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A57976 A peaceable and temperate plea for Pauls presbyterie in Scotland, or, A modest and brotherly dispute of the government of the Church of Scotland wherein our discipline is demonstrated to be the true apostolick way of divine truth, and the arguments on the contrary are friendly dissolved, the grounds of separation and the indepencie [sic] of particular congregations, in defence of ecclesiasticall presbyteries, synods, and assemblies, are examined and tryed / by Samuell Rutherfurd ... Rutherford, Samuel, 1600?-1661. 1642 (1642) Wing R2389; ESTC R7368 261,592 504

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grant have authoritie of grace to be Kings and Priests to God for grace hath with it heavenly Majestie and authoritie but they have not authoritie officiall or power ecclesiastick they want both power of order and jurisdiction except they be called Pastours and Elders but then they are believers and somewhat more But if they want power of jurisdiction their power as members of the congregation is christian popular private not authoritative not a power of the keyes Grace true and saving addeth a faire lustre to the power of the keyes and doth graciously qualifie and adorn that power but where there is no power of the keyes in simple believers it cannot adorne it to please and embrouder a wicked man is not Christ. What is the power of believers shall be declared hereafter if God permit 4. Parker disputeth thus The Church-guides must be subject to the censures of the Church of believers whereof they are members The Colossians must say to Archippus take heed to the ministerie that thou hast received of the Lord. So Ambrose thinketh it the rulers even the Emperours honour to bee subject to the Church Nazian calleth the Emperour himselfe a sheepe of the flocke and subject to the tribunall as Bellarmine granteth and that tell the Church bindeth Peter and the highest ruler So Barrow Every member is bound to the edification service and utilitie of the whole body commanded to reprove his brother to bind their sins by the word of God even their Princes with chaines to admonish Archippus yea though an Apostle or Angell preached an other Gospell to pronounce him accursed Answ. That the Prelate should be above the Church and exempted from the lawes and censures of the Church whereof he is a Prelate is most unjust and this worthy Parker proveth unanswerably Emperours being pastours are under the lawes of Jesus Christ the highest lawgiver and so Ambrose and Nazianzen say well But hence is not proved because the Collossians are as private Christians to admonish or rubuke their pastour Archippus Therefore the body of believers have the power of the keyes to depose and excommunicate and consequently to ordaine and lay hands on pastours which is commanded and commended only to such as to Timothy and Titus and in them to the Elders and Presbyterie and that tell the Church doeth bind Peter and oblige all Pastors and Rulers to be lyable to the lawes and censures of the Church but by the word Church is not meaned the Church of believers but the Eldership of all incorporations ecclesiastick respective of congregations presbyteries and Synods as God willing I shall make good 3. Barrowes Scriptures are most corruptly wrested for Ioseph a prince did bind in fetters the Senators of Egypt therfore a private believer hath the keyes of the Kingdome of heaven to shut and open What reason is there here An Apostle or Angell preaching another Gospell is accursed it followeth not Therefore a private believer suppone a woman who is no lesse than a man bound to the edification service and utilitie of the whole body is to excommunicate an Apostle or an Angell who shall preach an other Gospell The keyes shall be too common if all private Christians may put to their hand and use them because they are to teach admonish rebuke comfort and edifie one another in a private and popular way any may see it is one thing for one member of the body to help one another by exhorting and rebuking which is a worke of common charitie and for pastors publikely as the ambassadors of Christ Jesus to use the keyes by publike preaching of the Gospell which is a worke of his pastorall charge yea these two differ as an act of obedience to the law of nature and common charitie and an act of obedience to a divine positive law 5. Parker reasoneth thus Coactive jurisdiction as excommunication is a meane of edification that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord 1 Corinthians 5. 