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A70157 A just defence and vindication of Gospel ministers and Gospel ordinances against the Quakers many false accusations, slanders and reproaches. In ansvver to John Horwood his letter, and E.B. his book, called, A just and lawful tryal of the ministers and teachers of this age, and several others. Proving the ministers calling and maintenance just and lawful, and the doctrine of perfection by free justification, preached by them, agreeable to the scriptures. VVith the Quakers objections answered. And the Quakers perfection by hearkning to, and obeying a light within them, proved contrary to the scriptures. And their practices in ten particulars proved contrary to the commands and examples of Christ and his apostles. By a lover of gospel ministers and gospel ordinances. Gaskin, John, fl. 1660. 1660 (1660) Wing G290; ESTC R223664 109,852 161

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Spiritual gifts are necessary to make melodie unto the Lord in singing yet are they not the onely cause and ground of singing but the chief ground is the moral dutie lying upon all men by the commandment of God If any be merry let them sing Psalms now wicked men are merry as well as godly though they have no true cause All men in general are by the commandment of God and by the light of nature taught to pray to God for his blessings and to praise him for his mercies although I know you Quakers say and maintain the contrary having several times heard you affirm it But I shall make good what I have written by Scripture that it is a dutie incumbent to all good and bad to pray unto God for his blessings Is any afflicted let him pray is any merry let him sing Psalmes Also the Lord hath given a general Commandment to all men upon earth Sing unto the Lord all the Earth make a joyfull noise unto the Lord all the Lands come before his presence with singing Sing unto the Lord all the Kingdoms of the earth O sing praises unto the Lord. Now by all the Earth all the Lands all the Kingdomes of the Earth is to be understood all the People of the Earth Lands and Kingdomes and surely all are not Saints in them The Lord is a great God and a great King above all gods and therefore make a joyfull noise to him with Psalmes he is to be feared above all gods and therefore sing unto him all the earth So that Gods greatness and goodness in his works of creation and providence that concerneth all the sons of men in general are grounds of prayer and praises The Lord giveth food to all flesh therefore let all flesh bless his holy Name Let every thing that hath breath wicked men have breath praise the Lord for his mightie Acts and for his exceeding greatness and let us call upon him and praise him for it is he that made us and not we our selves Now God made all men the wicked as well as the godly and therefore they are bound to pray to God and praise God as well as the godly and therefore the Lord threatneth that he will poure out his wrath upon the Heathens and all the Families that call not on his Name What then shall become of you Quakers that not onely neglect this Dutie of Prayer and Praysing God in your Families but sit down to meat and rise from it more like Swine then Christians But you teach men so to do telling them that it is a sin and so teach men to sin while you teach them to disobey Gods cōmand The Heathen that were in the ship with Jonah may rise in judgement against you for they by the light of Nature knew that God was to be prayed unto and the Heathen Nincvites repented proclaimed a fast and surely prayed as well as fasted and God repented of the evil that he had said he would doe unto them Also wicked Ahab when he humbled himself before the Lord by fasting and prayer the Lord said to Eliah Seest thou how Ahab humbleth himself before me I will not bring this evil in his dayes But you Object That the Prayers of the wicked are an abomination unto the Lord and so their Praises for what hast thou to do to take my Name in thy mouth and hatest to be reformed I answer That it is said also by the same Prophet That the plowing of the plow-man is sin and it is a truth that the eating and drinking of every man out of Christ is sin Will you therefore say that wicked men ought not to plow I fear then we should want corn and if wicked men should refrain from eating and drinking would they not strave and would not they then be guiltie of their own death and so be self murtherers But you must learn to distinguish between Actions morally good and divinely good and between actions civilly good in themselves and divinely good Now to plow or do any other action or work of a mans calling are good civill morall works in themselves and yet the person doing them being not justified they are not good unto him because Whatsoever is not of faith is sin will you therefore teach that no wicked man ought to doe the works of his calling nor eat nor drink because they are sin to him in doing them The reason is the same in morall works to hear read pray sing Psalmes and giving of thanks they are works morally good being commanded by the Lord but the person doing them being not justified they are not good to him but yet ye may no more neglect these duties then the civil duties of your calling For if a wicked man neglect these morall duties he sinneth more then in doing of them for in doing of them he may have a temporary good as Ahab and the Ninevites and we read that when the young man in the Gospel said to Christ All these have I kept from my youth that Jesus beholding him loved him so that Christ did shew his liking and approving of those moral works which he said he had done Wherefore to conclude this answer I believe that although a wicked man cannot be saved by his doing works morally good in themselves yet he shall have less torment in Hell then those that do them not For he that knoweth his Masters will and doth it not shall be beaten with many stripes I have made a little digression in answering these Objections because I desire to take in all your Objections by the way and answer them hoping you will not be offended seeing your selves are often guilty of the same fault if it be a fault I aim onely at your good to rectifie your judgements But you Object That in our Assemblies many sing they know not what and many do know that they sing many of the Psalmes that are not sutable to their condition nor sutable to the time and season as when they sing O Lord I am not puft in mind they being proud and My hearts desire is bent thy Laws to keep when their hearts is against the Law This I have heard some of you often object unto me and others against singing of Psalmes That the ignorance of men in discerning the true matter or the right manner of a duty doth not exempt them from performing of their duty for if a man know not what to pray nor how yet that will not excuse him either from praying himself or from joyning with others that are better acquainted with Prayer then himself So what if many a man know not what to sing nor how to sing to Gods praise yet that will not excuse him either from singing himself or joyning with others that have more spiritual skill in that kind then himself That none are compelled to joyn in singing any Psalm in or with the
