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A54048 A question to the professors of Christianity, whether they have the true, living, powerful saving knowledge of Christ or no? with some queries concerning Christ, and his appearances, his taking upon him our flesh : as also concerning his flesh and blood, and our being formed thereof, and feeding thereon, and an incitation to professors seriously to consider, whether they or we fail, in the true acknowledgment and owning of the Christ which died at Jerusalem : likewise some propositions and considerations concerning the nature of church-worships and ordinances, since the death of the apostles, for the sake of simplicity, which hath been long held captive therein : with the sounding of bowels towards thee, O England : also a faithful guidance to the principle and path of truth, with some sensible experimental questions and answers from the tenth chapter of John / by Isaac Penington ... Penington, Isaac, 1616-1679. 1667 (1667) Wing P1184; ESTC R18236 42,725 54

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A QUESTION TO THE Professors of CHRISTIANITY Whether they have the True Living Powerful saving Knowledge of Christ or no With some Queries concerning Christ and his appearances his taking upon him our flesh as also concerning his flesh and blood and our being formed thereof and feeding thereon And an Incitation to Professors seriously to consider whether they or we fail in the true acknowledgment and owning of the Christ which died at Jerusalem Likewise some Propositions and Considerations concerning the nature of Church-worships Ordinances since the death of the Apostles for the sake of the simplicity which hath been long held captive therein With the sounding of Bowels towards thee O England Also a faithful Guidance to the Principle and Path of Truth WITH Some sensible experimental Questions and Answers from the tenth Chapter of John By Isaac Penington Prisoner in Alisbury who by the Counsel of the Lord hath chosen rather to suffer Affliction with the despised People of God then to enjoy the pleasures of sin for a se●son London Printed in the Year 1667. Reader By reason of the Authors absence from the Press these few faults have escaped which thou art desired thus to amend Page 12. line 29. reade For we were as shy P. 33. l. 21. r. gathered thither P. 36. l. 12. r. How while the Church P. 46. l. 19 r. effects not the thing now P. 50. l. 24. r. which who can utter THE PREFACE THis is life Eternal that they might know thee the only true God and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent Whom did the Father send Did he not send the Son of his Love From whence did he send him Did he not send him out of his own Bosom Whither did he send him Did he not send him into the World to take upon him a Body and glorifie the Name of the Father doing his Will therein He laid down his Glory stripping himself of the form of God and appearing in habit as a man in their Raiment with their Garment upon him in which as a Servant the Seed the Heir of all served the Father And now his work being as good as done he looks back at the Glory which he had laid down for the Fathers sake looking up to the Father for the restoring of it to him again I have glorified thee on the Earth saith he I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do And now O Father glorifie thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the World was John 17.4 5. Now having sought and travelled from my Childhood after the true knowledge of God and of his Christ and having been satisfied with nothing else that ever I could meet with and having at length through the tender mercy of the Lord and guidance of his Spirit met with this and been satisfied therewith finding it to be the eternal Life the true Food the living Power the pure Rest the Joy and Salvation of the Soul I cannot but testifie it to those that lay out their Money for that which is not Bread and their labour for that which satisfieth not We some of us at least laid out as much of our money as others who now despise us have done and as much of our labour And I may speak it in the fear of the Lord and in true sence without boasting some of us had as much of that which they feed on call bread as they have now Yet when the Lord brought us to the true Ballance we found it not to be bread nor able to give the Soul true satisfaction The bread was not that which we then called bread but that which we overlooked and wist not what it was But the eternal Life which was hid with the Father is manifested in the Son and made known to the Soul as the Son is manifested to it and revealed in it that is bread indeed that is meat which perisheth not but will endure when all litteral and outward knowledge of God and Christ fails and will fall short of satisfying that hunger of the Soul which is after the substance it self Now to draw mens minds to a sence of Truth to a sence of that which is the thing that they might know the Bread indeed that they might know the living Waters come to them and drink thereof and find Christ in them a Well of Water springing up to eternal Life therefore was it in my heart to give forth this Question and the ensuing Queries which he that rightly answers must know the thing and he that doth not know the thing by his inability to answer may find that he doth not and so may wait upon God that he may receive the knowledge of it and come to it for the eternal Life which it freely giveth The Jews were puzled with a literal knowledge of the Law and Prophets and about the Messiah to come according to their understanding of the Prophesies concerning him and so were kept from the true knowledge thereby Most sorts of those that now profess Christ are puzled about a knowledge concerning the outward Body flesh and blood of Christ according as they apprehend the Scriptures to speak and so the vail is over their hearts likewise and they cannot see the eternal Life and Substance no more than the Jews but by an outward litteral knowledge are kept back from the thing as the Jews were Now the breathing of my heart to the Lord is to take away the Vail from all hearts that sincerely desire after Truth and to open the true Eye in them that they may see the desire and beloved of their Souls and may be led by him into the true travel out of self towards the Kingdom yea into the very Land of the living where the food of Life is fed upon where the living Springs flow where are Vineyards which we planted not and dwelling places which we built not where the fruit of the Vine of Gods planting the Wine of the Kingdom is drunk of even new in the Kingdom with the Father and Son in the Spirit who are one and all there The Lord give a sence and understanding that the ear of the Needy the afflicted in Spirit the Mourners the Captives the bowed down may hear and may be drawn to touch that which hath the virtue in it and which effectually redeemeth those that wait upon it from all that boweth down and oppresseth A Question to the Professors of Christianity Whether they have the true living powerful saving Knowledge of Christ or no THE Question is not Whether they know what is said of him in the Scriptures but whether they know it savingly truly livingly powerfully Yea they may know what is said of him and yet not know him of whom those things are said As it was with the Scribes and Pharisees they knew what was said of Christ in the Law and Prophets but they knew not him himself when he appeared in that body of Flesh So men