4. Now the soules of guides Parker saith the soules of Prelates shall bee in a wors● case than the soules of the flocke if they bee not subject to a particular Church as Corinth for they want that meane of edification which others have Some say Synods are to take order with pasto●rs and not the Church of Believers But Papists answer The Bishop is to be judged by the Archbishop or Patriarch if they shall scandalously sinne then they are to be left to the Pope and the Generall Councell which cannot be had Answer I deny not but every pastour is subject in some things to the Eldership of the congregation where he is and if he were not lyable to lawes or censure hee were a pope but in the matter that deserveth deprivation he is only to be censured by the Presbyterie and Synods for a number of believers nay a number of Ruling Elders cannot deprive him because they cannot ordaine a pastour for the law saith well It is one power of the keyes to ordaine and to exauthorate and deprive But no word of God will warrant a number of believers to censure ecclesiastically their pastor not because hee is their pastor and they his flocke for so the Eldership of his owne congregation might not ecclesiastically censure him which I judge to be false but because the Church of sole believers hath not the power of the keyes and they have not power to censure any other believer except in a private way as fellow members of that same body but in a constitute Church a Colledge of pastors and Elders only hath power to deprive or excommunicate a pastour and there remaineth CHRISTS way of edification that hee bee in this case censured by Synods But yee will say this is the Papists answer I answer it is not for they will have the pastour censured by the Prelate the Prelate by the Arch-Prelate which we deny as Antichristian for all are to be by the Church But Synods m●y erre Then appe●le to a greater Synod for united force is stronger But they also you will say may errr● I answer and the Congregation of sole beleevers is not free from error but this doctrine of our brethren shall resolve all government in the hands of th● people as in the highest and most soveraigne ju●icature which is to make all Pastors all oversee●● all Judges 6. Parker reasoneth from the necessary defence of the Church Every particular Church is an Armie a Ship a body 1 Cor. 12. Therefore when they are neare danger they have power to take order with a drunken Pilot and put him from the rud●er and to take order with a tyrann●u● Capt●ine and to purge out the filth and excrements of the body So politicians as Keckerman Hottomanus say a wicked Magistrate is to be deposed if no other remedy can be found So Gerson Answ. It is one thing what a multitude may doe in a desperate case of necessity
in an orderly way as may be collected from Act. 15. 12 13. letters are sent in the Churches name charity sent to the distressed Saints in their name officers chosen by their consent but all this maketh no popular government if we speak properly seeing the multitude doth not judge define judicially nor sentence nor command and give out Canons and Constitutions But these of whom we now speake doe constitute a popular government in the Church which I proove 1. Parker the fore-said Authours Best M. Jacob Smith and these that are for independency of Congregations ascribe to the whole multitude and from 1 Cor. 5. 4 5 12. a judiciall exercise of the rod and a judging of these that are within Mat. 2. 18. The Church to be heard and obeyed that doth judicially excommunicate is not the Church of over-seers say they but the Church of all believers 3. Binding and loosing and the keyes of the Kingdome and that is both power and exercise is given to the Church builded on the rocke against which the gates of Hell shall not prevaile Mat. 16. 18 19. so they teach also 4. All the power and jurisdiction that Presbyteries and Synods have saith Parker is from the Church of believers 5. The Congregation of believers hath power of jurisdiction over the officers and rulers of the Church to make and unmake ordaine censure depose and excommunicate their over-seers say they Now all who have written Politiks as Aristotle Bodin Tholosanus and our Divines disputing against the Popes Monarchy Junius Daneus Keckerman Chamier Musculus Sadeel say these are properly Judges who cognosce and authoritatively try sentence decree and punish delinquents and all this the whole faithfull doe by the power of the keyes as is prooved ergo there is a democraticall or popular government brought into Christs house this way and all necessity of overseers and officers taken close away Smith saith it is Antichristian to place Rulers and Elders over the whole body of the Church Yea he seeth not why all believers may not preach and administer the Sacraments And if the Keyes be given to them and actuall government to over-see and rule their over-seers I see not how this will not follow from the fore-said grounds See what Arnisaeus and Spalato saith both acknowledge that is popular government when the people ruleth themselves Neither is it enough to say the Elders rule because they propone and order all things and reproove convince and exhort for