they put it that the places where those Ships would have traded had been really and bona fide blocked up by Sea without being also blocked up by Land which they do not so much as pretend to affirm how fresh and pregnant are the Instances of the practice of this State against such a Maxim as that When the King of Spain had of late years a great Number of Ships of War upon the Coast of Portugal and before the Town of Lisbon for the blocking of it up by Sea and though he had at that time a great Land Army in the Bowels of that Kingdom yet did they not send their Men of War thither and that not onely to force their Trade but also to take those Men of War of the Spaniards that had interrupted the same And when the late King of Sweden did formerly besiege the Town of Dantzick with a great Fleet of Men of War and had also at the same time considerable Land Forces in those parts yet did they not send a Fleet from hence and by force open their Trade there whereby they have sufficiently let the World see how little they will endure that Rule to be practised against them which they impose upon others and let it but be taken for granted that they may thus do farewel all the Trade in the East Indies or upon the Coast of Africa or upon any of those remote parts for any other Nation but themselves But with their favour this is not the Case As to the Hopewel and Leopard Hath it not been made out in several Conferences in the presence of the Directors of the East India Company not only by authentick Copies of the Commissions and Instructions of the Captains of the said Ships the protests made by them but under the hand of the Commander in Chief of the Dutch Fleet before Couchin that the Hopewell was upon her way from Surat to Porca and stopped in the open Sea as she was passing by Couchin to go thither and not suffered to pursue her Voyage and that whereas the Leopard being one of his Majesties own Ships according to the Instructions she had to that Effect came of her own accord in her way to an Anchor before Couchin to acquaint the same Commander with her design for Porca where the English had then a setled Factory to which the said Ships were consigned and the Dutch at neither of those times had either a Land Soldier within the Kingdom of Porca or a Man of War before the Town nor upon the whole Coast of that Kingdome that notwithstanding thereof they were both stopped by him and not suffered to pursue their Voyages thither And here if the said Envoy Extraordinary would give himself the liberty might he not justly retort on them their railing and reviling language for affirming as is here affirmed that they were only hindred from Trading in places blocked up by Sea And as to the Charles James and Mary hath it not been made out at several Conferences by Authentick and undeniable proofs that the places where they were hindred from Trade were not besieged or blocked up by Sea but only the Dutch West India Company kept constantly about Castle Delmina three or four Men of War who assoon as they heard that any Ship belonging to English or any other Nation was come upon that Coast for Trade one or more of them was sent to ride before such place where they were to Trade and then they must not trade there because it was a place block't up and if the said Ship weighed Anchor to go to any other place then the said Men of War weighed Anchor also and followed them to such place then they must not Trade there neither because that was a place block't up and so from place to place This is the truth as to those Ships and yet they shot at and took their Boats with their ladings wherever they endeavoured to send them on shoare taking also the men prisoners and in like manner shot at the Boats or Canoes of the Natives which endeavoured to come on board them and this in places where the Dutch had neither Fort nor Factorie and where the English had not onely a constant Trade but setled Factories and at places where other Christian Nations had their Forts and with whom we were in Amity and had a free Trade as namely at Fredricksburgh belonging to the Danes and let them shew that the English have done the like to them in those parts And whereas the Deputies say that the Dammage could not be very great since it was but the hindring of some Ships from their Trade and not the taking of them Is the defeating of so many Ships of East India and African Voyages a
usual to send every year such a Fleet as that for the convoying home of their East-India men and there is not one Word in the said Letter concerning that Fleet much less to assure him of the design and intention thereof and why they umbraged as His Majesties having Sixteen or Seventeen Men of War together in the Downs His own Port and where he is wont ordinarily even in times of the greatest Quiet to have as many for the Honour and Grandent of His Kingdom and he in the mean while not umbraged at their sending as many upon His Coasts when they had also at the same time another Considerable Fleet in Readiness at Home And suppose they had assured His Majesty in their said Letter to Him with all the Fine Words Imaginable that this Fleet had been onely Destinated for the Convoy of their East-India Ships had they not in like manner assured Him when they sent De Ruster into the Streights that he was Destinated only against the Pirates of Algiers and those Parts and yet it was after found that he was capable to Act elswhere and upon other accompts And if it be considered about what time those Orders must have been sent to