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A67643 Anti-Haman, or, An answer to Mr. G. Burnet's Mistery of iniquity unvailed wherein is shewed the conformity of the doctrine, worship, & practice of the Roman Catholick Church with those of the purest times : the idolatry of the pagans is truly stated ... / by W.E. ... Warner, John, 1628-1692. 1678 (1678) Wing W905_VARIANT; ESTC R34718 166,767 368

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Discourse concerning Idolatry pag. 154. Prayer offred to an invisible being not corporcally present is due only to God Soc that ablind man may not desire hisneygh bour to pray for him because all are invisible to him And Prayers offred to the Dragon Dan 14.23 or any Idols would be no Idolatry seing they could see or be seene were corporeally present And certainly S. Paul was an Idolater when as a distance be desired the Romans to pray for his good Jourey who were nether visible to him nor corporeally present He follows the custume of our Reformers hethrows stones with out ever regarding where they fall But what proofe doth he bring for his Novelty The authority of Dio Martial both Pagans one of them the most filthy or beastly rather of all Poets And can Mr. Whitby judge their authority competent to decide a controversy betwixt Christians condemne the publicke practice of the Catholick Church Have we not reason to except against their being Vmpieres in this dispute Yet to doe Mr. Whitby a pleasure we will admit them as Judges Arbitrators What say them Dio says Caligula was a God when prayed to And Martial says those who pray to Idols make them Gods Suppose all this tru what is it to Visibility or corpore all presente of which they make no mention yet were brought to prove them How wretchedly doth he pleade against us who first appeales to incompetent Judges secondly to such as pronounce nothing in his favour In malâ causâ non possunt aliter Aug. CHAPTER XI Pretended Charmes where Of Holy-Water Waxcandles Agnus Deis c. G.B. pag. 32. All the Euchantements used in Heathenisine are nothing if compared to those of the Roman Church ANSWER Were your Proofes as strong as your Assertions are bold you would be the most formidable enemy that ever we had But that strength of proofes is wanting Those Creatures which barke Lowde seldome bite hard In bold affirmations none more positive then women children the ignorantest of schollers Wise Learned Man are more wary reserved who never are very positive althô they seeme sometimes to have reason on their side because they are conscious of the uncertainty of their discourses whose fallacys they discover in others in themselves too In this place you would easily have discovered your error had you looked over your proofes For what more weake then those G.B. pag. 32. Can any thing looke liker a tharme then the worshipping of God in an unknowne tongue ANS What say you to reading your Inglish service to such Irish as understand it not Is that a charme for what ever you say in vindication of your common Prayer will serve to answer you in this reproach To whome can I compare the men of this generation (a) Iuke 7.31 to whome are they like They are like unto children pettish children whome nether laughing nor weeping will please Soe you are resolved never to be content with what Papists doe Is their service kept in Latin It resembles a Charme Doth it appeare in Inglish as it lately did at London And Hannibal ad port as of such a fearfull Nature are your brethren that what everdresse our service appeares in it fryghtens them As the signe of the Crosse the name of Iesus did the Divils in Iulian's time But are you soe much astranger to the world as not to know that no living language cōtinues long the same that men's phansys of words change as well as those of fashions That sometimes they lay aside some words take in others sometimes retaine the word but alter its sense by use If all this be true supposea change be made in a vulgar language doe you think the Church oblidged presently to change her service If you doe shew me the ground of that obligation If you can shew no command for such a perpetuall change in the Lyturgy condemne our Church no more for not doing what you cannot shew she is bound to doe G.B. pag. 33. Shall I here tell of the charming of water of salt of waxcandles of Roses Agnus Deis medalls the like ANS It is not easy to conjecture what you blame in these things nor for what reason unlesse it be that Papists use them that is enough to draw your censure Doe the things themselves displease you They are the creatures of God all creatures of God are good 1. Tim. 4.4 nothing ought to be rejected which is received with thanks giving as I assure you Papists use those things Or are you offended that they are blest That is unreasonable seing that gives a kind of Sanctity to them They are sanctifyed by the word of God Prayer says S. Paul in the place above cited Soe that I think the practice of Blessing severall things comes from Apostolicall Tradition that it is grounded on that text of S. Paul And I desire you to fix the time when you think they began I am perswaded I can shew them to be ancienter then any time since the two firstages determinable if not all yet some of them soe as by those which can be shewed from the beginning the rest by lawfull consequence may be deduced as not unlawfull or Enchantments See Baronius ad an D. 57.58 132. in which places he shews the use of them to be so anciēt that if you pretend those Blessings to be Popery you must owne the purest Antiquity to be Papist And as for water-Blest by holy men it is soe for from being a diabolicall charme that it is an efficacious remedy against charmes of the Divill You will find the vertu of it confirmed by miracles in Epiph. ber 30. When it was used by Iosephus a Count under Constantin the greate In S. Hierome in vitâ Hilarionis that this Saint by use of it destroyed the charmes of Marnas or Jupiter adored at Gaza In Theodoret 1.5 hyst c. 21. that S. Marcellus Bishop of Apamea withit chaced away Iupiter Apamenus who hindred the burning of his Temple And in Bede l. 1. hyst Angl. c. 17. that S. German bishop of Auxerre with it allayed a Tempest Which you may see in Baron ad An. D. 132. what will you say to those things As the Pharysyes that all this was done in the Divills name That you cannot for then you must owne that one Divill cast out another his Kingdome is divided which is by our Sayiour prest against the Pharisyes as absurd incredible consequently cannot be sayd by a Christian Nay althô you deny all credit to these holy learned Men which in a matter of fact is in a manner impudent yet will you not be quit of this argument for at least these fathers thought water soe blest a fit instrument to worke those stupendious workes otherwise they would never have beleived those storyes nether would they have related them without beleiving them Hence you may see how different your Faith is from
