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A17036 An ansvvere to Master Cartvvright his letter for ioyning with the English Churches: whereunto the true copie of his sayde letter is annexed. Browne, Robert, ca. 1550-1633.; Cartwright, Thomas, 1535-1603.; Harrison, Robert, d. 1585?, attributed name. 1585 (1585) STC 3909; ESTC S109433 77,571 102

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Spirituall graces be called the weapons of our warfare Also in the church there can bee no recompence made for sinne by money For the sinner is the murtherer of his owne soule And therfore the law of god is that for murther or killing any there cā be no recōpence made saue only by the death of the maslayer him selfe or the high Priest which figured thus much that except we see in any transgressour open repentance and faith in the death of Christ we are to iudge him still dead in his sinne and that money can not make him to liue nor redresse his wickednesse And the officers that take money in such a case doe euen eate vp the sinne of the people as it is written and lift vp their mindes in their iniquitie Also because the Iudges and officers of the court doe wrest Gods Lawe by their Popish cannon Lawe and respect persons and take rewarde which is forbidden in Deuteronomie and by their profession they must needes doe so or else they can not holde their office howe shal any make complaint vnto them for Church matters which can be counted none of the church And seeing Christ hath commanded to complaine to the Church against the sinner howe shall Christs ordinance be broken by complaining vnto such wretches Furthermore seeing the Scripture sheweth that the church hath nothing to doe to iudge those which are without how shal any complaine of such a number of wicked men as neuer were worthie to be coūted the church Againe seeing no godly man may seeke iudgement vnder the vniust as Paul sheweth if he haue a matter against a brother why shoulde we seeke vnto such for iudgement Further the rebuke and reforming of a brother ought not to be delayed till the time of keeping their courtes For we knowe perfectly saith Paul that the day of the Lorde shall come as a thiefe in the night and as he that sinneth ought not to delay his repentance and promise safety to him selfe least sudden destruction come so he that seeth his brother sinne ought to hast his repentance and reformation For thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine heart sayeth the Scripture but thou shalt plainely rebuke thy neighbour and not suffer sinne vpon him And the Corinthians are sharpely rebuked of negligence because they hasted not to cast out of the Church the incestuous person and likewise because they made too long delaye in receiuing him againe being penitent Againe because those cannon officers are straungers neither knowen to the Churches not dwelling among them no maruaile though Christ say that his sheepe will not followe nor seeke to strangers but will flee from them Moreouer Because they bring the Churches into bondage as it is written because they deuoure because they take their goods because they exalt them selues and as it were smite the people on the face and cast them them in prison they do all these things besides the church gouernment and therefore ought to be reiected and in no case to be uffered Thus it is manifest by the worde of God that such proude prelates and Antichristian vsurpers haue no authoritie nor power of the church neither is their suspendings to be counted suspensions by the church nor their calling of Ministers a calling by the Churche Nay surely the least in the kingdome of God shalbe able by the worde of God in their mouthes to plucke vp and roote out such plantes if none other will ioyne with them I meane they shall pronounce them by the worde of god to be abhominable haue no felowship with thē in the church so to thē they are vtterly plucked out of the Church For they are kings and priests vnder Christ to execute the lords gouernement against such and therefore they ought not to loose their right which is euen their heritage and glorie Isaiah 54. or rather the glorie or kingdome of god euen the keyes of the kingdome of heauen to binde and loose Mat. 18. The power of Christ Iesus to deliuer vp the wicked to Satan 1. Corinth 5. The scepter of his worde for rebuke doctrine exhortation promising life denouncing iudgement For this is a right scepter which subdueth the people vnder vs and the nations vnder our feete Psalme 45. He alleadgeth another proofe by peraduenture For he guesseth that peraduenture we will say it were better for an assembly to haue no minister at all then to haue a blinde reading minister And then he reasoneth thus that hauing none at all but yesterday they are the church or may be the church then hauing a dumbe minister to day they are still the Church of god and can not so suddenly be made the synagogue of Satan This is a slender proofe and borowed by imagination for we make not the minister whether dūbe or not dumbe to be the essence substance or life of the outward Church but the keeping of the couenant by the outwarde discipline and gouernement thereof And the Lorde call●th the keeping of the couenant by this discipline his staffe of beautie as appeareth in Zecharie which being broken he disanulleth his couenant with the people and so they become the sheepe of slaughter For he saith I will not feede you that that dyeth let it dye and that that perisheth let it perish and let the remnant eate euery one the flesh of neighbour Likewise in Iere. Ezek. as the breaking of the couenant is set downe to be the death and perishing of the church people of God so the keeping thereof by better discipline and gouernement was the life and renuing of the Church Why then shoulde Master Cartwright reason so fondly as though they that helde the couenant to day might not breake it to morowe and as though any grosse wickednesse committed of all were not the breaking of the couenant by all Did not the people pleade truely against Reuben and God that if they rebelled to daye against the Lorde euen to morrowe the Lorde woulde be wroth with all the Congregation of Israel And they alleadge further that for Achans sinne wrath fell on all the congregation of Israel Howe suddenly and quickely was this sinne committed and howe soone was the Lorde prouoked euen to forsake all the congregation and to be with them no more except they destroyed the excommunicate from among them for so are the wordes of the Lorde him selfe Nowe what was that sinne which Israel calleth rebellion in Reuben and God both against the Lorde and against the rest of Israel And what was the sinne of Achan Surely they thought that the Reubenites and Gadites had broken that commandement which the Lorde had giuen them namely that they should not offer their burnt offerings in euery place which they liked but only in the place which the Lorde had chosen to put his name there Now who knoweth not but that that place of
