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A88587 A modest and clear vindication of the serious representation, and late vindication of the ministers of London, from the scandalous aspersions of John Price, in a pamphlet of his, entituled, Clerico-classicum or, The clergies alarum to a third war. Wherein his king-killing doctrine is confuted. The authors by him alledged, as defending it, cleared. The ministers of London vindicated. The follies, and falsities of Iohn Price discovered. The protestation, vow, and the Covenant explained. / By a friend to a regulated monarchy, a free Parliament, an obedient army, and a godly ministry; but an enemy to tyranny, malignity, anarchy and heresie. Love, Christopher, 1618-1651. 1649 (1649) Wing L3168; Thomason E549_10; ESTC R204339 63,269 85

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9 10. and the men of Bethshemesh 1 Sam. 6. 13 14. 19 20. with many others to satisfie you herein that honest intenteons cannot justifie sinfull actions Besides this plea were somewhat the more tolerable if the intentions of the Army had been for publick good but if we may guesse at their intentions by their own expressions in print they will then appeare to bee more sinfull treasonable and irreligious Were not their intentions exprest in their Remonstrance Novemb. 16. 1648. and other papers of theirs as against an accomodation with the King upon any tearms at all p. 57. though never so safe or just for the taking away the Kings life p. 62. that the Prince and Duke of York be made incapable of government that if they come not in render themselves that they stand exiled for ever dye without mercy if ever found or taken in this Kingdome pag. 62. that a Period be put to this Parliament that the supream power be put into the hands of the people pag. 65 66. that in stead of this all future Parliaments there may be a new kind of Representative that all professing faith in God shall have a Toleration whatever his opinion be that the Magistrate meddle not with matters of Religion these and such like are the declared intentions of the Army which must justifie all their irregular and unjustifiable procedings by this it appears that the ends they aim at are no more justifiable then the means they use Now whether such intentions can justifie their irregular actions let the world judg so that I may say of them as one did of men of the Popish Religion if these bee Saints who bee Scythians if these be Catholicks who be Caniballs 3. For the extraordinary necessity the Army pleaded for I have but three things to say in way of answer 1. T is apparent by what was mentioned before that the end the Army aimed at were no more justifiable then the means they used now what can be more unreasonable then to make necessity a plea to justifie not only irregular actions but corrupt ends also 2. The godly in former ages had a more conscientious tendernesse then to make necessity a plea and patron of impiety they thought it better to suffer the greatest evill then to commit the least sin Ferenda est magis omnis necessitas duam perpe●randa est aliqua iniquitas said Aug. in Ps. 73. yea it was a Maxime among the primitive Christiane Nulla est necessitas delinquendi quibus una est necessitas non delinquendi 3. I am of the same mind with the subscribers viz. that the necessity pleaded for is either meerly pretended or else contracted by their own misscarriages And this I am induced to beleeve because at one time they plead a necessity for treating with the King as they confest in a Letter to the House of Common● July 18. 1647. And at another time plead a necessity for their violence 〈◊〉 the Parliament because they did 〈◊〉 with the King must not this be a pretended necessity In one Remonstrance in June 23. 1647 they say There can be no peace in this Kingdome 〈◊〉 and lasting without a provision for the Rights Quiet and 〈◊〉 of His Majesties Royall family And in mother Remonstrance of November 16 1648. they declare that it can neither be just before God nor safe for the Kingdom to have any accommodation with the King upon any terms at all that shall imply His Restitution c. but that he must be brought to tryall and judgment for treason and blood he was guilty of Is not this ground sufficient to suspect that the necessity pleaded for is but pretended or contracted when they have done the quite contrary this year to what they did the last yet plead a necessity for doing of both though never so contrariant the one to the other So much at present to this plea of necessity I shall have occasion afterwards to speak more to this point I observe by pag. 16 17. that you are not content to vent your passions against the Ministers of London only but also against the secluded and imprisoned Members of Parliament whom you falsely accuse for countenancing the tumultuous violence of the Apprentices imbezling the 200000 l. appointed for the relief of Ireland corresponding with the revolted ships the Scots Army and the Insurrections in Kent c. For the taking off those scandalls from those renowned Gentlemen I referre the Reader to that clear and satisfactory Vindication of the imprisoned and secluded Members of the House of Commons printed January 20. 1648. Hoping that the Lord will bring forth their righteousnesse as the light and their just dealing as the noon day You have been as full of changes as the vannes of your steeples one while stirring up the people against the King and for the Parliament witnesse many of your Sermons preacht before the Houses and elsewhere Answ. 1. With what face dare you who have been tossed to and fro with every wind of doctrin accuse so many grave and godly Ministers of ●icklenesse who have still kept their first stedfastnesse turning neither to the right hand nor to the left Indeed you and your teachers have been as changeable as the Vannes but the Ministers of London as fixt and immoveable in their principles as the Steeples themselves 2. If you mean by stirring up the People against the King and for the Parliament that the ministers did being called thereunto plead for the lawfulnesse of defensive arms against the King with his forces this I grant for they were bound by a Solemne Oath to assist the Forces raised by the Parliament against the Forces raised by the King without their consent But if by stirring up the people against the King you mean the bringing of the King to capitall punishment or the taking away of his life then I flatly deny that any of the subscribers did stirre up the people to that end or that they have any books or Sermons in print to that purpose I am sure many of them in their Bookes and Sermons did expresse their utter abhorrency of any such intendment I 'le instance but in two of the subscribers though I could mention many more the one is Mr. Case who though he were a zealous Anti-cavalierist yet no Anti-carolist in a Fast Sermon before the House of Commons 26. October 1642. pag. 11 12. hath these words It is and hath been from ancient times the cursed policy of desperate malignant Courtiers and Counsellors when they would arme Princes and Potentates against the poore people of God to possesse their ears and hearts with this prejudice that they are enemies to Monarchy With such jealousies did the enemies of God and his people in the neighbour Nation of Scotland labour to possesse his Majesty towards those his loyall Subjects there they were represented to His Majesty as Traitours and Rebels that intended nothing else but to un-Crowne and