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A01716 A dialogue concerning witches and witchcraftes In which is laide open how craftely the Diuell deceiueth not onely the witches but many other and so leadeth them awrie into many great errours. By George Giffard minister of Gods word in Maldon. Gifford, George, d. 1620. 1593 (1593) STC 11850; ESTC S105690 66,559 100

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you take that to be S. Paules meaning Doth Satan bewitch mens mindes and leade them into falsehoode and errour making them beleéue they worshipp God when they worship deuils Dan. S. Paul speaketh there indeéd of the comming of the great Antichrist in the power of the Deuill Nowe those which are seduced and worship Antichrist think they worship God but marke what S. Iohn sayth All the world wondred and followed the beast and worshipped the dragon which gaue power to the beast they worshipped the beast Reuelat. 13. And looke in the 12. chapter of the Reuelation and you shall find that the Dragon which the Popery doth worship in stead of God is the Deuill M. B. Trulie I like your wordes well I am persuaded the deuill doth seduce and bewitch mens mindes But touching these that seek help at the hands of cunning men and women against witches I cannot thinke so hardlie of them I may be awry I seé well I will not be obstinate if the word of God shew me mine errour Let vs euen friendly conferre of the matter Be not offended with me and for my part I will speake all that I knowe or thinke Dan. I must intreate you likewise to beare with my plaine speaches And let vs in the matters proceéde from one point to another standing onlie vpon that wherein we shall be found to differ in iudgment And let Gods word be the Iudge betweene vs. Sam. I like this wel though I can say but litle I wil sit and heare you Dan. What is the first question that we shal handle M. B. I heard you say if I did not mistake your speach that there be witches that worke by the deuill But yet I pray you tell me doe you think there be such I know some are of opinion there be none Dan. It is so euident by the Scriptures and in all experience that there be witches which worke by the deuill or rather I may say the deuill worketh by them that such as go about to prooue the contrarie doe shewe themselues but cauillers M. B. I am glad we agreé in that point I hope we shall in the rest What say you to this that the witches haue their spirits some hath one some hath more as two threé foure or fiue some in one likenesse and some in another as like cattes weasils toads or mise whome they nourish with milke or with a chicken or by letting them sucke now and then a drop of blood whome they call when they be offended with anie and send them to hurt them in their bodies yea to kill them and to kill their cattell Dan. Here is great deceit and great illusion here the deuil leadeth the ignorant people into foule errours by which hee draweth them hedlong into manie grieuous sinnes M. B. Nay then I seé you are awrie if you denie these things and say they be but illusions They haue bene prooued and prooued againe euen by the manifold confessions of the witches themselues I am out of all doubt in these and could in manie particulars lay open what hath fallen out I did dwell in a village within these fiue yeares where there was a man of good wealth and suddainlie within ten daies space he had three kine died his gelding worth ten pounds fell lame he was himself taken with a gret pain in his back a child of seuē years old died He sent to the woman at R. H. and she said he was plagued by a witch adding moreouer that there were three women witches in that towne and one man witch willing him to look whom he most suspected he suspected one old woman and caused her to be caried before a Iustice of Peace and examined with much a doe at the last shee confessed all Which was this in effect that she had threé spirits one like a cat which she called Lightfoot another like a Toad which she called Lunch the third like a Weasill which she called Make-shift This Lightfoot she said one mother Barlie of W. solde her aboue sixteene yeares agoe for an ouen cake and told her the Cat would doe hergood seruice if she woulde she might send her of her errand this Cat was with her but a while but the Weasill and the Toad came and offered their seruice The Cat would kill kine the Weasil would kill horses the Toade would plague men in their bodies She sent them all threé as she confessed against this man She was committed to the prison and there shee died before the Assises I could tell you of manie such I had no minde to dwell in that place any longer Dan. You mistake me I do not meane that the things are not but my meaning is that the deuill by such thinges both beguyle and seduce ignorant men and lead them into errours and grieuous sinnes And let vs examine euerie parcell of that which you set down in your speach and you shall seé no lesse M. B. That is it which I would faine seé You confesse they haue spirits some one some more and in such likenesses what errour be the people led into by that Dan. First cōsider this that ther be multituds armies of deuils as we seé in the gospel y t manie deuils wer entred into one man Christ saying What is thy name answer is made Legion for we are manie Mark 5. Now although the deuils be manie yet they be all caried with such hatred against God with such desire to haue him dishonored and blasphemed and burne with such bloudy malice and crueltie against men that they bend their studie all together one helping and furthering another what they can in their worke in so much that the Scripture doeth speake of them as if they were but one deuill for S. Peter sayth Your aduersarie the deuill goeth about like a roring lion seeking whom he may deuour 1. Pet. 5. And in the Reuelation chapter 12. all the deuils make that great red dragon And our Sauiour doth shewe how close they ioyne in one when he saith If Satan be deuided against Satan or if Satan cast foorth Satan how shall his kingdom endure Matth. 12. now then whether the witch deale as sheé supposeth with one spirit or with manie it commeth all to one effect thus farre that one dealeth not alone but with the helpe of others So that he or she that hath familiaritie with one deuill it is as much as if it wer with an hundreth Moreouer the deuils be spirits they haue no bodily shape or likenesse but yet can make an apparance of a shape as appeareth by the inchanters before Pharao when their rods were turned into serpents in shew Exod. 7. And then one deuill can seém to be foure or fiue and foure or fiue can seéme to be one It is therefore but the craft of Satan to make shewe of more or lesse M. B. Do you not thinke then that where the more deuils be there is the greater power of Satan Dan. Yes but
