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A87005 Syons redemption, and original sin vindicated: wherein are these particulars largely handled and discovered. I. That sprinkling of water in the name of the father, son and Holy Ghost is not baptism, ... II Infants not the subjects appointed by God to be baptized, ... III That the second death was never threatned to be inflicted upon Adam ... IV A clear and large discourse as touching Gods decree, of election and reprobation. V A large exposition upon the ninth chapter to the Romanes, ... VI A brief disproof of the unlawfulness of the paying or receving of tithes, ... VII The ordination of the national ministery examined and disproved. VIII The answer of objections against the Jews return out of their captivity ... IX A clear discovery of the glorious effects (or that which will be effected) under the sound of the seventh trumpet. X A full discovery of Judah and Israels glory to be enjoyed in their own land, ... Published for the instruction and comfort of all that wait for the appearing of the Lord Jesus and Zions redemption. Being an answer to a book of Mr. Hezekiah Holland, sometimes preacher in Sutton-Valence in Kent. By George Hammon pastor to the Church of Christ, meeting in Biddenden in Kent. Hammon, George. 1658 (1658) Wing H504; Thomason E958_1; ESTC R207642 184,723 213

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so as to come in the forme of a servant Christ and his waies was ever so mean and low and base in carnal mens account that they in all ages stumbled at it in a low mean way he became an offence to many or a stone that many stumbled at and so is called a stone of stumbling and a rock of offence not that he is so in himself as I have said but he is become so being in a mean low estate as to outward appearance that men which look for honour and greatnesse in this would stumble at him saying is not this the Carpenters Son We will not have this man to reign over us but we will reject him and his doctrine and yet saith the Lord I will set my King upon my holy hill of Zion and thus Christ is laid a chief corner stone in Zion at which stone men stumble for the cause as a foresaid and yet he is such a precious tryed corner stone and such a sure foundation that the gates of hell cannot prevail against it so that whosoever believeth on him shall never be ashamed or confounded he being the rock of their salvation But peradventure some will object and say Obj. That the eyes of the people were to be made dim and their ears dull and their hearts grosse lest they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears and understand with their hearts and turn and he healed Answ To which I answer and say That it is just with God to give such men up to hardnesse of heart who will chuse their own wayes and reject the counsel of God against themselves as this people did as I have at large before proved unto you and whereas Christ saith Obj. Unto you is given to understand the mystery of the kingdome but to other in parables that seeing they might see and not perceive c. Answ The answer is thus Such as seek to know the mysteries of the kingdome and follow him that is able to make it known as Christs Disciples did to such it is given to know the mysteries of the kingdome for then shall we know him if we follow on to know him for his secrets are with them that fear him but such as seek not after him nor fear his name his counsel is far from them and as for his judgements they know them not but their feet shall stumble upon the dark mountains and thus having given you the meaning or mystery contained in this ninth Chapter to the Romans I shall passe to the examination of your lawful Ministery but by the way curteous Reader take this use of information exhortation and comfort and first be informed that God hath not appointed any souls to be damned before they are born but from preconsideration of sin committed in time neither doth God harden men or give them up to hardness of heart but for their personall sin committed in time Secondly be exhorted then to seek the Lord while he may be found and neglect not the precious time and opportunity of grace but seek him and he will be found of thee because he hath sworn that he desireth not the death of him that dieth Thirdly for comfort with God there is mercy and forgivenesse our God will abundantly pardon insomuch that the Spirit and Bridegroom saith come and let him that heareth say come and let him that is a thirst come and who ever will let him take of the water of life freely and in so doing they shall finde rest to their souls even so be it The lawful Ministery falsely so called examined and disproved IN this subject of discourse I shall be very brief Read Sam. Fisher p. 553. to 588. first because it is but as it were to strip a naked man that is your Ordination hath been very largely disproved already and you shewn that your calling is from Rome by one which once was one of your own tribe and therefore the better able to discover you also once made dispute in my hearing when one of your tribe was tryed as in respect of his Ordination to the Ministerial function At a dipute at Headcorn