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A disputacio[n] of purgatorye made by Ioh[a]n Frith which is deuided in to thre bokes. The first boke is an answere vnto Rastell, which goeth aboute to proue purgatorye by naturall phylosophye. The seconde boke answereth vnto Sir Thomas More, which laboureth to proue purgatorye by scripture. The thirde boke maketh answere vnto my lorde of Rochestre which most leaneth vnto the doctoures
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Frith, John, 1503-1533.
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And he y t wolde not beleue them rydde him out of y â waye for feare of disclosinge their iugglinge for hâ⦠that douteth of pardons purgatorye he pluâ⦠keth oure holy father by the beerde NOtwithstoudinge my lorde coÌfirmeth both pardons purgatorye by the texte y â christ spake vnto Peter Mat. xvj To the will I ge ue the hayes of the kingdoÌ of heaven what so ãâã thou bindest vââ¦on the erth it shalbe bouâ⦠de iÌ hââ¦adeÌ what so ever thou loosest on y â erthit shalbe loosed ãâã heaven But these wordes saieth my lorde had bene spoken in vayne if hâ⦠coulde not geue pardons and loose men out of purgatoââ¦ye c. ââ¦s touchinge the kayes albe it they hauâ⦠often tymes bene declared in a maner in everye treatise y t hath bene put forth in the english tongue yet will I sum what shew my minde itâ⦠them There is but one kaye of heaven which Christ calleth the kaye of knowiege Luc. xj And this kaye is the worde of god Christ rebuked y â ãâã for takinge awaye this kaye from the people for they with their tradicyons false exposicyons had fullye excluded the kaye of knowlege which is the worde of god had clene sââ¦utte vâ⦠y â scripture as oures haue done now adayes It is also called y e kaye of david which shutteth no man openath opeââ¦eth aÌd no man ââ¦hutteth Apo. iij. And because of these two effectes which it worketh for it both shutteth ope neth hath it the dominacioÌ of kayes yet as I sayed in dede it is but one which is the worde of god This kaye or kayes now calle it as you will sith yow knowe what it meaneth Christ de lyvered vnto Peter vnto his other apostles a like which you shall easelye perceave if you marke where when they were geven For mat xvj they were onlye promised not yet geven for Christ sayed I will geue the the kayes not I geue the. But after he was risen from deeth then performed he his promisse gaue y e kayes to all indifferentlye as thou maistse Iohan. xx aÌd luke in the. xxiiij expoundeth it y t he opened their wittes to vnderstonde the scripture y t repentaunce forgeuenesse might be preached cÌ Therfore it is the worde y t bindeth and looseth thorow the preachinge of it For when thou tellest them their vices iniquityes coÌdemnige theÌ by the lawe then bindest thou them by y e worde of god when thou preachest mercye in Christ vnto all y t repent then dost thou loose them by the worde of god Therfore he y â preacheth not the worde of god can neyther binde nor loose no though he call him silfe pope And contrarye wyse he y t preacheth his worde he bindeth loo seth even as well as Peter Paule although he be called but Sir Ihon of the countrye And consequentlye to saye that he pope can deliver any soule out of purgatorye if there were one is but a vayne lye excepte he can proue that he goeth doune vnto them preach vââ¦to them the worde of god which is the salt that must ceason them kaye y â must lette them out for other losinge is thoâ⦠noue And likwyse to saye y â the ãâã can geue any pardon to redeme sinnes excepte he preach me that Christes bloude hath perdoned me is even like vanite ãâã thinketh also that he wadeth to depe to descende to purgatorye by this texte For the texte sayeth that whate so ever he bindeth on erth shalbe bounde in heaven and what so ever he loseth on erth cÌ But now they graunte theÌ selves that purgatorye is not on erth but the thirde place in hell And therfore it passeth his bondes to stretch his hand to purgatorye and so this texte can not serve him â NOt withstondinge my lorde is not content to geue him this power onlye but he hath so farre waded in the popes power that he hath graunted him full auctorite to delyver all men from hell if they be notdampned all readye for sayeth he who so ever haue committed a capitale cryme hath therâ⦠deserved dampnacyon and yet maye the pope delyver him both from the cryme and also from the payne due vnto it ââ¦ud he afferââ¦eth that iij. tymes in the. xxj article for feare of forgettinge Uppon this poynte will I a litle reason with my lorde and so will I make an ende If the pope maye delyver any man from the cryme that ãâã hath committed and also from the payne due vnto it as you affirme then maye he by the same auctorite delyver xx an hundred a thousan ãâã yee and all the worlde for I am sure you can shew me no reason why he maye delyver some and not all If he can do it then let him veliver ââ¦erye man that is in the poynte of deeth both from the cryme and from the payne and so shall never man more neyther entre in to hell nor yet in to purgatorye which were the best dede and most charitablest that ever he did yee and this ought he to do if he coulde although it shulde ââ¦ost him his awne life and soule therto as Mo ses and Paule geue him ensample but yet there is no ieoperdye of neyther nother Now if he caÌ do it as you saye will not then is he the most wretched and cruell tyraunte that ever lyved even the verye sonne of perditio and worthye to be dampned in an hundred thousand helles For if he haue receaved such power of god that he maye save all men and yet will not but suffre so manye to be dampned I reporte me vn to youre selves what he is worthye to haue Now if any man wolde solute this reason aÌd saye that he maye do it but that it is not mete for him to do it because y t by their paynes goddes iustyce maye be satisfyed I saye that this their evasion is nothinge worth neyther yet ãâã I imagyne any waye wherbye they maye haue anye apparence to escape For my lorde sayeth him silfe that the pope must pacefye goddes iustice for everye soule that he delyvereth froÌ pur gatorye and therfore hath he imagyned that the pope hath in his hande the merites of Christes passion which he maye applye at his pleasure where he will And also he sayeth that the merites of Christes passion are sufficient to redeme all the sinnes in the worlde Now sith these merites on their parte are sufficient to satiââ¦ye the ââ¦ustice of god and ãâã the hoell worlde and also that the pope hath them in his hande to distribute at his pleasure then lacketh there no more but even the popes distribucyon ãâã the saluacioÌ of the hoell worlde For he ãâã ãâã ãâã goddes wrath and satisfye his iustice sayeth my lorde by ââ¦lyinge these merites to them that ââ¦acke good workes And