no man will have the Apostle James whom many of our Divines think President and Moderator of the Councell of Hierusalem Act. 15. The Ruler and one that is over the Councell in the Lord and such an one as the Councell must obey and submit unto for his place of Moderation For the Duke of Venetia because he moderateth their Senate and proponeth and ordereth suffrages is not thought by Bodine Tolosanus Arnisaeus Keckerman or any Politician to be the King and Prince of the Venetians and Lord Judge over the Senate The Lacedemonian government was popular howbeit the people did order their matters by their Ephori that were a sort of Rulers to the people The Moderatour of our Assembly is not Judge or over the Assembly in the Lord Nay he hath not a suff●age and decisme voice in our Assembly because he is Moderator but because he is a chosen Commissioner and member of the Assembly So Field saith well If the Pope be only a President in the Councell he is not a Prince Turr●cremata distinguisheth betwixt a President of Honour and a President of Authority The Canon of the Councell of Paris maketh the Pope above this or this Church or Bishop but when he is in a generall Councell he is there as a President of Honour only not as a Prince but as the first member by order of the Councell and subject to the Councell Now the Scripture giveth to the over-seers an authority a presidency of authority We must obey them and submit to them and heare them as we would heare Christ. 2. Seeing this is ordinary to our Brethren to reason thus All the faithfull are the Spouse and Body of Christ Kings and Priests unto God and have a like title and interest in him therfore the Keyes are immediately communicated to them without the mediation of Rulers interveening Hence I inferre if all have alike right to the keys for their alike title by Faith and right of free redemption in Christ ergo all are alike Rulers over all in the Lord then because believers as believers have a title and interest in Christ as their redeemer and office-bearers because office bearers have no title in Christ as Redeemer for no office giveth a man a claime to Christ as a redeemer but only some generall title to him as Lord of the house Hence it shall follow that the believers are Over-seers and Rulers and Pastors and that they should order and moderate all publick actions So I see no authority or preheminency given to the Church-guides but that which is due and more due to the believers then to them As for reprooving convincing exhorting these are common to all the faithfull as our Brethren say and so due to them by virtue of the keys and more due then to office-bearers who do but borrow the keyes at the second hand as they teach and receive them not immediately from Christ. Now we all know that Anabaptists take away all Magistracy under the New Testament all dominion conquered by warre all relation of captain and souldier master and servant upon this ground that we are all Christs free-men all Christians equally redeemed in Christ And if the sonne make you free then are you free indeed And the New Testament maketh us all Christs ransomed ones and so there should be no servant And we are called in Christ to liberty be not servants of men See what our Divines Calvin Pareus Bucan Tilenus Professours of Leyden answer Anabaptists Libertines Socinians Arminians thus abusing Gods Word And certainly if the keyes and government of the Church be given to all believers because they are all made Kings Priests and Prophets and we are made free and redeemed in Christ and all things are made ours Therfore I may well inferre upon the same grounds the keys of civill power to be Kings temporall and freemen civilly are made ours if all things be ours and so no Magistrate no Captain no souldier peace and liberty are ours no master or servant I am far from thinking that our worthy Brethren do allow of this conclusion but the principles are too sibb and near of blood What Fathers say for the Church government by Elders and not by the people may be seen in Ignatius who will have us to have recourse to the Apostles as to the Colledge of Presbyters And
of the keyes for if admonition private per modum communis charitatis and not per modum specialis delegationis were an act of the keyes then because an Elder woman is to instruct the younger one woman should have both the power and actuall exercise of the kyes towards an other woman this is absurd Their seventh Argument is from the Parisian Schoole All things are yours whether Paul or Apollo or Cephas c. So they cite Revel 2. 27. So Robinson and so Smith so Parker To whom Christ is given for a King to them the power of Christ the King is given Also to whome the covenant and Christ is given to them all the promises 2 Corinth 1. 10. Psalm 133. 3. Act. 2. 