in Kont Mr. Gotheredge did so affirm and shewn that his Ordination was from his Grandmother although father in God Pope Joan his answer was what though they did come through Rome yet they might be true Ministers for saith he Christ came through the liner of whores and yet was the true Christ but I suppose he was made ashamed so as to blush at the reply thereof but however I dwell not or dedend not on what this man or the other Author saith but do say that every man ought to walk in his own line or measure And secondly I shall be brief because I suppose that there be but few men but do or may know if they search the Scriptures that your kinde of Election and ordination is not of God First in respect of your Presbytery Secondly in respect of your charge or Office which is to absolve or remit sins like your Grandfather the Pope and so there came to be a pope in every Parish And thirdly in respect of your qualifications These I shall speak to briefly and also shew what the true Presbyters are and secondly the qualifications of such as are to be Ordained and thirdly what their work or Office is to do These in order but first I shall examine what you say and give a brief answer unto it And in the first place you tell me It would be too great an honour for you to answer me at large in this particular No great honour to prove the ministry of the Nation false because there by very few but know it already or may know it if they search the Scriptures and also that It would have argued some guilt in your call To which I answer and say It would not have conduced much to my honour before men to prove your Calling and Ordination not to be of God because there be very few but know it or may know it if they search the Scriptures and therefore no great piece of work so as to be admired at when all men may easily see it if they shut not their eyes against the light But I passe this and say I find that in this particular viz. the Characters of the false Ministery the burden lyeth very heavy upon you and pincheth very sorely and that causeth you to use such kicking expressions as followeth which is say you A fools bolt is soon shot and if an asse kick us we must not put him in the Court. To which I answer and say I do not envy the expression for these three reasons the first is because sometimes a patient beast will kick when his burden pincheth And secondly it troubleth me not to be called a fool because he that will be wise must become a fool that he may be wise and also we have a Proverb which in this is verified that children and fools
Baptized more Disciples than Iohn and so forth from whence you would conclude that Disciples were made by Baptisme as you make children Disciples by Baptisme as you say Now this Text proveth not your matter but it fully proveth my affirmation the which is that persons ought to be made Disciples first and then Baptised so saith both these Texts see Mat. 28. Go preach the Gospel or as the word properly rendreth it 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 from the word 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 go make Disciples or Scholars in all Nations and baptize them which she weth that they are made to be Disciples before they were to be baptised and also all that came to Iohns Baptism before they were admitted came and confessed their sins and so was Baptised for Iohns baptisme is called the Baptisme of Repentance and Christ did not baptise or make Disciples that way for he would not manifest himself to some that did believe because they wanted humble repenting hearts without which they were not admitted to Baptisme from whence we may see that such persons as are admitted to Baptism ought to be Disciples first go make Disciples and Baptise them saith Christ and so saith the Text in Iohn The Lord made and Baptized he first made them Disciples and then baptized them and the very same is out practise as we are followers of Christ And if it should be objected Object That the Text speaketh of teaching after baptism I answer that also is our practise for otherwise persons would not very well know how to behave themselves in the Church of God and so I pass to the next thing in order The which is a Text you cite Mark 6.10 To such belongeth the kingdom of Heaven it must not be understood or interpreted of all Children say you but of Children whose Parents were in Covenant as these were and brought by parents or by near friends to Christ To which I answer and first you are as much mistaken in the place cited by you as in the matter for the Text is in Mat. 19.13 and in Luke 18.16 but if you were onely mistaken in the citing of the place it might be borne with but you are much mistaken in the matter and first you say their Parents were in covenant with God how you will prove it The Jews had broke Covenant with God and so instead of being a sree pecple wereunder the Romans and were counted lost sheep I know not they once were in covenant and should have enjoyed the Land of Canaan and God presence in making good his promises in giving such blessings as I have already mentioned but now they by their sins had broken the Covenant that Christ calleth them the lost