God raise vp vnto thee from among you of thy brethren like vnto me him shal ye heare M. B. Then you prooue by that place that we muste seéke only to God and not to such as work by meanes besides his words Dan. If you read that place Deut. 18. and mark euery thinge well you shall seé it doeth not onely prooue that they seéke vnto Deuilles which runne to these cunning men and women because the Prophetes which God hath raysed vp to declare the Lords will commaund vs not to doe such things but also declareth that they bee an abhomination to the Lorde that vse them or that seéke vnto them M. B. I seé then it is not onelie a sinne but a moste horrible sinne to seéke vnto them Alas many do not think that they seéke vnto deuilles when they goe for helpe vnto them for thinges stollen or for helpe and remedie against witches Dan. No doubt many refuse to hear the voyce of God to be instructed by him they despise his word and therfore they be giuen vp to hearken vnto Deuilles Such as haue sought vnto any of these that worke by the deuill and now come to see their offence ought to shew repentance for the same not as for a light sinne It is no small abhomination to goe for helpe vnto the deuill It is to set him in Gods place and to honour him as God It riseth of infidelity and distrust of help from God as we may see in the example of king Saule who finding no answere nor comforte from God whome he had so wickedly disobeyed went to a witch The heathen man saide Flectere si nequeo Superos Acherontamouebo If I cannot intreat the goddes I will downe among the deuils M. B. Nay doubtles there can be no defence made for such seéking help at their hands which deale with familiar spirits but I muse at diuers thinges as this for one how the cunning men if they deale by the power of the deuill should vse such good wordes and will them that come vnto them to doe all in the name of Christ teaching them to vse words and sentences of the scriptures Dan. O sir here lieth the deép subtiltie of Satan how should the people be seduced to follow him if he should not vse great cunning to couer matters as if deuils were driuen out and harmes cured that are done by them euen through the name and mightie power of God Herein also lyeth a more foule abhomination and that is the abusing and horrible prophaning of the most blessed name of God and the holie Scriptures vnto witcheries charmes and coniurations and vnto all deuillish artes Such an one is haunted with a fayrie or a spirit he must learne a charme compounded of some straunge speaches and the names of God intermingled or weare some part of S. Iohns Gospell or such like So against the thiefe against the deuill sent by the witch the like is practized What can Satan desire more than that holie thinges should be thus abused There is adoe to get him into the glasse to get him into the Chrystall to get him into the basen of water there is a doe to binde him as it were by the name power of Christ to tell this thing or that thing The coniurer hee bindeth him with the names of God and by the vertue of Christes passion and resurrection so maketh him serue his turne And all is his owne worke for he is not constrayned nor bound but séeketh thus to haue God blasphemed O sayth the simple man this is a good woman shee speaketh of God and of Christ and doth all in his name they be good words which she hath taught me to vse and what hurt can there be in vsing good wordes Alas poore man what case are they in which must learne good words of the deuill It is not the speaking of good wordes or the wearing some part of the scriptures that defendeth from deuils therein lieth the craft of satan to haue those holy thinges so foullie abused 〈◊〉 that men may put trust in wordes and sentences pronounced but the deuilles are withstood onlie by the power of faith where the holie scriptures are written in the heart the soule armed with the power of them From this Satan draweth men by his soothsayers teaching them other helpes For the naming of God or the sentences of scripture binde●● not satan 〈…〉 wee reade he can vtter them M. B. Then howe can the deuill beare such a pitifull minde as to help those that bee in misery For many haue helpe by these cunning men The deuill is cruell and bent wholly to doe hurt and that is it which perswadeth manie that things are done euen by the power of God Dan. The deuils be as pitifull as a greédy hungrie lion that roareth after his pray and as a fierce Dragon all burning with wrath and bloody malice they make shew of doing good vnto men only of a most cruel and murtherous purpose euen to draw men deéper into the pit of hell with them For if they can help the bodie a litle it is to win both bodie and soule vnto eternall damnation Where satan offereth his help it is more to be feared than where he manifestly impugneth and seeketh apparantly to hurt M. B. But this then is more strange if they doe not deale by the power of God but by the power of the deuill when they driue out deuils from hurting howe one deuill should driue out another Our sauiour saith that satan doth not driue out satan for then his kingdom should bee deuided and could not stand Dan. It is most certaine that satan doth not driue out satan for our sauiour hath shewed the reason of the contrarie One deuill is readie to further the worke of another but in no wise to expel or to hinder one another M. B. There is it which maketh me to muse we seé the deuill driuen out and doeth not returne againe and if it be not wrought by the power of deuilles as you say it cannot then must it neéds be by the power of God Dan. The Deuill is driuen out neither by the power of the deuill nor yet by the power of God in these that are healed by cunning men M. B. I like this worst of al the speach which I heard you vtter yet For if satan be not driuen out neither by the power of satan not by the power of God what other power is there to driue him out If you can shewe a third power to expell him it is more than euer I heard of Dan. There neédeth not a thirde power to expell him for he is not driuen out at all M. B. I told you before if you denie that to be which all experience doth shewe then is it no reasoning There be examples in many places and daylie it is seéne that the deuill is driuen out of some possessed that where he did vexe and torment men in their bodies and in their