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A41786 The quæries examined, or, Fifty anti-queries seriously propounded to the people called Presbyterians Occasioned by the publication of Fifty queries, gathered out of the works of Mr. Rich. Baxter. By J. B. Wherein the principal allegations usually brought to support infant-baptism are discovered to be insufficient. By T. G. Grantham, Thomas, 1634-1692. 1676 (1676) Wing G1543A; ESTC R223637 27,933 56

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query_n 15._o be_v it_o not_o then_o the_o duty_n of_o all_o the_o nation_n round_o about_o that_o can_v have_v information_n of_o the_o jewish_a religion_n to_o engage_v themselves_o and_o their_o child_n to_o god_n by_o circumcision_n and_o do_v not_o many_o of_o the_o people_n in_o hester_n time_n become_v jew_n hest_n 8._o 17._o who_o yet_o be_v not_o under_o their_o government_n and_o be_v it_o not_o well_o know_v that_o this_o be_v to_o be_v circumcise_v they_o and_o their_o little_a one_o as_o the_o proselyte_n be_v and_o so_o to_o keep_v the_o law_n of_o moses_n and_o whether_o the_o circumcise_a servant_n of_o israel_n sell_v away_o to_o another_o nation_n and_o so_o separate_v from_o the_o civil_a state_n of_o israel_n do_v eo_fw-la nomine_fw-la cease_v to_o be_v church-member_n though_o they_o for_o sook_v not_o god_n and_o ●o_o of_o the_o infant_n if_o they_o be_v sell_v in_o infancy_n and_o so_o whether_o infant_n may_v not_o be_v church-member_n that_o be_v not_o of_o the_o jew_n commonwealth_n baptist_n antiqu._n 15._o although_o other_o nation_n have_v the_o liberty_n to_o become_v jew_n yet_o whether_o they_o be_v under_o such_o a_o obligation_n as_o that_o they_o must_v become_v jew_n or_o else_o not_o be_v save_v be_v worthy_a consideration_n and_o whether_o the_o contrary_a will_v not_o be_v find_v true_a when_o the_o case_n of_o cornelius_n act._n 10._o and_o of_o the_o gentile_n rom._n 2._o be_v due_o consider_v whereas_o the_o one_o be_v accept_v as_o fear_v god_n and_o work_a righteousness_n as_o much_o as_o the_o jew_n upon_o the_o account_n of_o his_o jewish_a worship_n and_o the_o other_o gentile_n general_o who_o do_v by_o nature_n the_o thing_n contain_v in_o the_o law_n be_v count_v the_o circumcision_n so_o as_o to_o judge_v the_o jew_n who_o only_o have_v the_o circumcision_n in_o the_o flesh_n and_o not_o only_o so_o but_o so_o as_o to_o be_v accept_v of_o god_n as_o far_o at_o least_o as_o the_o righteousness_n of_o the_o law_n 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jerusalem_n shall_v have_v infant-member_n and_o the_o church_n at_o rome_n shall_v have_v none_o that_o the_o jew_n infant_n shall_v be_v member_n and_o not_o gentile_n if_o the_o jew_n be_v break_v off_o by_o unbelief_n shall_v they_o not_o be_v graff_v in_o again_o upon_o their_o repentance_n of_o faith_n and_o so_o shall_v not_o every_o repent_a believe_a jew_n infant_n be_v church-member_n or_o otherwise_o how_o will_v their_o graft_n in_o answer_n to_o their_o break_n off_o shall_v they_o be_v but_o in_o part_n graff_v in_o baptist_n antiqu._n 26._o whether_o it_o be_v not_o a_o great_a mistake_n to_o say_v that_o christ_n come_v to_o make_v the_o jew_n and_o gentile_n one_o church_n otherwise_o then_o by_o take_v away_o the_o jewish_a church_n and_o make_v all_o thing_n new_a 2_o cor._n 5._o 17._o etc._n etc._n and_o whether_o this_o may_v not_o be_v do_v without_o settle_v any_o of_o the_o practical_a