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A06555 The English iarreĀ· or disagreement amongst the ministers of great Brittaine, concerning the Kinges supremacy. VVritten in Latin by the Reuerend Father, F. Martinus Becanus of the Society of Iesus, and professour in diuinity. And translated into English by I.W. P.; Dissidium Anglicarum de primatu Regis. English Becanus, Martinus, 1563-1624.; Wilson, John, ca. 1575-ca. 1645? 1612 (1612) STC 1702; ESTC S121050 28,588 66

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yet_o do_v he_o not_o loose_v his_o primacy_n in_o ecclesiastical_a matter_n etc._n etc._n 2._o my_o lord_n of_o fly_n now_o he_o teach_v we_o a_o quite_o contrary_a lesson_n in_o his_o tortura_fw-la torti_n ●ag_n 39_o where_o he_o aver_v that_o the_o prima●y_n of_o the_o church_n do_v belong_v to_o the_o king_n not_o because_o he_o be_v a_o king_n but_o because_o he_o be_v a_o christian_a king_n and_o therefore_o ethnic_n king_n have_v not_o primacy_n in_o the_o church_n so_o long_o as_o they_o remain_v ethnic_n but_o do_v then_o receive_v the_o say_a primacy_n when_o they_o be_v make_v christian_n and_o loose_v the_o same_o again_o also_o when_o they_o be_v excommunicate_v his_o word_n be_v these_o an_fw-mi non_fw-la regi_fw-la ethnico_fw-la praestare_fw-la fidem_fw-la fas_fw-la imo_fw-la nefas_fw-la non_fw-la praestare_fw-la in_o ethnico_fw-la enim_fw-la est_fw-la vera_fw-la potestas_fw-la temporalis_fw-la idque_fw-la s●ne_fw-la ordine_fw-la ad_fw-la potestatem_fw-la 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right_n and_o so_o in_o like_a manner_n when_o as_o of_o a_o christi●n_n he_o become_v as_o a_o ethnic_n to_o wit_n by_o excommunication_n then_o by_o vigour_n of_o the_o sentence_n he_o lose_v that_o new_a right_n which_o he_o have_v get_v but_o yet_o notwithstanding_o he_o still_o retain_v his_o earthly_a right_n in_o temporal_a thing_n which_o be_v proper_a unto_o he_o before_o he_o become_v a_o christian_a etc._n etc._n 3._o so_o as_o according_a to_o the_o opinion_n of_o m._n tompson_n and_o m._n burhill_n it_o follow_v that_o all_o king_n whether_o christian_n or_o ethnic_n or_o of_o whatsoever_o other_o sect_n or_o religion_n they_o be_v be_v primate_fw-la of_o the_o church_n in_o their_o own_o kingdom_n therefore_o all_o englishman_n and_o scot_n who_o live_v at_o constantinople_n be_v by_o their_o sentence_n subject_a to_o the_o turk_n in_o ecclesiastical_a matter_n as_o also_o they_o that_o live_v in_o spain_n be_v subject_a to_o king_n philip_n and_o they_o at_o rome_n to_o the_o pope_n and_o so_o to_o other_o in_o other_o place_n what_o now_o shall_v those_o man_n do_v if_o the_o turk_n shall_v command_v they_o to_o follow_v the_o alcoran_n the_o king_n of_o spain_n force_v they_o to_o he●re_a mass_n the_o pope_n to_o pray_v for_o the_o dead_a and_o some_o heathen_a king_n perhaps_o compel_v