39. And so the power of binding and loosing is given Answer 1. All are yours finaliter that is all are for you avd tend to your salvation 2. All are yours in fructu in the fruit that God bringeth out of all Paul or Apollo their ministerie out of life and death that is faith comfort salvation are yours this is true But all are yours subjective inhaesive formaliter All are yours formally and in possession it is false for then yee should be all earthly Kings all Pastours to preach and administer the Sacraments 2. Christ and the promises are made to one single believer and that a woman a childe but a single woman is not the Church having power to bind and loose in heaven 3. The promise of binding and loosing is made to the faithfull that is for their good and edifying but not to them as the subject for in that place it is said The world life and death are yours how can the world be in the faithfull as in the subject They doe not possesse all the world how is death in them as the subject except they be dead 8. They reason thus Christ hath given in gift Pastors to the Church Ergo He hath given them the authoritie of Pastors for God mocketh not his Church to give them gifts whereof they are not capable Hence Parker inferreth that the power of the keyes is in the believers immediately and in the Rulers at the second hand and borrowed from them Answer First I retort the Argument Christ hath given the actuall exercise of the keyes the preaching of the Word and the administration of the Sacraments to the Church of believers will it hence follow that believers because they are believers are capable of the exercise of the keyes This is against Parker himselfe 2. Christ hath given Pastours to the Church in gift that is to the Church as the Subject and first disposer of these offices it is most false for the Rulers of the Church or Presbyterie is the first subject and these who authoritatively under Christ doe ordaine pastours the Church of believers doth only elect and choose them by a popular consent Christ hath given Pastours in gift to the Church that is for the Churches good and edification hence it followeth not that believers are uncapable of Pastours in the way and manner that they are given to them God mocketh not Israel when he giveth to them David as their King but it followeth not the people are the first subject of the Kingly power 9 Parker reasoneth thus ibid. The power spoken of Mat. 16. and 18. should be applyed to all the Church and to Christs friends not to his enemies there is no ecclesiastick power in heretikes and Schismatikes What is the cause seeing both heretikes and also believers doe exercise the power of the keyes that the keyes are given to the one that is to believers as to the end and not to heretikes Surely as Gyprian saith because the authoritie is given principally to believers as to the end and to them principally and to others secondarily as they are esteemed parts of the Church of believers and have their authoritie derived from believers Answer The power spoken of Mat. 16. 18. is given to the visible governing Church whether they be believers or hypocrites providing they be Pastours and Elders called lawfully by the presbyterie and chosen by the people and the power of the keyes is given to the eldership that hath the oversight of the flocke in the Lord 1 Thessal 5. as to the subject but yet this power is given to the Church of believers to gather them in to Christ and for the reprobate to cleare Gods justice and to make them inexcusable and there is no reason to aske a cause Why both believers and heretikes exercise the power of the Keyes seeing Christ gave this power to believers and not to heretikes for I say Christ hath given the power of the keyes to both when he gifteth both with abilitie to discharge the places and giveth them authoritie in his Church And it is a false ground and not farre from Anabaptisme that there is not Ecclesiasticall power in heretikes and Schismatikes Iudas and all called Pastors and Elders suppose they be before God but plaistered hypocrites and covered Wolves have no lesse the power of the keyes as is cleare Matthew 7. 22 23. Philippians 1. 16. then Paul or Peter And also it is false that Rulers have their authoritie from believers they have their offices by way of ordination from Christ and the Presbyterie and by way of popular election and designation from professors of the Church bee partly believers partly unbelievers 10. M. Smith reasoneth thus Christ gave the power of binding a●d loosing Mat. 18. not to the Presbytery but to Disciples and Bret●ren because vers 15. 17. the Disciples move a question concerning the Kingdome of Heaven and Christ teacheth that little ones that is Brethren and Disciples are not to be offended but to be sough when they are lost v. 15. he teaches the duties of admonition in the degrees thereof for the winning of brethren He speaketh of Brethren and Disciples attributing to them power of binding and loosing v. 19. promising the hearing of their prayers if they be but two or three v. 21. 