ordinance_n upon_o infant_n as_o under_o the_o law_n if_o otherwise_o why_o have_v you_o not_o show_v we_o where_o christ_n have_v require_v parent●_n to_o get_v their_o infant_n baptize_v and_o where_o he_o forbid_v they_o to_o be_v bring_v to_o imposition_n of_o hand_n the_o table_n of_o the_o lord_n etc._n etc._n if_o the_o denial_n of_o the_o first_o make_v our_o infant_n no_o member_n of_o the_o church_n do_v not_o your_o denial_n of_o the_o other_o two_o which_o do_v as_o general_o pertain_v to_o member_n of_o the_o church_n make_v you_o none_o also_o and_o if_o the_o church_n at_o jerusalem_n rome_n etc._n etc._n have_v any_o infant-member_n therein_o in_o the_o sense_n wherein_o you_o will_v have_v they_o member_n why_o do_v you_o not_o name_v some_o one_o infant_n so_o make_v a_o member_n since_o you_o know_v it_o will_v suffice_v wherhe_a if_o the_o jew_n graft_v in_o must_v in_o all_o point_n answer_v to_o their_o break_n off_o their_o infant_n must_v not_o come_v to_o other_o ordinance_n as_o well_o as_o baptism_n or_o will_v you_o say_v infant_n can_v partake_v with_o their_o parent_n of_o salvation_n without_o baptism_n or_o whether_o be_v the_o infant_n of_o the_o jew_n expose_v to_o damnation_n by_o their_o parent_n unbelief_n and_o if_o so_o what_o be_v become_v of_o all_o their_o infant_n ever_o since_o presbyterian_a query_n 27._o be_v not_o christ_n church_n spiritual_a before_o his_o incarnation_n when_o it_o take_v in_o infant_n and_o gather_v in_o a_o spiritual_a way_n be_v not_o ●he_n visible_a frame_n of_o the_o jewish_a church_n set_v up_o and_o erect_v by_o the_o father_n of_o spirit_n and_o be_v not_o spiritual_a duty_n command_v then_o upon_o promise_n of_o spiritual_a blessing_n even_o lise_fw-fr eternal_a how_o will_v any_o prove_v that_o it_o be_v a_o blemish_n to_o the_o old_a frame_n that_o infant_n be_v member_n what_o be_v the_o church_n the_o worse_a for_o infant_n right_n if_o it_o be_v no_o blemish_n why_o must_v it_o be_v do_v away_o baptist_n antiqu._n 27._o though_o it_o be_v true_a that_o christ_n church_n be_v always_o spiritual_a in_o some_o measure_n and_o his_o service_n such_o also_o yet_o whether_o it_o be_v not_o also_o true_a that_o the_o church_n under_o the_o law_n of_o moses_n be_v carnal_a in_o respect_n of_o the_o spirituality_n of_o the_o church_n under_o the_o gospel_n do_v not_o the_o apostle_n say_v 2_o cor._n 3._o these_o two_o ministration_n differ_v as_o much_o as_o letter_n and_o spirit_n differ_v and_o that_o the_o glory_n of_o the_o one_o have_v no_o glory_n in_o respect_n of_o the_o glory_n which_o excel_v and_o be_v it_o not_o then_o rational_a that_o the_o church_n concern_v under_o these_o ministration_n respective_o shall_v differ_v aecord_o and_o though_o it_o be_v no_o blemish_n to_o the_o jewish_a church_n to_o have_v infant_n partaker_n of_o their_o ordinance_n which_o be_v call_v carnal_a yet_o whether_o it_o be_v not_o a_o more_o perfect_a state_n when_o the_o church_n do_v al●_n know_v god_n from_o the_o least_o to_o the_o great_a of_o they_o and_o whether_o this_o be_v not_o the_o state_n of_o the_o church_n under_o the_o gospel_n according_a to_o god_n appointment_n heb._n 8._o 10_o 11_o 12_o 13._o and_o whether_o that_o which_o be_v less_o perfect_a ought_v not_o to_o vanish_v away_o when_o that_o which_o be_v more_o perfect_a be_v come_v in_o that_o he_o say_v a_o new_a covenant_n he_o have_v make_v the_o first_o old_a now_o that_o which_o