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A91153 A brief necessary vindication of the old and new secluded Members, from the false malicious calumnies; and of the fundamental rights, liberties, privileges, government, interest of the freemen, parliaments, people of England, from the late avowed subversions 1. Of John Rogers, in his un-christian concertation with Mr. Prynne, and others. 2. Of M: Nedham, in his Interest will not lie. Wherein the true good old cause is asserted, the false routed; ... / By William Prynne of Swainswick Esq; a bencher of Lincolns-Inne. Prynne, William, 1600-1669. 1659 (1659) Wing P3913; Thomason E772_2; ESTC R203220 47,789 64

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others They doe not violate their Protestations Vows Covenants nor yet break their Oathes Whether of them are the greatest Hypocrites Impostors let the world now judge The 5. Question between J. Rogers and me alone is this Whether the Jesuites and our forein Spanish French and other Common Popish Adversaries were the Original Plotters and Vnder-hand fomentors of the change of our antient Hereditary Kingship and Kingdom into a NEW COMMON-WEALTH and of the late Exorbitant violent Proceedings against the Kings Parliament and secluded Members to accomplish this their design Mr. Prynne hath abundantly proved the affirmative by punctual Testimonies out of Parsons Campanella Watson Clerke Richelieu's Instructions Conte Galeazzo the Lord Digbies and others Letters Mutatus Polemo and other Evidences by pregnant Reasons and Demonstrations both à priori et posteriori in his Speech Memento Epistles to his New Discovery of Free-State Tyranny Jus Patronatus Seasonable Vindication The Republicans Good Old Cause anatomized and in his Narrative p. 18 19 20. 40 to 64. 85 to 89. These Evidences a J. Rogers neither doth nor can deny in any particular only he contradicts the Conclusion as not sufficiently warranted by the premises when as most judicious Protestants of all professions and degrees who have seriously perused them are abundantly satisfied and conclude the contrary to this Johannis ad oppositum who bestows whole sheets and volumes of rayling Epithites Scurrilous scoffs unchristian a obscene Queres and sarcasmes upon me only upon this accompt that I have translated the Odium and guilt of the contriving fomenting the late Gunpowder Treason which blew up our King Kingdom Parliament Lords House and Kingly Government to erect a New Republike from the Protestants to the Jesuits and those of their religion who plotted the old one and would have fathered it on the Puritans had it taken the like effect as this hath done which I thought would have deserved thanks rather than such reproachfull usage from such a Zealet as he pretends to be But since he will needs appropriate the glory and honour of this last Powder-Plot transcending the former to those worthies for whom he pleads and to himself and his disciples and allow the Jesuites a many of whom he confesseth are doubtlesse in England under disguises and folding-dores p. 35. no share at all in its projection or execution I shall no waies envy them this new Garland wherewith he Crowns their Temples let them wear it in triumph to their graves or Tiburn I shall not envy them this new Crown of glory of which they are so ambitious that Rogers spends many leaves p. 27 to 37. to evade the Authors I quote to prove the Commonwealth a spurious issue of the Jesuits projection by his impertinent answers to them 1. He endeavours to evade my quotations of Parsons and Campanella the first projectors of turning our English Kingdom into an Holland Commonwealth by the agency of the Jesuits confederating with Anabaptists and other Sectaries agreeing with them in Antimonarchical principles by the help of a prevalent seduced party in the Parliament house when purged reformed after Parsons new model and by raising wars tumults in the Realm and then infusing this Principle into the Common Soldiers people and every Prec●pe or factious multitude getting the Title of a Publique State or Helvetian Commonwealth to examin their Soveraigns by what Title they hold their Crowns and to alter change the course inheritance and succession of the Crown and publike Government at their pleasures and disseise the right heirs general to the Crown and put them to their Formedon to recover them To which he answers 1. That these their Politicks were calculated to the State of the Nation as it was in Queen Elizabeths time when they writ to divide us with factions and divisions at home stir up the seeds of an inexplicable irreconcilable war between England and Scotland to deprive King James of the Crown of England