priviledge of women who have some advantage of birth fortune Drunkenesse for all who have time mony to cast away The prodigious numbers of houses designed for tippling is a sufficient cōviction of the greatenesse of this vice there being more in London alone then in any ten Catholicks townes in Europe probably more then served the whole kingdome in Catholick times which are so many nurseryes of Idlenesse whence all vices flow the thriving condition they all live in shews which may the riches of the nation goe on what their harts are setled You will say these are faults of the Reformers but not of your reformation But in this you are mistaken for it comes from the very substantiall parts of your reformation soe that if any do well it is to be attribued to the goodnesse of their nature If ill it is to be charged uppon your religion which hath retrenched on severall pretences almost all helpes of Devotion Christ to apply to us the merits of his passion instituted seven Sacraments which are administred in the Cat. Church To regenerate us Baptisme to strengthen us in faith Confirmation to nourisb our souls Eucharist to restore us to God's grace if by frailty we have lost it Pennance to prepare us for a passage to the other world Extreame-unction to confer grace necessary for a Church-man or a marryed-man Order Matrimony Of those you have cut off five of the two remaining that of the Eucharist which Christ sayd was his body Blood you make only a bit of Breade spoone full of wine The Catholicks have every day the unbloody sacrifice of the Altar offred at which they can as2ist they are taught that masse is composed out of the law p Prophets the Ghospel Canonicall Epistles that it is a summary of the life of Christ commemoration of his death that when they see the sacred host elevated they must call to mind his elevation on the Crosse for their sakes that they must offer him themselves with him to God the father As S. Austin teaches us l. 10. de Civit. Dei c. 20. This Dayly sacrisice you have cut off having something in Cathedralls on sundays in other Churchs seldome Soe the wholé weeke in all places a greate part of the yeare in most places passes with out that greate exercice for your devotion Ceremonyes in divineservice are necessary to fix our Phancy on the things in hand to helpe to rayse our soul to God This they doe first by their signification as knocking our Breast is a figne of greife cōtrition kneeling bowing of our adoration of God lifting up hands eyes to Heaven of raysing our wills to God c. They likewise encrease within us those dispositions they signify by a sympathy betwixt the soul body These you have retrencht as superstitious which hath opened a dore to the contempt of your holy service places where it is celebrated to which many of you shew little more respect then at other civill actions nay many would not enter into a freinds house with soe little respect as they shew entring into the house of God G.P. pag. 135. Religion consists in few things T is tru nay it consistes in one thing as to its perfection the love of God above all things But what then are helpes to stirre up that love of God to be neglected It is Pharisaicall to place our confidence in the ceremonyes or consider them as the substance of Religion but to looke on them as its ornaments meanes to stirre up strike good purposes deeper into our harts why should it be misliked The wiser of your brethren in france acknowledge bewayle the want of them Soe will you if you consider it well Catholicks have an unquestionable ordination for if we have none yours must fall to the ground you having received yours from us Yours is not only questionable but questioned actually with seeming probability denyed by Cath. 1. for want of a due minister A Bishop 2. for want of due matter forme 3. for want of due intention for your Bishops owning no sacrifice of the new law could not intend to conferre a Power to offer sacrifice which is essentiall to Preisthood They were confirmed in their opinions of your want of Ordination by your Owning Communion with those reformed Churchs in France Holland which have no lawfull ordination according to your principles your directing yours to their Churchs advising them to receive the Sacraments from them admitting those Ministers to the Ministry amongst ou without any new Ordination To conclude they had those same motives to continue in the Communion of the Catholick Church which S. Austin had which he relates I. contra Epist Fundam c. 4. Tenet consensio populorum gentium tenet auctoritas miraculis inchoata spe nutrita charitate aucta vetustate firmata tenet ab ipsa Sede Petri cui pascendas oves post Resurrectionem Dominus commendavit usque ad praesentem Episcopatum successio Sacerdotum Tenet postremò ipsum Catholicae nomen quod non sine causâ inter tam multas haereses sic ista Ecclesia sola obtinuiut ut .... Apud vos autem ubi nihil horum est sola personat veritatis pollicitatio I am retained in the Catholick Church by the consent of nations by an authority begun with miracles nourisht with hope encreased by charity establisht by antiquity I am retained by a succession of Preist beginning from S. Peter to whome our Lord after his Resurrection commended the feeding of his sheepe untill this present Pope Innocent XI Lastly I am retained by the very name of Catholick which with greate reason amongst soe many sects this Church alone obtaines What have you to oppose against such strong motives Scripture the Ghospel which if cleere for you ought without doubt be preferred before all those other motives But they found this very Ghospel this Scripture pronounce in their favour against you This is my body says the Scripture It is not Christ's body say you The commandments of God are not heavy says the Scripture The commandments of God are impossible says you A reward is due to our Good workes says the Scripture No workes of ours are meritorious nay the best are sins say you Faith without workes is dead says the Scripture you commend faith so as to make all good workes be neglected I grant some amongst you of late doe not soe crudely teach some of these doctrines being ashamed of their deformity But you cannot deny but that they were taught by the first Reformers Which was sufficient to convince the world that Scripture gave no evident verdict for them make all affrayd of theyr Reformation who had a care of their souls CHAPTER XXXVI Greater exercise of Piety amongst Catholicks then Protestants BAptisme is given validly in both Churchs but with this difference that we retaine the ancient