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A54120 The Christian-Quaker and his divine testimony vindicated by Scripture, reason, and authorities against the injurious attempts that have been lately made by several adversaries, with manifest design to rendor him odiously inconsistent with Christianity and civil society : in II parts. / The first more general by William Penn ; the second more particular by George Whitehead. Penn, William, 1644-1718.; Whitehead, George, 1636?-1723. 1674 (1674) Wing P1266; ESTC R37076 464,302 582

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The Lord's Supper in the Type and in the Anti-Type the Shadow and Substance distinguished H. G. THe Ordinance of the Lord's Supper you call Bread and Wine p. 19. H. G. Contradiction The Sign the Shadow speaking of their Ordinances the Substance being Christ p. 53 54. G. W. his Animadversion Your pretended Lord's Supper then is no more then Bread and Wine the Sign the Shadow and therefore their Continuation of no Necessity in the true Church which hath received Christ the Substance Thus far he cites my Words and leaves out what follows The living Bread who spiritually communicates his Flesh and Blood or Fruit of the heavenly Vine without your Shadows and this is our Lord's Supper that we pertake of and our Baptism is spiritual 1 Cor. 12 13. Ephes. 4. 5. and as in 1 Pet. 3. 21. It s said to the which also the 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Anti Type that now saveth us even Baptism agreeth His Contradiction before is between his calling their Bread and Wine the Lord's Supper now remaining in full Force and yet confessing them to be the Sign the Shadow and that the Substance is Christ. If that you call the Lord's Supper be a Shadow as of Christ to come it cannot be that Lord's Supper which remains in full Force where he is come to sup together with them who have received him in as being the Substance which ends the Shadows but H.G. Attempts to reconcile his Contradiction by speaking of sitting down under Christ's Shadow p. 9. When as its very obvious that his Sence of Christ's Shad●… here much differs from his Sence of their preten●…ed Supper being a Shadow of Christ the Substance as to come whereas Shadow is metaphorical in the one real in the other for were it good Doctrine to say You must sit down under Christ's Shadow till he come Or that Christ is not come to his Church while she sits down under his Shadow or that your Bread and Wine as a Sign and Shadow of Christ the Substance is that very Shadow of his that the Church is alwayes to sit down under while upon Earth Whereas what he saith of sitting down under his Shadow is taken out of Canticles 2. 3. As the Apple-Tree among the Trees of the Wood so is my Beloved among the Sons I sat down under his Shadow with Delight and his Fruit was sweet to my Tast See how plain it is that the Simile here is take●… from sitting down under the Shadow of an Apple-Tree and eating of the Apples Were it good Sence to say I must sit down under the Shadow of an Apple-Tree and eat the Fruit thereof until the Tree come when both Tree and Fruit are then present And so is Christ with his Church when she sits down under his Shadow and pertakes of his living Fruit where then there is no Necessity of your outside Shadows And yet H. G. in contradiction to his confessing their Ordinance to be the Shadow he is still imposing upon his Opposer That the Practice of it is to be kept up in the same manner as Christ the Night before he ●…e was betrayed instituted p. 9. But I ask do you Baptists observe and keep a real Supper in the very same manner that Christ then did with his Disciples Be plain and ingenuous herein have you the Passover at a real Supper And have you the Cup both before and after Supper as Christ and his Disciples had Luke 22. 15 16 17 18 19 20. And was all this either an Institution of Christ or of Necessity to continue in the Church When as what Christ saith of the Passover to wit I will not any more eat thereof until it be fulfilled in the Kingdom of God verse 16. The like he saith of the Cup I will drink no more of the Fruit of the Vine until I drink it new with you in the Kingdom of God Mat. 26. 29. Mark 14. 25. and Luke 22. 16 18. Doth not this shew as much a discontinuance of he Cup as the Passover And there 's no mention of Christ's taking Wine or the Cup after his Resurrection either to continue confirm or re-inforce it as a commemoration of his Death when he sat at Meat with them and took Bread and blessed it and brake and gave them that their Eyes were opened and he was known of them in breaking of Bread after he was ●…isen Luke 24. 