to promote the Spaniards interest and hinder the English from infesting his Fleet and Indies Ergo the Jesuites were not the original projectors of turning our Kingdom into a Common-wealth though he produceth none else before or besides them nor yet prosecuted this design so long since laid afresh as I have proved they did in 1647. and 1648. for the self-same ends in substance by the self-same means and instruments 2ly He saith I should prove that This this is the same Commonwealth they plotted then in every circumstance I prove it produced by the same instruments means pattern they prescribed and that it pursued the same ends designs which is sufficient and punctual The rather because himself and those he pleads for are not yet agreed what form or kinde of creature their new Common-wealth shall be they being much divided about it as himself attests who spends some sheets against Mr. Harringtons and others Models of it 3ly He adds their design proved abortive in Qu. Elizabeths reign and in the powder-plot against King James What then Ergo they pursued it not since as I prove by late pregnant Testimonies and more than probable arguments is a meer inconsequent 4ly He objects the Jesuits Commonwealth admits no toleration of Religions never was against Kingship and the Office of it as theirs is nor hath any similitude with Jesuitism All false the Jesuits pleaded alwayes for i a free toleration of religion in England that themselves might be tolerated though they deny it elswhere they are k professed enemies to the office as well as persons of all Protestant yea and most Popish Kings and projected to make up a Common-wealth upon this account in opposition to Kingship it hath similitude with Iesuitism both in its principles witness those of Barclay and Mariana cited by Nedham whereon he founds it and in its practices of murdering Protestant Kings blowing up Parliaments absolving Subjects from their Oath and Allegiance c. by which it was founded supported revived What else he allegeth is but meer Froth of his wanton brain and scurrillous pen unworthy reply Only because he calls upon me for more evidence if I have it to prove his Good Old Cause and Commonwealth a Plot of the Iesuites I shall gratify him herein 1. Hugh Peters himself very well acquainted of late years with the Jesuits persons plots principles practices in his Letter to a great Army-Officer quoted by himself p. 12. stiles it A Cheat of the Iesuites put upon the Army and that with much regret of heart and spirit 2ly A grave Protestant Gentleman of the Temple last Trinity Term riding up to London meeting with a Popish Gent. of his acquaintance on the way they discoursing of these last Revolutions and changes of Government the Protestant told him that these alterations were but the Plots and productions of the Jesuites and those of his Religion who did but laugh at us in their sleeves to see what fools they made us At which the Papist growing somwhat angry He
thereupon forfeit his Kingship and Crown and became a private person and enemy dissolved the Constitution both of the Kingdom and Parliament and not only violated all Law in the branches but plucked up the very root of it in destroying the Parliamentary Establishment as much as in him lay and thereby introduced another Law of Arms From whence he deduceth 3. Conclusions 1 The Justice of secluding the Members 2ly The Sufficiency of the authority that condemned and executed the King 3ly The Legality of the remaining Members continuing and sitting as the Parliament and Supreme Authority of England which after the Kings beheading and other Members and Lords seclusion descended and was transmitted to them by the Law of war for the people This he determines to be Law and Reason too sufficient to convince both Royallists and Presbyterians of the Lawfulnes of the Power and present sitting acting as a Parliament by those few Members at Westminster secluding all the rest To which I answer 1. That if the Kings death by Law Reason dissolved the Parliament in an orderly cause because his writs of summons abated by his death they could not treat with him concerning his and his Kingdoms affairs nor he consent to any Bills after his decease Which he freely grants Then by the self-same Reason Law his violent death must dissolve this Parliament as I have largely proved 2ly If the Kings levying war against the Parliament did actually dissolve the very Constitution Law of the Parliament and Kingdom and made him no King at all but a private person which he layes for his foundation then it must necessarily dissolve the Parliament and Kingdom too and make them no Parliament no Kingdom at all as well as himself no King For how