decay_v and_o wax_v old_a be_v ready_a to_o vanish_v away_o heb._n 8._o 13._o presbyterian_a query_n 28._o in_o what_o regard_n be_v the_o new_a frame_n better_o suppose_v the_o cast_n out_o of_o infant_n which_o be_v in_o the_o old_a how_o do_v infant_n relation_n detract_v from_o its_o spirituality_n do_v not_o the_o adult_n come_v in_o by_o ●he_v same_o kind_n of_o consent_n for_o themselves_o as_o they_o make_v for_o their_o infant_n and_o do_v not_o the_o adult_n blemish_v the_o church_n with_o more_o carnal_a sin_n than_o infant_n do_v will_v any_o kingdom_n be_v more_o excellent_a if_o all_o infant_n be_v disfranchise_v do_v not_o nature_n teach_v all_o kingdom_n on_o earth_n to_o take_v they_o f●r_n member_n though_o but_o infant-member_n baptist_n antiqu._n 28._o whether_o it_o be_v necessary_a to_o say_v infant_n be_v cast_v out_o of_o that_o whereof_o they_o be_v never_o possess_v to_o wit_n the_o use_n of_o ordinance_n in_o the_o new_a frame_n of_o the_o church_n or_o how_o can_v infant_n be_v say_v to_o be_v a_o spiritual_a seed_n how_o be_v they_o live_v stone_n build_v up_o a_o spiritual_a house_n to_o offer_v spiritual_a sacrifice_n in_o a_o gospel_n sense_n or_o how_o be_v your_o infant_n a_o more_o spiritual_a seed_n then_o our_o infant_n and_o whether_o any_o other_o be_v by_o christ_n order_n to_o partake_v in_o gospel-ordinance_n than_o such_o as_o therein_o worship_n god_n spiritual_o and_o whether_o hence_o it_o be_v not_o clear_a that_o the_o way_n of_o make_v infant_n church-member_n do_v not_o detract_v from_o the_o spirituality_n of_o the_o new_a frame_n of_o the_o church_n also_o where_o have_v god_n require_v the_o adult_n to_o consent_v for_o their_o insant_fw-fr church_n membership_n in_o this_o new_a frame_n and_o whether_o the_o comparison_n between_o a_o earthly_a kingdom_n and_o the_o ghurch_n of_o christ_n be_v any_o way_n fit_v see_v infant_n have_v as_o much_o need_n of_o the_o privilege_n of_o humane_a law_n for_o the_o preservation_n of_o their_o life_n and_o right_n as_o grow_v person_n but_o how_o stand_v they_o in_o need_n of_o the_o law_n of_o the_o church_n and_o particular_o baptism_n for_o the_o preservation_n of_o their_o soul_n and_o whether_o this_o similitude_n may_v not_o be_v emprove_v against_o you_o see_v infant_n though_o member_n of_o kingdom_n yet_o be_v excuse_v from_o all_o duty_n personal_a wbatsoever_o and_o then_o why_o may_v they_o not_o be_v repute_v of_o the_o kingdom_n of_o god_n and_o yet_o exempt_a from_o the_o duty_n of_o his_o kingdom_n or_o how_o come_v they_o to_o be_v concern_v so_o much_o in_o that_o one_o duty_n of_o baptism_n and_o no_o other_o whatsoever_o presbyterian_a query_n 29._o whether_o any_o jew_n at_o age_n be_v a_o member_n of_o the_o old_a church_n without_o profess_v faith_n in_o the_o article_n then_o necessary_a to_o salvation_n repentance_n and_o obedience_n and_o wherein_o the_o suppose_a new_a call_n and_o frame_n do_v in_o this_o differ_v from_o the_o old_a save_v only_o that_o a_o more_o full_a and_o express_a revelation_n of_o christ_n require_v a_o more_o full_a express_a faith_n be_v it_o not_o evident_a that_o they_o be_v to_o profess_v consent_n to_o god_n covenant_n which_o who_o so_o deny_v asa_n will_v put_v to_o death_n and_o be_v not_o circumcision_n a_o covenant_a act_n and_o do_v they_o not_o thereby_o prosess_v to_o take_v god_n for_o their_o god_n or_o will_v god_n else_o have_v take_v they_o for_o his_o