30 31. Jo●… 21. 13. Howbeit H. G. is pleased to cite Acts 2. 42. and Chap. 20. to prove that the Lord's Supper and the Practice of it is to be kept up in the same manner as Christ did the Night before he was betrayed I ask again do you Anabaptists practise it in the same manner And have we not the more Reason to deny your Practice if it be not in the same manner as pretended here Whereas in Acts 2. 42. its said They continued stedfastly in the Apostles Doctrine and Fellowship and in breaking of Bread and in Prayers wherein is no mention either of the Wine the Cup the Supper or Passover also it s then said that all that believed were together and had all things common and sould their Possessions and Goods ver 44 45. Now if what they did must be binding to Posterities because practiced why do not the Baptists imitate those Believers in this of selling their Possessions c But were it not a very preposterous Way of arguing to conclude a continuance of Commands and Duties from Practices And in Acts 20. 7. Upon the first day of the Week the Disciples came together to break Bread and that Paul had broken Bread ver 11. according to Christ's Practice after he was risen And in 1 Cor. 11. Paul gives a Recitation both of the Bread and Cup that Christ gave in the Figure to shew the Lord s Death till he did come as also of the Substance to wit the Body and Blood of Christ which he was a Partaker of in the Mystery but as the Corrinthians were too carnal and Envying and Strife and Divisions were amongst them and some lyable to Idolatry 1 Cor. 3. 1 3. Chap. 10. 14. and 11. 17 18 19. the Apostle said I could not speak unto you as unto spiritual but as unto carnal so as then they had not the clear Sight of Christ as the Substance or Mystery of his Body and Blood and the very Stress Drift and Scope of the Apostles Testimony was to exalt the Substance and Mystery and to bring them into a spiritual Mind and State for which see also 1 Cor. 10. 14 15 16 17. and in 2 Cor. 13. 5. he saith Examine your selves whether ye be in the Faith prove your selves know you not your own selves how that Jesus Christ is in you except ye be Reprobates Now Jesus Christ is confessed to be the Substance when your pretended Lord's Supper is but the Sign the Shadow or the Figure If his saying This is my Body be but a figurative Speech according to the
Martyrs p. 9. And I require this Man to prove that Gospel-Ordinances are a Shadow as he hath confessed their Supper to be H. G. I would know of this Man where he reads of any thing called the Lord's Supper but this which we contend for pag. 10. Answ. You are contending but for the Shadow but there is the Lord's Supper in the Mystery for saith the faithful and true Witness the beginning of the Creation of God Behold I stand at the Door and knock If any man hear my Voice and open the door I will come in to him and will sup with him and he with me Rev. 3. 20. Is not this the Lord's Supper that 's above the Shadow And Christ said I appointed unto you a Kingdom as my Father hath appointed unto me that ye may eat and drink at my Table in my Kingdom Luke 22. 29 30. Verily I say unto you I will drink no more of the Fruit of the Vine until that day that I drink it new with you in my Father's Kingdom Is not this the Lord's Supper in the Mystery or Anti-Type And I am the Bread of Life I am the living Bread which came down from Heaven if any Man eat of this Bread he shall live for ever and the Bread that I give is my Flesh that I give for the Life of the World He that eateth my Flesh and drinketh my Blood dwelleth in me and I in him Joh. 6. Is not this living Bread from Heaven conf●…st to be the Substance and the ontward Bread the Shadow thereof H. G. I do affirm That this is spiritual to wit the Lords Supper the Baptist p. 10. Answ. The Lord's Supper in the Mystery is spiritual but not your Bread and Wine unless they be transubstantiated which we utterly deny H. G. The Ordinance of Water-Baptism was given forth by Christ after his Resurrection Mat. 28. 20. Answ. There 's no mention of Water but baptizing them 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 into the Name of the Father Son and Holy Spirit and this Baptism was saving so is not your dipping H. G. And this of the Lords Supper Paul received of Christ sometime after his Ascension 1 Cor. 11. 