can the Parliament continue when its very Constitution is dissolved 3ly By this Position it inevitably follows that we had neither King Parliament Kingdom nor any Laws at all but only of Warr from the beginning of the wars or first battel at least between the Kings and Parliaments forces many years before his death But this the King kingdom Parliament the sitting as well as secluded Members both Armies and our whole 3. kingdoms ever denied in all their Votes Orders Ordinances Declarations Remonstrances Petitions Treaties Propositions whatsoever from 1641. till December 1648. and Nedham himself in his Diurnalls and Mercuries In all which the Parliament both Houses and Army-Officers stiled him their KING and the King and his party ever stiled them the Houses of Parliament Therefore this position must be a most Notorious Falshood wherein Interest doth grosly lie 4ly Those he stiles the honest faithfull Members in their very Votes of Non addresses passed by force and fraud in their Knack for the Kings tryal● Impeachment Proceedings Sentence of condemnation against him after our seclusion in their Declaration of 17 Martii 1648. after his death and sundry other Papers ever stiled and acknowledged him TO BE KING and ENGLAND HIS KINGDOM notwithstanding the wars between him and the Parliament Therefore the very war did not Vnking nor make him a Private person nor dissolve the Constitution of the Kingdom and Parliament else there could not be a war against or between the King or Parliament if the war it self unkinged him unparliamented them and dissolved all their constitutions 5ly No person by the a Law of God Nature Nations the Great Charter Laws Statutes of England and Votes of Parliament ought actually to forfeit or to be ipso facto deprived of his Office Freehold Liberties Estate Life without a legal proceeding tryal conviction judgement attainder Much less then the King himself the Supreme Magistrate and Governor of the Realm in whom all have a common interest unkinged and made a private person or publike Enemy and totally deprived of his Crown and Soveraignty Therefore his actual levying war against the Parliament without before any legal impeachment conviction or sentence of deposition could not unking nor make him a private person as the cases of Edward the 2. and Richard the 2. and the b Parliaments which deprived them of their Kingships after their resignations clearly resolved against this Jesuitical new Doctrine 6ly If the King by his bare levying war against the Parliament actually lost his Kingship and became a meer private person before any sentence of deprivation then by the self-same reason law every Traitor levying war or conspiring against the King every Murderer Theef Felon corrupt Judge Justice Mayor Sherif Inferior Officer by the very committing of Treason Murder Felony Adultery Bribery Injustice and breach of their respective trusts should be actually attainted of those offences their Lands Offices presently confiscated without any Indictment trial verdict judgement against them yea every act of Adultery by any Husband or Wife should actually dissolve the bond of marriage for ever without and before any Sentence of divorce between them which * Mr. Wheatly publikely recanted as a dangerous error And how destructive such new Nedham Interest Law would prove to all mens lives liberties estates yea to every mans soul since every act of sinne by like consequence should actually damn and make even Saints themselves to fall totally and finally from Grace and Gods favor let all judicious men resolve 7ly If this be Law then had the King and Parliament upon any Treaty after the wars accorded he ought to have been new proclamed installed crowned King again and the Parliament resummoned by new writs 8ly He confesseth this to be the very principle of Barclay the Jesuit from whom he borrows it p. 34. Therefore his present Parliament and Republike built thereon are purely Jesuitical by his own confession 9ly This Jesuits position is not so bad as his He speaks not of every Civil war made by a King upon his Subjects for which there may be just occasions but only of a King warring upon his people of purpose to extirpate and destroy them which he saith it seems almost impossible any King should be so mad as ever to attempt Which the King in his war against the Parliament by his victories proceedings against the Prisoners Members Towns he took during the wars in sparing all their lives actually really and oft times verbally and professedly disclamed in all his Proclamations Speeches Remonstrances Messages to and Treaties with the Houses Therefore his war against them did neither unking him nor make him a private person and publike Enemy by this Jesuites resolution 10ly If the Kings war against the Parliament did really unking him then certainly the Generals Army-Officers and Armies actual levying war upon both Houses of Parliament by secluding securing the Members and King did really uncommission and unarmy them and made them no Officers no Army at all but a rebellious rout and all Members concurring with them therein no Members no Parliament at all The sequel is infallible Therefore Nedham must either now disclaim this desperate Jesuitical position with all his 3. Treasonable
