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A60556 An apology for the innocency and justice of the Quakers cause And a short elucidation of their principles. With some reflections upon J. Ives his papers. Written in the behalf of the Christian religion. By William Salmon professor of physick. Salmon, William, 1644-1713. 1674 (1674) Wing S421; ESTC R222357 30,083 114

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Contradicts the holy Scriptures which say Flesh and Blood shall in no wise inherit the Kingdom of God if not Elemental it loses its Accidents and then cannot be the same but do's as much differ as a Natural and Spiritual But with the Apostle Paul we say The Body that is sown is not the Body that shall be it is sown an Earthly but is raised a Spiritual the which Spiritual Body shall really be Our Body 6. He says that The Light in every man he should have said the Light of Christ which is the Light of the Spirit of the Living God but we will suppose that is his meaning for if it be not he there also wrongs us could never teach discover or reveal unto him that Christ was born of a Virgin and that he dyed and rose again though that Light did teach them that Lying Stealing Drunkenness and the like was sin yet it could not tell how God would Pardon and Save This is the greatest Presumption that ever I met withal to charge Gods Holy and Wi●e Spirit with inability as that because it do's not ordinarily do those things that therefore it cannot do them before our Lord was manifest in flesh it revealed not unto all that he should come and be born of a Virgin yet to some it did to wit to his Servants the Prophets and shall we believe that that Spirit which did reveal to some that Christ should come in such a manner could not if it so pleased the Divine Wisdome reveal the same to some others since he is come if there had deen no record thereof in being since his Arm is not shortned that he is God and changes not but is the same to day yesterday and for ever But thanks be to God the Record of the Son of God is left amongst us yet I ask the Adversary one Question How he knows that Record to be Truth except that God has revealed it to him by his Holy Spirit which he so slights and dispises 7. He saith that Every man in the world is not enlightned with the Light of Christ because that the Scripture saith that many are in darkness and stumble and have no Light in them Here the Adversary contradicts not us but the Scriptures and gives the Holy Spirit which dictated them the Lye for they testifie that that Light which John came to bear witness of was the true Light which lighteth every man that cometh into the world John 1.7 8 9. The Adversary Errs not knowing the Scriptures nor the Power of God We doubt not but many do quench the Holy Spirt else how should the Candle of the wicked be so often put out there may be a time in which the Spirit of the Lord may cease striving with man because that he is flesh and may give him up to strong delusions and to believe a Lye that he might be damned but the reason is because he believed not the Truth but had pleasure in Unrighteousness Who are they that daily Crucifie afresh the Lord of Glory and put him to open shame to whom is he a Stone of stumbling and a Rock of Offence to them who shall stumble and fall and be broken and be snared and be taken From whom was the Talent or capacity of Salvation taken away but from him that had not improved it yet it appears by the Context he had a time of receiving of it The fault is not in the Giver for he without respect of Persons gives to all but in him to whom the offer is made that he accepts it not There is a great difference between Lumen Illuminatio and Illuminatus between the thing it self the action of the thing and the matter upon which it operates The Light and Spirit of God is a free gift to all and because it is a living and active thing it cannot but enlighten all and so without doubt it do's that they might reap benefit thereby in the first place till such time as the heart waxes gross that man stops his ears and closes his eyes lest he should see with his eyes and hear with his ears and understand with his heart and should be converted and healed and in this state man is not only said to be without Light or true understanding but also without God in the world and in that sense he is said to be without God because he is not with him nor joyned to him in his Spirit but is at a distance and opposition with him But yet his Judgment and Condemnation follows such And we have one reason more to believe that the Grace of God has appeared to all men not because that wicked men turn it into wantonness and set at nought the reproofs threof Prov. 1.23 25. But because that God might be just when he judges and man might be left without excuse when he condemns for that he gave unto him his good Spirit but he rebelled against it Nehem. 9.20 26 33. Psal 51.4 Prov. 1.29 30 31. which Spirit persues the Rebellious to the Pit of Misery 8. He saith that men may sin out all sence of sin and become dark and have no light in th m The first part of this Assertion is very strange and positively contradicts the very Letter of the Holy Scripture for to those that were so bad as that they had transgressed after all the Abominations of the Heathen which mocked the Messengers of God dispised his Words and misused his Prophets yet the Lord sent to them his Messengers rising up betimes and sending them because he had compassion on them even so long till there was no remedy till the very time that his wrath brake forth upon them 2 Chron. 36.14 15 16. And the Apostle Paul saith That those which did not like to retain God in their knowledge who were given up to a reprobate mind and were filled with all Vnrighteousness Fornication Covetousness Wickedness Maliciousness full of Envy Murther Malice Debate Deceit Malignity Whisperers Backbiters Haters of God Dispiteful Prowd Boasters Inventers of evil things disobedient to Parents without Vnderstanding Covenant breakers without Natural Affection Implacable and Vnmerciful that these knew the Judgments of God that they which commit such things are worthy of Death yet notwithstanding did not only do the same but also had pleasure in them which did them Rom. 1.28 29 30 31 32. As to the last part of this Assertion and the next following in his Paper we have fully answered in the preceding Paragraph 9. The next thing the Adversary urges for is a Dispute as though it was impossible for him to prove his Charges in any other way Either the Adversary can prove what he asserts or he cannot If he can prove what he says and will not without a Publick Dispute it argues his want of Charity for who is he that has any thing of Christian Charity in him that shall see another in the Paths of Error and in the way that leads to the eternal destruction of