him It will appear that his going to Guiny must have been in Design and Agitation about the very time of the delivery of this Letter to His Majesty for that He received them about the beginning of September New Stile And at the same time they had also in Agitation the Preparing of another Fleet under the Notion of sending thither which also was out of the Engagement in the said Letter and yet the Deputies would have it thought that the States had Proceeded with such Incomparable and Indisputable Candour and Franknesse towards His Majesty in Relation to these Matters Whereas in Truth all their Overtures to Him concerning the Dispositions of Fleets had Designs and Catches with them And on the Contrary His Majesty to shew His Reall Peaceable Intentions had from the beginning of the Reports about these Equipages Earnestly pressed that the same might not be and that no Extraordinary Equipage upon either side should be made for that then to be sure there could not be any thing of ill Ren-counter Surprize or Jealousie And as to what they say Page the Thirteenth That they did pay them off so soon as their East-India Fleet was Arrived Was not Tromp Commander of that Fleet and others of them after the Arrival of their East-India Ships Re-victualled and sent to joyn with their Lievtenant Admiral Obdam before the Ma●s and continued with him a long time after And as to what is said or His Majesties having promised to give them His Answer in Writing in Three Days It appears hereby how Exact their Lordships are in taking notice of and Expecting the Fulfilling of whatsoever is said to them even to the least Circumstance and Puncto and to take Advantage thereupon It were well if such Ministers as Reside here could obtain in many Months that which often times is promised to be given them in a few days but if they Please to Examine first the Memorial of the Ambassadour of This State to His Majesty of the 11 31 th of July last They will find it therein said that His Majesty had even then by Word of Mouth given him His Answer as to this point the VVords being That his Majesty had been Pleased to Answer upon the First Point Touching the Keeping of the Fleet from going to Sea that the Numbers which were Fitted and Prepared on His Majesties Side were no way Extraordinary but onely for Common and Customary Use and without Designe of bringing any Dammage and Inconvenience upon the Inhabitants of the United Provinces and that though they did goe out that He would give such Order to the Chief Commander thereof that this State should have no cause to apprehend any Sinister Encounters from the same And upon the Fifth day of August following His Majesty gave the said Ambassadour an Answer in VVriting to the like Effect And how is it then here affirmed That His Majesty hath not to this day made known to their Ambassadour in Writing His intention concerning this Matter And may it not Justly be said that he that was the Penner of this Book was either very little acquainted with hath passed between His Majesty and this State or very ill inclined For VVhat follows Page the Thirteenth Hereby may be Judged the Candour and Sincerity of the English for that before the time of this Equiping which they would have to be thought the Immediate Cause of the Violences they have done the King of England had already given Order to Attacque and take by Force the Places and Forts belonging to this State so that in serving themselves of this Pretext for the Covering of their manifest Violences they give themselves insensibly into a Ridiculous Contradiction producing for an Effect that which had its being a long time before its Cause As to how farr His Majesty is from being lyable to be Charged or Blamed upon the Accompt of any of these Matters appears by what follows where they are Treated of at Large but as to the Purpose for which they are here Produced viz. As if they had been made a Foundation for what had been done afterwards by His Majesty here in Europe If it had been so it had indeed been very Ridiculous but all the use that is made by Him in His Memorial of that Extraordinary Equippage was to shew that they did thereby inforce His Majesty to Arme also the Words being Page the Fifth Seeing himself Menaced with these Equipages which could not be but with regard to the KING Himself was at last constrained though very contrary to His Inclinations to Arme Also So they might also have saved the Labour of saying afterward Page the Thirteenth and Fourteenth It cannot be said these Orders were given because of the Equipage made in this Country or because of the Voyage of De Ruyter to the Coast of Africa seeing they were Executed before the said Equippage was made here and long before the Voyage of De Ruyter He was not so Ridiculous as to make that which had hapned after to be the Cause of what had been done several Months before and when and where and by such Persons as could have no manner of Imagination thereof Nor was ever the said Equipage or De Ruyter's going to Guiny produced for the Justifying of what was done by the English there and therefore one would think some more Grounded Occasion at least should have been found out if they had had a minde to take to themselves the Liberty of falling upon the whole English Nation with such Reproachful and Disdainful Language and which it may be is not elswhere to be found no not upon the Reallest of Occasions to have been given by any State to a Nation in General And to say no more the English have deserved better from this Country and