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A12552 The character of the beast, or, The false constitution of the church discovered in certayne passages betwixt Mr. R. Clifton & Iohn Smyth, concerning true Christian baptisme of new creatures, or new borne babes in Christ, &nd false baptisme of infants borne after the flesh : referred to two propositions, 1. That infants are not to bee baptized, 2. That antichristians converted are to bee admitted into the true church by baptisme. Smyth, John, d. 1612. 1609 (1609) STC 22875; ESTC S991 85,221 80

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prove_v mat._n 19.13.14_o to_o this_o argument_n of_o you_o i_o make_v answer_v diverse_o first_o you_o have_v not_o prove_v that_o the_o visible_a chur._n &_o all_o the_o ordinance_n thereof_o perteyne_a to_o infant_n of_o the_o faithful_a for_o the_o infant_n of_o the_o jew_n that_o be_v present_v to_o chr._n be_v not_o infant_n of_o believer_n for_o aught_o that_o i_o see_v neither_o can_v it_o be_v prove_v that_o they_o be_v infant_n of_o the_o jew_n but_o their_o be_v some_o likelihood_n to_o the_o contrary_a see_v the_o disciple_n repel_v they_o that_o bring_v they_o it_o may_v be_v they_o be_v the_o child_n of_o some_o of_o the_o roman_a soldier_n or_o some_o cananitish_a person_n but_o suppose_v they_o be_v child_n of_o the_o jew_n how_o be_v it_o prove_v that_o their_o parent_n be_v believer_n see_v that_o the_o people_n of_o the_o jew_n be_v for_o the_o most_o part_n stifnecked_a &_o uncircumcised_a in_o hart_n &_o if_o they_o have_v beme_fw-mi the_o child_n of_o beleve_a 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