people_n and_o will_v not_o renounce_v god_n have_v cut_v they_o off_o baptist_n antiqu._n 29._o what_o be_v become_v now_o of_o your_o infant_n church-membership_a if_o when_o grow_v up_o they_o cease_v to_o be_v member_n upon_o that_o account_n be_v the_o jew_n infant_n twice_o make_v member_n of_o their_o church_n or_o be_v every_o renew_v the_o covenant_n as_o in_o the_o case_n of_o asa_n make_v man_n member_n of_o the_o church_n but_o where_o do_v the_o church_n ever_o admit_v one_o member_n to_o her_o communion_n by_o baptism_n without_o profession_n or_o where_o do_v she_o ever_o decree_n that_o those_o who_o will_v not_o submit_v to_o her_o new_a frame_n shall_v be_v put_v to_o death_n and_o whether_o in_o this_o the_o new_a frame_n of_o the_o church_n do_v not_o great_o differ_v from_o the_o old_a presbyterian_a query_n 30._o whether_o god_n law_n oblige_v not_o person_n to_o devote_v themselves_o and_o their_o infant_n to_o
etc._n and_o whether_o he_o be_v not_o about_o 30_o year_n when_o he_o enter_v in_o our_o profession_n heb._n 3._o 3._o the_o apostle_n and_o high_a priest_n of_o our_o profession_n christ_n jesus_n see_v luke_n 3_o and_o then_o whether_o his_o example_n be_v not_o flat_a against_o you_o also_o whether_o christ_n only_o pray_v for_o infant_n and_o not_o baptise_v they_o though_o bring_v to_o he_o neither_o order_v any_o other_o to_o do_v it_o that_o we_o read_v of_o do_v not_o show_v we_o that_o infant_n may_v be_v under_o the_o blessing_n of_o christ_n without_o baptism_n and_o whether_o you_o may_v not_o tremble_v to_o presume_v to_o do_v more_o than_o he_o do_v or_o appoint_v to_o be_v do_v be_v you_o wise_a than_o he_o also_o whether_o it_o lie_v within_o the_o power_n of_o any_o minister_n to_o disciple_v a_o infant_n or_o show_v we_o one_o infant_n with_o you_o or_o any_o pedo-baptist_n ever_o make_v a_o disciple_n or_o be_v please_v to_o come_v and_o make_v my_o infant_n disciple_n if_o you_o can_v and_o i_o promise_v you_o i_o will_v assist_v you_o what_o i_o can_v in_o the_o baptise_v they_o and_o not_o only_o so_o but_o do_v my_o best_a to_o employ_v you_o elsewhere_o i_o speak_v it_o serious_o and_o whether_o this_o will_v not_o do_v more_o to_o decide_v the_o controversy_n than_o all_o the_o book_n that_o be_v write_v by_o any_o of_o you_o and_o if_o you_o can_v do_v this_o how_o will_v matth._n 28._o 19_o warrant_v you_o to_o baptize_v infant_n since_o its_o plain_a that_o discipling_n go_v before_o baptise_v and_o how_o disciple_n be_v to_o be_v make_v we_o think_v it_o best_o to_o learn_v of_o jesus_n john_n 4._o 3._o how_o think_v you_o do_v you_o indeed_o believe_v that_o any_o person_n be_v of_o the_o nation_n entitle_v they_o to●_n baptism_n why_o than_o who_o be_v not_o a_o fit_a subject_n see_v all_o infant_n ●nd_v man_n too_o be_v of_o one_o nation_n or_o another_o and_o if_o there_o be_v other_o qualification_n necessary_a whether_o to_o be_v teach_v be_v not_o one_o of_o the_o chief_a of_o they_o and_o why_o do_v you_o say_v we_o take_v infant_n away_o from_o christ_n church_n because_o we_o baptize_v they_o not_o be_v they_o in_o it_o before_o baptize_v if_o so_o how_o do_v we_o take_v they_o away_o presbyterian_a query_n 44._o in_o sum_n whether_o 1._o god_n will_v not_o have_v parent_n devote_v their_o child_n to_o he_o and_o enter_v they_o according_a to_o their_o capacity_n in_o his_o covenant_n 2._o whether_o also_o he_o do_v not_o accept_v into_o his_o covenant_n