same Christ that took upon him the body of flesh and offered it without the Gates of Jerusalem Is there any more than one or is there any other than he Is Christ divided Is there one Christ within and another without He that knoweth the least measure of the thing doth he not know the thing in some measure And he that is in the least measure of the thing is he not in the thing He that knoweth the Son doth he not also know the Father And he that knoweth the Spirit doth he not also know the Son And he that is in the Spirit is he not in the Son For they are one Nature and Being A man may have notions of the one and not of the other but their Nature their Being their Life their Virtue is inseparable And as Christ said concerning the Father That he was in the Father and the Father in him and that he that saw him saw the Father So may it not be as truly affirmed in the true sence and understanding of Life concerning Christ That he is in the Spirit and the Spirit in him and that he that seeth the Spirit seeth him and that he that seeth him seeth the Spirit For he is the Spirit according to that Scripture 2 Cor. 3.17 Now the Lord is that Spirit and where the Spirit of the Lord is there is Liberty What to do Why to see and read within the Vail and to behold the glory of the Lord which is revealed there which they whom the Vail was over formerly or whom the Vail is over now have not liberty to do Here is confusion and impossibility to mans wisdom that Christ should be all one with the Spirit that Christ should send the Spirit in his Name and also himself be the Spirit whom he sends This is an hard saying who can bear it And yet this confusion to man is Gods Wisdom and pretious in their eye who are taught of him For it is one and the same Christ that was signified in Types and Shadows under the Law revealed in the fulness of time in that prepared Body and afterwards in Spirit Now after he was ascended he received the Spirit so as he had not received him before and so having received the Promise of the Father he so dispenseth the Spirit to his Brethren and Disciples as it had not been dispensed before Indeed he comforted and refreshed his People under the Law by his holy Spirit which was their instructer then Neh. 9.20 and taught them the things of God under Types Shadows and Resemblances When he came in the Body he chose out Disciples whom he taught the things of the Kingdom and was a Refresher and Comforter of them therein And was not this another Comforter than those had under the Law Had the Jews before ever any such Comforter as Christ was to his Disciples in his bodily presence Now when he ascends he receives the Spirit from the Father as the Father had promised him and having so received him he sends him to them for their Comforter And may not this justly be tearmed another Comforter then Christ was in his bodily presence And yet is it not also the same Spirit of Life that had been with them in that Body So that it is another in the way of Administration but the same in substance even the Word which was from the beginning the Spirit which was from everlasting and to everlasting there is no other Now as the Father sent the Son and yet was with and in the Son so the Son sending the Spirit he also is with and in the Spirit And as it is the Fathers Will that the same honour be given to the Son as is given to him so it is the Sons pleasure that the same honour be given to his Spirit as is given to him Yea as he that will worship the Father must worship in the Son must come to him in the Son must appear before him in the Son must reverence and kiss the Son so he that will come to Christ will worship him must come to him in the Spirit must bow to him in the Spirit Yea he that will know and worship Christ in his fulness in the majesty of his Glory Dominion and Power must learn to bow at the lowest appearance of his Light and Spirit even at the very feet of Jesus for that is the lowest part of the Body Quer. 15. Did not the Bridegroom go away as to his appearance in flesh that he might come again in Spirit Did not the Apostles who knew his appearance in flesh and his tabernacling among them know also afterwards his appearance in Spirit and his tabernacling in them And were not their hearts filled with joy unspeakable and full of glory because of the presence of the Bridegroom Did they not know the Man-Child born and brought forth in Spirit as really as ever he was born and brought forth in flesh Yea did they not travel and help to bring him forth Were there not many in that day who could say concerning the spiritual and inward appearance of the Bridegroom We know that the Son of God the eternal Life the pure power and wisdom of the Father is come Did they not receive from him the understanding which he gives in and by his coming Yea were they not in him that is true even in Jesus Christ the Son who is the true God and Life eternal 1 John 5.20 Had they not received the Kingdom which could not be shaken And did they never see and converse with the King in the Kingdom Nay did not he walk in them and they in him and he sup with them and they with him eating and drinking together the Bread and Wine of the Kingdom fresh and new in the Kingdom O that ye could read in Spirit O that ye did receive that measure of life from Christ which the Father hath allotted you that ye might read therein but the Letter read out of the Spirit darkeneth and killeth Quer. 16. What is the Laver of Regeneration or the Water wherewith the Soul is washed and whereof a man is born again Is it outward or inward Is it the water which ran out of the side of the natural Body when it was pierced with a Spear or the water which springs from the Fountain of Life the water which floweth from the Spirit What are the waters which corrupt mud and defile the mind Are they outward waters And what are the waters which purifie and cleanse it Can they be of a lower nature then Spiritual What are the waters which answer the thirst of the Soul after Life after Purity after Salvation That refresh and glad the heart of him that drinketh thereof Are they not from the pure River clear as Chrystal which runs from the Throne And if the water which cleanseth and nourisheth the Soul be spiritual can the flesh and blood which falleth not short of the Water in its Virtues Properties and Operations be inferiour