impossible to be avoided Either what Christ our Lord spake is Truth or not Truth if Truth then our Confession is in some measure a demonstration of our Justification mangre all the spight and malice of our Adversaries but if they I not own it to be Truth that 's no proof against us while we are faithful Followers of our Master in that we have taken him for our Example and if followers of Christ then Christians But we hope the Adversary will not dare to give our Lord the Author and God of Truth the Lye or yet presume without the Inspiration and Revelation of the Spirit of Truth to give any Construction or add any meaning to those plain words of the Truth it self for fear if he has any fear of God before his eyes that God should add to him the Plagues which are written in that Book 9. The Adversary hath not yet nor indeed can he shew in the least measure any thing of a reason in opposition to what we urged once in a former Paper the which was this Whether what we say is our Faith ought not rather to be taken for our Faith than what our Adversary says it is since we better know what we believe than what another do's if yea wherefore should the Adversary say the contrary if nay wherefore should they or any else be any more believed in any of their Verbal Confessions than we or any other man since there is no reason that their credit should exceed in the least measure ours or any other persons This Argument we think not only unanswerable but also strong enough to make invalid what ever the Adversary can say in opposition to us and not only so but also force him to give himself the Lye It was indeed great Policy in him to decline that which he could not approach to evade those things which neither his Abilities nor Malice dare venture to oppose and to let all those things pass by in silence the bare remembrance of which might be enough perfectly to overthrow his Cause But alas I talk to them who say the Confession of our Faith in Scripture Language is an Old Art of Deceivers Surely the Christian Faith and Holy Scriptures were never thus abused before But this is that the Scripture might be fulfilled they shall say all manner of evil against you falsely for my name sake 10. It is Policy in him that intends to tell a Lye to tell such an one as might have some seeming probabilities of Truth with it and not such as almost the whole world knows to be a notorious Falcity thereby rendring themselves not only void of Honesty but also Wit Let but this Calumny of the Adversaries viz. That the Quakers are no Christians be but seriously considered and you will not only find it look like an egregious Slander but such an apparent Lye as that nothing in the world could be told to exceed it either in Matter End or Evidence I hope there is none thinks but that we believe we have Souls as well as others and that we desire hope for and seek after the Salvation of them as well as others do or at leastwise that we have as much reason to do it as any have And if so who should be so simple as to believe that we should jest with Heaven or trample underfoot the blood of the Covenant as an unworthy thing What Mortal can be so void of Reason as to imagine that we should despise or slight that which has sought us or deny him from whom we not only know we receive all our Mercies here but of whom we hope to have an everlasting Life hereafter and by whom we do believe we shall be made partakers of Glory and Heirs of an eternal Inheritance The Adversary could tell no greater a falcity of us than to say that we deny him who is more to us than all the World beside for whose sake we esteem nothing we have in this world and account all things loss that we may gain him and without doubt his end of speaking of it was only to render us odious to the world and to make us the mark for all to shoot their Arrows at that if possible we might be rooted out from off the face of the Earth This is the Adversaries Charity II. Reflections upon J. Ives his Papers in Particular 1. IN the Adversaries first Paper he lays down his Charges against the Quakers upon a Chalenge to meet them to dispute but more properly to rail and that with so much Confidence and Impudence as if he intended to make the world think he positively believed them himself the which I supose and am perswaded any sober and rational man would judge the contrary and really conceive it was Prejudice not his Faith which made him lay down those Assertions 2. He says that By force of Argument he had driven them to that strait that they could make no reply but the true reason of his not having a reply was because he could not be induced by any means to stay to hear William Pen make his Answer wherein was plainly detected his falshood and Calumnies and to salve that he says he was under some indisposition of Body a notable come off and so it is not to be doubted but he may always be when he sees he is like to come by the worst 3. He says We own such Books as contain in them Doctrines no way reconcilable to Scripture Language or Christian Religion but are destructive both of the one and the other but all the proof he gives us is his bare Affirmation he needs but only say so though nothing be more false he thinks it is a good means of rendering us odious to the world there is no Artifice so excellent with him as to dare and say he will do it that people which know not his Impudence may believe he can though nothing is more impossible to be done 4. In his second Paper he reiterates his Charges and instead of seriously considering and answering of a Paper sent to him by W. S. he makes a long descant because he put not his name at length and then at length taxeth the said W. S. with Contradiction in these words that the Adversaries Tongue was no slander with sober Citizens yet that he never met with more Lyes and Slanders in so few Lines All which may well be true for in respect of the falsity of the Adversaries words themselves they are both Lies and Slanders but in respect of their acceptation with some sober Citizens they might be no Slanders because of their not believing of them 5. And totally to avoid an Answer to the said Paper he relates some Opinions he holds as That the same Body which is now the Habitation of the soul shall rise again and enter with the Soul into everlasting joy or Torment But we query whether this Body must be corruptible and Earthly Elemental or not if Earthly or Elemental the Adversary