the other that we and the whole Kingdom may enjoy that happiness which we cannot in an ordinary way of providence expect from any other Fountain or Streams than those from whence were the poyson of evil Counsels once removed from about them we doubt not but we and the whole Kingdom should be satisfied most abundantly The Philosopher * Seneca asserts That all Nations are most ready not only to guard and defend their King though old or decrepit but to preserve his life with the hazard of thousands of their own not out of any basenesse or frenzie but because it is their own interest and safety Ille est enim vinculum per quod Respublica cohaeret ille spiritus vitalis quem haec tot millia trahunt nihil ipsa per se futura nisi onus praeda si mens illa imperii subtrahatur * Rege incolumi mens omnibus una Amisso rupêre fidem Hic casus Romanae I may add Anglicae pacis exitium erit hic tanti fortunam populi in ruinas aget Tamdiu ab illo periculo aberit hic populus quamdiu sciat ferre fraenos quos si aliquando abruperit vel aliquo casu discussos reponi sibi passus non erit haec unitas et hic maximi Imperii contextus in partes multas dissiliet idemque huic urbi Dominandi finis erit qui parendi fuerit which we have found true by sad experience Ideo Principes Regésque non est mirum amari ultra privatas etiam necessitudines Nam si sanis hominibus publica privatis potiora sunt sequitur ut is quoque carior sit in quem se Respublica convertit Olim enim ita se induit Reip Caesar ut diduci alterum non possit sine utriusque pernicie nam ut illi viribus opus est ita et huic capite Therefore let Nedham Rogers or other Pseudo-politicians scrible what they please to flatter any prevalent ambitious covetous faction or Grandees whatsoever yet if all our antient Parliaments Lords Commons Seneca our own experience God himself or Solomon the wisest of men of Kings may be credited Prov. 24. 21. c. 28. 2. Eccles 8 2 3. c. 12 13. Hos. 10. 3 7. Hab. 1. 10 14 15. Ezech. 37. 19 to 28. Zach. 9. 9. Lam 4. 20. there is no other probable safe speedy way to prevent our ruine cloze up our breaches settle our Church State upon lasting foundations and recover their pristine honor wealth peace unity prosperity but by restoring our hereditary King and Kingship the real Interest of all England and of Scotland and Ireland too both as Men and Christians which we ought in prudence justice conscience dutie pietie loyaltie now zealously constantly unanimously to pursue against all contradictions oppositions of any private persons parties self-interests whatsoever who if they had any true fear of God any conscience of their former Oathes Protestations Vows Covenants Declarations Remonstrances any Loyaltie to their hereditarie King any bowels of compassion or cordial affection to their Native Countries peace safety ease settlement or zeal to the Reformed Religion would like that heroick publike spirited Pagan Roman Emperor * Otho chuse rather to make a voluntary sacrifice of themselves and all their usurped power as he did against all the dissuasions of his Army Soldiers Friends relinquishing the Empire to Vitellius his competitor than imbroil the Empire and Romans any longer in bloudy destructive wars not against Hannibal Pyrrhus or any other common Enemies of Rome but against the Romans themselves wherein both the Conquerors and conquered did but weaken ruine and destroy their own Country Nation by their contests and make themselves a derision prey to their forein Enemies as our Grandees do now For the Negative That the late revived yet unformed Commonwealth and its future establishment to prevent a Relapse to Kingly Government neither is nor can be Englands true interest as men or Christian is evident by the premises and these ensuing Reasons 1. It never was once in imagination or projection of the Parliament or Army before the year 1648. but only of the Jesuites Campanella and our Spanish French Popish adversaries purposely to ruine our Protestant Kings Kingdom Religion 2. It was professedly disclamed * voted declared against as Treasonable and destructive to the being of Parliaments and fundamental Government of the Kingdom when objected by the Kings party 1642. and propounded to the House by the Levellers and Agitators by both Houses of Parliament and the General Council of Officers in the Army in June July August November 1647. 