sheep of the house of Israel and how such can be said to be in covenant with God which Curist calleth the lost sheep I know not Secondly and that these were not his Disciples is plaine because his Disciples for●ad them that brought their children and if not his Disciples then no in covenant with him But you will object Obj. and say They had a good opinion of our Saviour and also our Saviour had a good opinion of them for first they had a good opinion of our Saviour as appeareth in their bringing their children that he should touch them or put his hands on them and pray To which I answer and say that their experience taught them that Christ was able to cure their children of what disease soever because he made it his practise to cure all manner of sickness and diseases insomuch as a great multitude of sick folk followed him and he cured them of what disease soever they had and such an opinion they had of Christ as some of our Nation have of skilful Physitians and that was all the good opinion they had of our Saviour that I can find But our Saviour had a good opinion of them in that he said suffer them to come and bring their children and did for them as their Friends desired him to do To which I answer I never or seldom find in Scripture that Christ did deny to do good to any but did go about doing good and hence it came to pass that he had compassion on the multitude and fed them and upon that account he had custom enough and had many followers it was not because they had a good opinion of Christ as touching spiritual vertue in him but that they might have their bellies filled Ye follow me not saith Christ because of the miracles but because ye eat of the loaves and were filled Iohn 6.26 So then there be many had a good opinion of Christ and followed him so long as he gave them food and health And whereas you suppose that I think that the blessing that Christ did bestow on the children was a spiritual blessing ● shall shew you what blessing I think it was and so shall examine the Text see Mat. 19.13 Then were their little Children brought unto him that he should put his hands on them and pray and his Disciples rebuked them and Iesus said suffer little Children to come unto me and forbid them not for of such is the kingdom of God And now that you may see what blessing this was we may consider the dependance of the Text with some other Texts of Scripture the which will shew us what blessing it was that Christ did bestow on them And first to the dependence of the Tex● which is in the second verse in these words And a great multitude followed him and he healed them there and all the intervening discourse between this v. 2. and v. 13. is no other but an answer to the Pharisees when they came and tempted him and therefore when you read the Text compare the second verse with the thirteenth and account of the other as a sentence in a parenthesis the which you may fi●ly do f●r● it is and then you shall read the Text thus And great multitudes followed him and be healed them there then there were brought unto him little children that he should put his hands on them and pray and his Disciples rebuked them and so forth So then in the first pl●ce you see Christ was a curing of sick persons at that time Christ did visibly cure by putting his hands on sick felk And secondly his wa● in curing ●as by putting his hands on them that he cured as you may see from these Scriptures Mark 6.5 Luke 4.40 chap. 13.13 And thirdly that being his way to cure by putting his hands on them these also brought their children that he might put his hands on them from whence it is plain that they brought such children to Christ as were sick or had some infirmity that he might lay his hands on them and cure them and that was the blessing doubtless that Christ did bestow upon them And whereas the Text saith Of such is the kingdom of Heaven and you say deny not Baptism to the
not taste of death till they saw Christ come in his Glory But that neither Mark or Matthew will carry it to the Gospel Church read that which goeth before the Text and that which followeth the Text you will finde the Text it self meaneth not the Gospel Church and Ordinances as you say see Mat 16.27 28. compared with chap. 17.1 2 3 4. compared with 1 Pet. 1.16 17 in these words For the Son of man shall come in the Glory of his Father with his Angels and then he shall reward every man according to his works Verily Verily I say unto you there be some standing here that shall not taste of death till they see the Son of man coming in his Kingdom And after six dayes Jesus took Peter James and John his brother and bringeth them into a high mountain apart and was transfigured before them and his face did shine as the Sun and his Rayment was white as the light And behold there appeared unto them Moses and Elias talking with him then answered Peter and said to Jesus Lord it is good for us to be here c. From whence we may see that it was not meant of a Gospel Church and Ordinauces coming in power and Glory when he speaketh of the Kingdom of God coming in power but the meaning ning of the place is that some of his disciples should see the manner of his coming in the Glory of