22. teaching them remission of offences private unto seventy times seven times Answer All this dependeth upon this Argument If the whole scope and intent aime at Disciples and Brethren then power of binding and loosing is given to brethren which connexion is most false and loose Christ speaketh to believers of the power of the ministeriall Church or Preaching Baptizing Ergo Hee giveth to these hee speaketh unto and to all brethren power to binde and loose and preach and baptize This doth not follow for so a power to preach and baptize is given to believing women Christ speaketh to his Disciples as Disciples of the dominion of the Kings and Princes of the Gentiles of false Prophets Wolves in Sheep-skins ergo he giveth to his Disciples a power to be Kings and a warrant to be false Teachers it followeth no wayes 2. By a brother v. 15. is not meant a true believer but a brother in
19 20. where the Church had her owne Synods without the consent of a civill Magistrate but we are to repute it a speciall favour of God when the King as a nursing-●ather will countenance Synods with his royall presence God blesse our King 5. Conclusion The Kings royall power in adding his sanction to the ecclesiasticall constitutions and in punishing such as are decreed to be hereticks by the Church is regall and not ministeriall and servile See for this the Con c. Chalced. A●t 16. the Imperiall lawes Cod. l. 1 tit 8. leg 2. Heretic Vocab decret p. 2. caus 23. q. 8. c. 30. crossing Bellar. de pont l. 1. c. 7. So do their owne men goe against Bellarmine in this as Sanderus de clavib David l 2. c. 13. Carerius de potest sum pont l. 2. c. 23 Leo epist. 38. to Martian and Pulcheria and Leo epist. 7. to Theodosius Becanus erreth here with Bellarmine making the King as a servant obliged to adde his sanction civill to ecclesiasticall Canons Becan in opusc exam conc Anglic c. 7. 1. Because the use of the sword at Gods commandement is a kingly act commanded by God and is service done to God not to the Church 2. Neither is the King so to execute the Churches will as he should judge only of the fact and of the assumption yea he is to judge of the law and of the major proposition I or we see not in the Word of God where a Judge is a Judge to punish a fault and is not to know judicially that it is a fault a Judge as a Judge should know such a thing to be heresie and not tak● it upon the word of an Assembly of Church-men Deu. 17. 18 19. he is expresly to reade and know the law and to know and remember the Decree Prov. 31. 5. And the cause which he knoweth not he is to search out Job 29. 16. all which is meant of a knowledge not of private discretion which is required in all private Christians but as I take these places of a knowledge judiciall and authoritative which agreeth to a Judge as a Judge 3. If a Synod erre and decree that man to be an heretick who is sound in the faith the King is not obliged to erre with the Synod and to punish the innocent he is to decree righteous judgement and so the King is to judge of heresie but after a regall and civill way and with a coactive pow●r as the Synod or Church-Assembly is to judge of heresie after an ecclesiastick way and with a spirituall power 2. The King punisheth heresie as it troubleth the Common-w●alth and the Synod as it is scandalous and infectious in the Church Yea and the Christian King ruleth over men as men and also as Christian-m●n he ruleth over them as men with a dominion over their bodies lives and goods by his civill lawes he hath also dominion as King over men as Christians and members of Christs kingdome and Church not over their consc●ences for that is proper only to the father of spirits but he hath a coactive power over all men even Pastors as to cause them do their Christian duties he hath power to compell Church-men in Assemblies to determine truth and to use the keyes right and to preach and use the Sacraments according as Christ hath commanded in his Word and to punish them when they do otherwise What then if the King discerne that to be truth and absolve the man whom the Church-Assembly doth condemne as an heretick who shall judge betwixt them I answer the infallible rule of judging for both is the Word of God which speaketh home unpartially to both if they will heare but certainly the Kings civill kingly coactive power to compell men to doe their duty remaineth the highest and most supream power on Earth in genere potestatis politicae in the kind of politick power and pastors and all men may by this power be compelled to do right as for the abuse of the power it is no part of the power and in this kind the King hath a negative politick and kingly suffrage and voyce in all Church Assemblies no ecclesiasticall constitution hath the force of a law without the politick suffrage of the civill Judge And againe the ecclesiastick power that Christ hath given to his Church remaineth also the most supreme power under Christ in genere potestatis ecclesiasticae and the King is subject to this power The King is not excepted in this He that despiseth you despiseth me and in this whatsoever ye shall binde on earth shall be bound in Heaven and in this whose sinnes ye remit they are remitted and whose sinnes ye retaine they are retained and this ecclesiasticall power being the highest on Earth Pastors may command Kings in the Lord Jer. 1. 