3. The Commonwealth contested for as Englands Interest is as yet but only Ens in potentia or meer Chaos a rudis indigestaque moles b without form and void and darkness is upon the face of it the chief Sticklers for it being not yet accorded what kinde of creature it shall be and much divided both in their debates judgements affections opinions concerning it Some would have it to be an c Aristocraty others a Democraty many a Theocraty some an Oligarchy Many are for a Roman some for an Athenian others for a Lacedemonian not a few for a Venetian another partie for a Helvetian or Dutch Commonwealth Some for a vast body with two heads others for a head with two bodies a third sort for a body without any head printing against each others models with much eagerness Now that such an Individuum vagum rude Chaos and Commonwealth as this not yet agreed upon should be Englands Interest and THE GOOD OLD CAUSE as Rogers Nedham Harrington and others would make men believe is not only a Fancy but Frenzy to assirm seeing Englands Interest was ever in being since it was a Kingdom and their Vtopian Republike like the Chymists Philosophers-stone never yet in esse but in fieri or fancy at the most and a meer NEW NOTHING as their Mercuries inform us 4ly The late unshaped revived Commonwealth and pretended Free State at its first erection like a prodigious All devouring unsatiable Monster raised our monethly contributions from 30. to one hundred and sixscore thousand pounds contribution each moneth and since its new revival hath raised a whole years tax upon our exhausted purses in 3. Months space and then imposed no lesse than one hundred thousand pounds each Moneth in lieu of the former 35 thousand besides Excises Customs New intollerable Militiaes amounting to thrice as much more Besides it consumed all the Crown-lands Church-lands publike Revenues of our 3. Kingdoms with thousands of Delinquents estates all alienated dissipated being more expensive oppressive wastefull to our Nation in ten years space than all our Kings since the Norman Conquest or Saxon line only to make us greater slaves to our late Mercinary Army Servants Fellow Subjects than ever we were to our beheaded King or any of his roial predecessors whose a loyns were nothing so heavy as their little finger chastising us with
Religion the best profession of which I have ever estéemed that of the Church of England in which you have béen educated Yet I would have your own Judgement and Reason now seal to that sacred Bond which education hath written that it may be judiciously your own Religion and not other mens Custome or Tradition which you profess In this I charge you to persevere as coming nearest to Gods word for Doctrine and to the Primitive examples for Government with some little amendment c. Your fixation in matters of Religion will not be more necessary for your Souls than your Kingdoms peace when God shall bring you to them c. If you never see my face again I do require and intreat you as your Father and your King that you never suffer your heart to receive the least check against or disaffection from the Religion established in the Church of England I tell you I have tried it and after much search and many disputes have concluded it to be the best in the world not only in the community as Christian but also in the sperial notion as Reformed keeping the middle way between the Pomp of superstitious Tyranny and the meanness of fantastique Anarchy The scandal of the late Troubles which some may object and urge to you against the Protestant Religion established in England is easily answered to them and to your own thoughts Kéep you to true principles of Piety Vertue and Honour you shall never want a Kingdom For those who repent of any defects in their duty towards me as I fréely forgive them in the word of a Christian King so I believe you will find them truly zealous to repay with Interest that Loyalty and Love to you which was due to me In summe What good I intended do you perform when God shall give you power Next in urging how long he was under the wing of his Mothers instructions in France but a few Moneths space at most and what a Nursery Flanders hath been for him since which is the most Jesuited place in the world as his principal reason to perswade both Papists and Protestants to believe him sufficiently affected if not sworn to Popery as if he had been there educated by his own voluntary election and not necessitated yea forced thither by the Army-Officers and those in late and present power professing themselves the most zealous Protestants and eminentest Saints full sore against his will The General Council of Army-Officers in their Remonstrance of Novemb. 