And for this purpose there are appointed these other partes of discipline namely that the Church doe iudge those which are within for it hath nothing to doe saith Paul to iudge those that are without The discipline of the church poceedeth against the brethrē that offend as was shewed before not agaynst scorners or careles worldlings For the lord doth now take vs of the gentiles for priests leuites as it is written and as wee may not bring into the lords sanctuary strangers vncircamcised in heart to pollute his house that is wicked wretches which haue not the lords couen̄at may not be receiued into fellowship of the church so those that are within being fallen to transgression they shal iudge according to my iudgements saith the Lord and they shall keepe my lawes and my statutes in all my assemblies For there is a particular iudging dealing against any in the church as by particular rebuke pronouncing accu●sed him that grossely offendeth there is a general iudging of any without the church For it is written that we shal iudge the angels And euery nation that shall rise vp in iudgement against the church shal it condemne this iudging is no part of the particular iudging we speak of And here come in other parts of discipline to be spoken of namely for priuate rebuke of the brethren that priuately offend for open rebuke of open sinnes for casting off forsaking felowship brotherhood with grosse open offenders These partes of discipline although they are prooued made manifest before yet because M C. saith that some part of discipline may bee wanting let vs see which of them may be wanting and the church notwithstanding haue the essence and name of the church First Christ hath gieun power to euery christian to reteyne the sinnes of euery brother whom he knoweth to trespasse against him not to forgiue hym except he see him repē So that if any person want this power he is not to be counted a christian And this power reacheth so far not only for open but euen for priuate offences to iudge take any man for a heathen a publican if he wil not be reformed Now this liberty power euery christian must hold or els he is the seruāt of mē not of christ If then a particular christian cannot want it how shal the whole church be without it yet be named the church of christ Euery particular christiā is a king a priest vnto god a king because he holdeth the scepter of gods word to iudge the offēders a priest because in euery place he offreth incense and a pure offring to the name of the Lord as it is Malachy So thē he is vtterly without the kingdō priesthod of christ if that liberty be denied him I mean of iudging rebuking the particular offenders forsaking their fellowship if they wil not be reformed Howe much more shall the Church be without this kingdō priesthod of christ so without christ hymself if it want this libertie power Likewise as we shewed before euery christian hath power seuerally to forsake wicked fellowship not to cōpany together with wicked brethrē And as by this liberty power they vphold their kingdō in Christ so without it both they and the whole church do lose their interest in the priesthood kingdom of Christ and so are none of his church For they haue not the keyes of the kingdom of heauē to bind lose to reteine or remit mens sinnes and therefore what right can they haue in the kingdom of christ If they cannot openly particularly rebuke how shall they openly particularly binde and if they cānot openly particularly cast out or excōmunicate the grosser offender how shal they bind For being still reteined as brethrē in the church how shall they pronounce them to be boūd in heauē How shall they shut the gates of heauen against those whom still they keepe in the bosome of the church If M. C. say that a general rebuke iudging of the wicked is a binding let him knowe that the Church hath more liberty right particularly to iudge those which are within then generally to iudge those that are without And safely if it haue not power to iudge those which are within it hath no power of iudging at all So that it is manifest that no part of church discipline can be wanting but the church doth straightway go to mine thereby For a cōfused gathering of al together was proued to be no church of God Likewise if the couenant of the church the sacraments thereof be broken and disanulled Master C. graunteth that there is no church and nowe it is shewed that without that power of rebuking and iudging those which are within and of excomunicating those that deserue it there can be no church of God As for that his fonde answere that for some default in preaching and some default in obedience the discipline of the church may fayle and yet be the church let him knowe that though some preacher or other person offende yet doeth not therefore the discipline of the church fayle or want except the church be negligent or wilfully refuse to redresse such offences or is brought into bondage that it can not redresse them And yet also the question is not of some weakenes and failing in discipline but a full want and ouerthrowe either of the whole or of some parte thereof Wherefore that proofe they alleadgeby the Corinthians that they wanted discipline yet were the church of God is false very vaine For they wanted it not but were negligent therein They were not vnder the bondage of a popish discipline power which denyed and withhelde the Lordes discipline Nowe negligence was a fault in them yet not an vtter ouerthrowe and failing of discipline For being rebuked of Paul they mended this negligence in so much that their repentance and sorowe for their negligence wrought a great care in them yea as the text saith a clearing of themlselues an indignation a feare a great desire a zeale a punishing of themselues Likewise for their abuses in the Sacrament of the Supper Paul condemneth euen the Supper and sayeth This is not to eate the Lordes Supper And for abusing that Sacrament many of them were plagued of God and dyed So that although for a tyme they turned the Sacrament to be a iudgement against thē the discipline of the church did fayle yet was it not therefore quite ouerthrowē debarred from thē Also whereas some beleeued not the resurrection frō the dead it was the ignorance of those which had newely imbraced the Christian profession and not the ouerthrowe of the church discipline And here is that answered which M. C. alledgeth that Paul calleth the churches of God by the title of