his Father that you may see also more plainly manifested to be meant as before said of Christs Glory The Kingdom of God coming in power proved not to be the Gospel Church and Ordinances but to shew the manner of Christ coming in glory 〈◊〉 by transfiguration or the manner of Christs glorious coming in his Kingdom read 2 Pet. 1.11 comp with 16 17. verses In the 11 verse the Apostle exhorteth the Church to endeavour so to walk that an entrance might be administred unto them into the Everlasting Kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ And that our Saviour hath such a glorious Kingdom as if Peter should say is very certain for as our Lord did say that some of us should not taste of death till We see him coming in his Kingdom he also did take us apart that we might see the glorious manner of his coming and Kingdom and this we are eye-witness for we have not followed cunning divised fables when we made known to you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ but were eye witnesses of his majesty for he received from God the Father honour and glory when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory this is my beloved Son in whom I am well pleased and this voice we heard when we where with him in the Holy mount From whence we may plainly see if we compare the Scriptures together that Christ coming in glory or the Kingdom of God coming in power was not meant the Gospel Church and Ordinances for that is but in word and form but the transfiguration of Christ and the appearence of his Saints in glory with him is meant the Kingdom of God coming in power or the Son of man coming in his Kingdom thus hath the Scriptures overthrown clearly what you have said as touching the Kingdom of God coming in power and because you have inferred nothing from your Text Mat. 11.12 I shall pass saying nothing to it onely the Text in it self is true although it be not for your purpose but I commend you in that you gave no interpretation because to besure you have not abused it as you did the Text the which you did interpret And again whereas you say That children of beleeving Parents be fit for his Kingdom according to your interpretation viz. the Church To which I answer I have already proved that such are not fit members for a Gospel Church which are not lively stones Children proved not fit members of the Gospel Church although they be the children of the Faithful showing forth the praises of him that hath called them unto that state because there is to be none in Christs vine-yard viz. Church but such as are labourers the which a child of seven or eight dayes old cannot do and therefore not fit to be members of Christs Church But if the Gospel Church did onely look for a fair sh●w in the flash as membership in the Church under the Law then children might either be Circumcised or have their bodies washed according to the carnal washings and so might be clean but membership in a Gospel Church is of another nature that requireth cleanness within the heart to be purified by Faith and the tongue speaking forth Gods praises for as with the heart man beleeveth to righteousness so as to fit them for a Gospel Church so with the tongue confession is made to Salvation Rom. 10. And whereas you repeat again of our barring children of Church priviledges I say as I have already said that it is your selves that barr children from Church priviledges for Baptism is not so properly called a Church priviledge as the Lords Supper the which you barr children from But you may see your self answered more fully as in my former Treatise But by what I have said here I have clearly took off your seeming answer to my Argument whereby it standeth undenyable that as to what you have said And again whereas you ask the question Whether children were vessels of mercy yea or no and you say you are sure that I will answer yes and then first say you they Were lost in Adam and in misery for mer●y presupposeth misery and secondly then they must be fitted for glory therefore not naturally fit To which I answer that I have already shewed how the sons of Adam were lost and how not lost and therefore I shall wave this and come to shew how they are fitted for glory and that is the seed of the woman brake the Serpents head viz. Christ by or thorow the grace of God tasted death for every man and woman not onely to bring them to a Resurrection but he had an Heavenly inheritance to bestow on the sons of Adam which became his by purchess for he bought them when they were lost or sold by their iniquities But you will ask me Object They that are lost and die the second death are such as put away Eternal life and deny the Lord that bought them and will not have the Lord to rule over them but bid him depart and desire not the knowledge of his wayes If Christ died for to buy the whole world how cometh it to pass that the Whole world are not saved Answer There are some that put away Eternal life and tread under foot the blood of the Covenant wherewith they were sanctified but I know your old objection The blood of the Covenant wherewith he was sanctified that is wherewith Christ was sanctified say you but if your eyes be in your head and open