20. 1648. presented to the Commons House as they demanded the King to be brought to speedy Justice so they propounded That the Prince and Duke of York might be declared uncapable of any trust or government in this Kingdom or any Dominions thereunto belonging and thence to stand Exiled for ever as Enemies and Traytors and to die without mercy if ever taken or found within the same After his Fathers beheading when he was called in and crowned King by his Protestant Subjects in Scotland where he took the Solemn League and Covenant according to their Oaths Covenant Duty Laws and principles of the reformed Religion our Republican Grandees and their Gen. Cromwel by a bloudy unchristian unbrotherly invasive war expelled and kept him out thence and out of England too and all his other Dominions by force of arms after the battel of Worcester Septemb. 3. 1651. From whence he was forced to fly disguised to save his life into France where he landed at Newhaven Octob. 2. and some weeks after departed into Holland to the Princess of Orange his Sister a Protestant residing with her and other Protestants there remote from the company and seducements of his Mother and all Jesuites Papists that might any wayes seduce him in his religion living wholly upon the charity of forein Protestants his own Protestant Subjects then and since swaying being so stupendiously unjust uncharitable as not to allow him or his Brothers one farthing out of all the Lands and Revenues of his 3. Kingdoms for their necessary support in forein parts and making it High Treason for any of his Protestant Subjects to contribute any thing towards their support in this their distressed condition so conscientiously did they practise these Gospel precepts Mat. 5. 44 45. c. 22. 21. Rom. 12. 13 19 20 21. c. 13. 1 to 12. c. 15. 26 27. 1 Cor. 16. 1. Matt. 25. 34 35 36 37. for which they may justly expect that fatal sentence v. 40 to 46. Yet not content herewith to deprive Him his Brethren and followers both of the relief company comfort of all their Protestant Friends and Allies in the Netherlands and force them thence into Popish Quarters to the hazard of their Souls as well as Lives exasperate them all against the Protestant Religion and enforce them if possible unto Popery they engaged themselves and the English Nation not only in a most unchristian bloudy costly destructive warr with our antient Protestant Brethren of Scotland til they had totally subdued them but also with our old Protestant allies of the Netherlands which war continued from Jan. 1651. til April 1654. almost to the ruin of both Nations then O. Cromwel concluded a Peace with the Dutch on these terms sufficiently evidencing the true ground end of that bloudy war That Charls Stuart with his Brothers followers adherents should be forthwith banished out of the Low Countries and none of them permitted to reside there or return thither again Upon which by command from the States these distressed Exiles were forced to remove into France much against their wills having no other place of safety to retire themselves to where they enjoyed the company of their Mother and relief of their Popish allies as likewise the comfortable Christian Society Charity assistance of their French Protestant Friends Churches Ministers Ministry to confirm edifie them in the Reformed Religion which Cromwell and their English inveterate Enemies maligning endeavoured to expell them thence and by quarrelling with the French and entring into an intimate League with Cardinal Mazarine by the agency of Sir Kenelm Digby a Jesuited Papist concluded a Peace with France in Novemb. 1655. upon this condition That Ch. Stuart with all his brothers followers adberents should be forthwith removed out of France and all the French Kings Dominions and not permitted to return or reside therein Being thus driven out of Holland and France from the Society of all Protestants they were necessitated sore against their wills to cast themselves upon the protection and charity of the Spaniard and fly into Flanders having no place else to rest their heads and there to sojourn among Papists and Jesuites in great danger and extreme necessity where to their immortal Honour the Admiration of all true Protestants and Papists too and the Envy of their Protestant malicious persecutors who forced them thither they constantly adhere to and publikely professe the Protestant Religion and will not be seduced from it to Popery notwithstanding the