all_o that_o be_v faithful_o thus_o devote_v to_o he_o and_o be_v not_o peculiarly_a their_o god_n that_o such_o child_n be_v holy_a 3._o whether_o they_o be_v not_o as_o certain_o member_n according_a to_o a_o infant-capacity_n of_o the_o visible_a church_n as_o they_o be_v of_o all_o kingdom_n under_o heaven_n 4._o whether_o there_o be_v not_o far_o more_o hope_n of_o their_o salvation_n then_o of_o those_o without_o 5._o whether_o the_o covenant_n do_v not_o make_v their_o salvation_n certain_a if_o they_o so_o die_v 6._o whether_o the_o invest●ure_n and_o solemnization_n of_o their_o covenant_n with_o christ_n shall_v not_o be_v make_v in_o infancy_n &_o c_o baptist_n antiqu._n 44._o in_o sum_n 1._o whether_o we_o do_v not_o as_o much_o to_o our_o infant_n in_o our_o capacity_n as_o christ_n do_v to_o the_o infant_n which_o be_v bring_v to_o he_o and_o will_v not_o that_o sati●fie_v unless_o we_o go_v from_o he_o to_o follow_v you_o and_o as_o to_o the_o business_n of_o the_o covenant_n let_v we_o hear_v what_o mr._n baxter_n say_v more_o r●●s_n p._n 86._o all_o mankind_n be_v bring_v by_o christ_n under_o a_o covenant_n of_o grace_n which_o be_v not_o vain_a or_o repeal_v by_o god_n but_o as_o their_o abuse_n of_o the_o grace_n of_o the_o covenant_n may_v cast_v they_o out_o for_o as_o a_o covenant_n of_o entire_a nature_n be_v make_v with_o all_o mankind_n in_o innocent_a adam_n so_o a_o covenant_n of_o grace_n be_v make_v with_o all_o mankind_n in_o lapse_v adam_n gen._n 3._o 15._o in_o the_o promise_a seed_n and_o renew_v again_o with_o all_o mankind_n in_o noah_n etc._n etc._n and_o now_o we_o ask_v whether_o our_o infant_n according_a to_o this_o account_n of_o the_o covenant_n of_o grace_n be_v not_o in_o it_o without_o baptism_n fith_o they_o have_v not_o abuse_v the_o grace_n of_o the_o covenant_n and_o whether_o baptism_n be_v not_o far_o more_o proper_a when_o after_o they_o have_v corrupt_v themselves_o by_o sin_n they_o come_v to_o humiliation_n and_o so_o to_o enter_v into_o this_o covenant_n upon_o the_o term_n of_o the_o gospel_n whether_o your_o exposition_n of_o the_o universal_a church_n upon_o mat._n 28._o 19_o do_v take_v in_o the_o practice_n of_o the_o apostle_n in_o pursuance_n of_o that_o commission_n to_o the_o act_n of_o the_o apostle_n and_o the_o exposition_n of_o the_o baptist_n and_o if_o not_o than_o you_o either_o deny_v we_o to_o be_v of_o the_o universal_a church_n or_o else_o you_o have_v not_o the_o exposition_n of_o the_o church_n universal_a presbyterian_a query_n 45._o how_o inconsiderable_a a_o part_n of_o the_o universal_a church_n do_v the_o anabaptist_n hold_v communion_n with_o and_o do_v they_o not_o unchurch_n almost_o all_o the_o church_n on_o earth_n may_v we_o not_o think_v that_o they_o rob_v christ_n of_o more_o they_o nine_o part_n of_o ten_o of_o his_o kingdom_n or_o church_n universal_a v._o p._n 305._o baptist_n antiqu._n 45._o whether_o upon_o luther_n revolt_n from_o the_o pope_n you_o be_v not_o upbraid_v with_o hold_v communion_n with_o a_o inconsiderable_a part_n of_o the_o universal_a church_n why_o do_v you_o take_v up_o the_o papist_n weapon_n do_v not_o that_o pious_a man_n that_o succour_v athanasius_n in_o the_o time_n of_o the_o arrian_n persecution_n answer_v the_o objection_n well_o when_o he_o say_v the_o cause_n of_o truth_n be_v not_o therefore_o impair_v because_o i_o be_o alone_o ---_o glory_n 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