and holding it awry with dejected countenances which as I said before is usuall among you Quakers Now to shew you your error in these things mind what the Lord saith by the Prophet Isaiah concerning the Hypocriticall Jews in his time to bow down the head as a bulrush and Christ doth describe the hypocrites in his time by the same saying they are of a sad countenance for they disfigure their faces Now consider how contrary these practises are to what the Scripture holds forth in the dayes of the Gospel the Prophet Isaiah prophesiing of Christs coming in the flesh saith Sing unto the Lord a new song and his prayses from the end of the earth ye that go down to the Sea and all that is therein the ●sles and the Inhabitants thereof By the Isles some Interpreters do understand our Islands of Britain And fear not I have redeemed thee I have called thee by my Name thou art mine Therefore the redeemed of the Lord shall return and come with singing unto Sion and mind everlasting joy shall be upon their head they shall obtain gladness and joy and sorrow and mourning shall flee away I even I am he that comforteth you who art thou that thou shouldest be afraid How beautiful are the feet of him that bringeth good tidings that publisheth peace that bringeth good tidings of good that publisheth salvation thy watch-men shall lift up the voice With the voice together shall they sing break forth into joy sing together mind The Ministers of the Gospel their feet are beautifull they bring good tidings of peace and salvation they shall lift up the voyce with the voice together with the people shall they sing contrary to the practice of your teachers or praters who revile against singing But the Prophet David prophesiing of Christs Kingdom saith The voice of rejoycing and salvation is in the Tabernacles of the the righteous and this salvation made the Virgin Mary to sing My soul doth magnifie the Lord and my spirit hath rejoyced in God my Saviour and this salvation caused the heavenly Host to sing Gods prayses saying Glory to God in the highest and on earth peace good will towards men And Christ said to his Disciples Rejoyce that your names are written in heaven and the Apostle Paul saith The Kingdom of God is not meat and drink but righteousness and peace and joy in the Holy Ghost The Apostle did not place the Kingdome of God in meat and drink nor apparel as you Quakers do And the same Apostle exhorteth the Philippians to rejoyce in the Lord and to rejoyce in Christ Jesus and rejoyce in the Lord alway and again I say rejoyce and he commendeth the Thessalonians that they received the word in much affliction with joy of the Holy Ghost and exhorteth them to rejoyce evermore and this joy of the soul though it be inward in the heart yet it is manifested in the countenance an outward gesture as Salomon the wise saith A merry heart maketh a chearful countenance and a sad heart a dejected countenance a●● example we have in Cain having a guilty conscience it is said his countenance fell and the Lord said unto Cain Why art thou worth and why is thy countenance fallen The Lord would have Cain know that his countenance did discover the guilt of his inward part his soul I cannot believe that those who have true inward peace and joy can have such heavie dejected countenances as most of you Quakers generally have I can know you by your countenances though I never saw you before nor heard you speak and I wonder not that you are generally of such heavie dejected countenances because you do not believe that you are justified by faith but by what you do act and work or by what is acted and wrought in you Now the Apostle saith Being justified by faith we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ by whom also we access by Faith into this grace wherein we stand and rejoyce in hope of the glory of God and hope maketh not ashamed because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts and not onely so but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ by whom we have now received the Attonement Oh that the Lord would by his Spirit perswade your hearts to believe this Doctrine of Iustification by faith alone and then I doubt not but you would soon change your countenances And yet I know the natural constitution of the body doth much prevail with many for those that are of a melancholy constitution cannot so well express the joy and comfort in the heart as those that are of another temper and it is my charity to believe that most of you Quakers are of that melancholy temper which doth much help forward your Quaking fits and your dejected countenances But if your hearts were well grounded in the Doctrine of Justification by free grace it would bring you some of your quaking fits and would make you strive to express the peace and joy of your hearts by your countenances for I believe it is a sin to walk so heavily with such dejected countenances because I conceive it bringeth dishonour to God that his people should walk so as if God had never sent a Christ to save them and redeem them and purchased heaven for them is he not gone to prepare a place for them It is for wicked men who have not tasted nor seen the goodnesse of the Lord in the Land of the Living whose portion is only in this Life so to walk Also it is a sin because it is a means to hinder others from coming into the society and company of the godly for will not they think and say Surely these are none of Gods children that look as though they never had any joy or comfort in all their lives I have heard some persons say when they have come to the Quakers meetings to hear them and seeing in what posture they sit hanging down their heads sighing and groaning I will never be of this Religion for these people look like a company of condemned persons that were going to be executed liker then Christians that hoped to be saved by Christ Wherefore I conclude this particular that this your practice of Quaking and dejected carriage is a sin and therefore you are not perfect And so I come to the tenth and the last which I shall trouble you and my self with The tenth perticular practise much used by you Quakers is Lying now that ling is a sin I need not trouble my self to prove I hope you will all confess it I wish I could convince you that you are guilty thereof which I hope I shall plainly prove and first Do not you say that you are perfect free from all sin which I have already proved to be false therefore you maintain a lie nay you do make God a lier