23. Answ. 1st Paul received of Christ the Lords Supper in the Mystery not in the Shadow 1 Cor. 10. 15 16 17. yet he delivered unto them the Relation how the Lord Jesus took Bread and the Cup the same Night in which he was betrayed ver 23 24. which he applyed to a spiritual End ver 28. explained before Chap. 20. 16. and he delivered the Gospel as well touching Christ's Resurrection as his Death 1 Cor. 15. 3. and for their being baptized into his Death and raised in the Likeness of his Resurrection which was more then a Remembrance of his Death in or by the Shadow which could not be positively enjoyned by as oft as ye do this 2. That which the Apostle received of the Lord was the Gospel and a Gospel-Discovery of the Substance which was beyond and above the Shadow And his Recitation of the Shadow was directly to point at the Substance viz. that Bread and that Cup which was the Body and Blood of Christ and the spiritual Communication thereof he was a Minister of the Gospel the Dispensation whereof was not a Dispensation of Shadow but of Substance H. G. The end of this Ordinance doth remain notwithstaning the pourings forth of the Spirit and therefore the Ordinance must needs remain which is to confirm our Faith in the true Saviour and to keep up our Love to him p. 21. G. W. What Faith and Love are these of theirs which are confirmed by Bread and Wine and what Idolatry and Diversion from the Spirit doth their Doctrine tend to herein Surely the holy Spirit can best supply the said End Gal. 5. 22. H. G. Rep. This Ordinance tends to increase our Love to him and our Faith in him therefore the end remains unless you can prove Christ is come the second time without Sin unto Salvation do you suppose there is no need of this Ordinance because the Spirit can best supply the said End p. 11. Answ. There 's no need of the Shadow where the Substance is enjoyed and whilst thou Henry hast confessed your Supper as its called to be the Shadow the Substance being Christ thou dost but contradictorily begg the Question calling it a Gospel-Ordinance the Lords Supper in full Force the Ordinance the Ordinance 2. Thou dost but imagine a Confirmation and Increase of Faith in and Love to Christ by your Bread and Wine which they cannot do true Love and Faith being Fruits of the Spirit which in that it can best and only supply this End which idolatrously thou proposest to reap from thy pretended Supper There can be no Necessity of this thy Shadow for any such End to the Soul can there be any need of that which cannot supply the Soul when that which best can do it is manifest Is there Necessity where there 's Plenty or a full Supply 3. Whether those Believers in the Apostles dayes who hoped and looked for Christ's appearing the second time without Sin unto Salvation Heb. 9. 28. did not accordingly come to experience his Appearance unto their Salvation H. G. Darest thou say the Spirit can best supply those Ends without making use of the means God in his Word doth direct unto The Usefulness and Sufficiency of the Spirit in fulfilling of its Work doth not dis-annul Christ's Precepts p. 12 Answ. 1. I would know where the Word of God hath dictated that your shadowy Supper of Bread and Wine is the means to confirm true Faith in Christ or increase your Love to him or else confess thy Error for the means thou talkst of must have reference to what we were upon before about your pretended Supper or else thou art insignificant and impertinent in thy discourse 2. If the Spirit be sufficient to fulfil its Work and Office which is to bring forth its own Fruit what Necessity of your Shadow which cannot do it nor so far help man as in the leasts supply those Ends the Spirit is given for much less help the Spirit therein which is al-sufficient VII The Anabaptist's Imposition about their shadowy Baptism AGain H. G. is very fierce and rash for thei●… Water-Baptism or plunging People in Water where he saith Whosoever brings any other Gospel let him be accursed p. 〈◊〉 G. W. Hereby he hath cursed all the People of God and sincere minded both Protestants and all others in the World who oppose and come not under the Baptists dipping or plunging People in Water The Lord sorgive him he is very uncharitable herein for our parts we cannot believe their Baptism to be either the Baptism of Christ or Gospel or of Necessity and available to Salvation H. G. Rep. Thou hast in this manifested thy Imperfection and false Anti-christian Spirit hast thou no more Care nor Conscience that thou goest about thus to belie the Innocent Have I affir●…ed