10 18 17. to doe their duty by an ecclesiastick power Arminians and Formalists both aske which of the two powers are highest and nearest unto the head Christ whither the kingly power or the ecclesiastick power for two paralell highest powers on earth cannot be I answer by asking which of the two shoulders in a mans body are highest and nearest to the mans head Certainly one of them in a well proportioned body is not higher then another and both are alike neare the head as none of two pole-starrs are nearer to their Zenith and Nadir none of two wheels in a right Chariot are higher then another The Church power saith the Prelate Davenant is highest in teaching and directing the kingly power in commanding and compelling Barclai compareth them to two shoulders under one head Meisner saith one of them is not above another There is no absurdity saith Spalato that in two bodies formally different there should be two heads yea it is necessary The Roman Glosse saith Patricius is the Popes father in things temporall and the Pope is his father in things spirituall as Cusan saith Papists saith Spalat have deleted that out of the Glosse So Berengarius Gelasius Papa Nicolaius the I agree to these words Sciendum quod nec Catholicae fidei nec Christianae contrarium est legi si ad honorem regni sacerdotij Rex pontifici pontifix obediat regi Spalato seemeth against Bellarmine to make up the losses made by Papists in Kings honour while he holdeth that the King his person and as he is a Christian man is subject to Church-power but as King he is subject to none but to Christ from whom immediately he hath his kingly dignity even as saith he when an Emperours servant being a Physitian the Emperour as Emperour is not subject to the Physitian but only the Emperour as he is a wounded man is subject to the art of his owne servant who cureth him and that of the Emperour free-will not by coaction so the Image-maker or he who maketh pourtracts in his art is not subject to the King neither is the King as King
non habet The tongue of the condemned hath a noise of words but no power to perswade except this be also true Magna vis veritatis Truth may swim it cannot sinke But I speake to the godly the lover of the Truth the sufferer for Truth against Antichristian Prelacy which is but spilt Popery or half-dyed Papistry who possibly liketh not well of Presbyteriall government And to such I am a debtor for love charity honour and all due respect in Christ Jesus and a seat and lodging in my heart and highest esteeme And to thinke of all such is both as the Apostle saith 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 meet And also if it be beside the truth an honest and almost innocent error Yea and to say to every one in whom as reverend Bucer saith there 's aliquid Christi any of Christs new Creation as Ierom said to a friend tibi quod possum debeo quod non possum I owe to thee what I am able to doe and more for thy good And of these I humbly beg equity charity and unpartiall weighing of precious truth I am grieved that this should bee put on mee which a Heathen laid on his friend Amavit patriam quia suam non quia patriam he loved his countrey because his owne not because his countrey Seeing it's weaknesse to overlove a Nationall faith because Nationall and not because it 's faith Truth naked and stripped of all supervenient relations is love worthy And there is as great cause of sorrow that all the Lords people should not mind one thing and sing one Song and joyne in one against the children of Babel Neither should I feare that animo dolenti nihil oportet credere sorrow deserveth no faith Since my witnesse is in heaven and my record on high That I both love and dispute I contradict and I reverence at once in this Treatise and shall hope if any be otherwise minded God shall even reveale this unto them And it is meet so to doe since our Physician Christ can well difference betwixt weaknesse and wickednesse and will not have us cast one straw before any whose face is towards Heaven to cause them to stumble Love hath a bosome and armes to carry the weake Lambes and is a bridge over the River to keep the weake passenger dry footed Dearly beloved let us all in one Spirit one love one affection joyne to build the City that is named The Lord is there O that our Lord would be pleased to suspend the Heaven and glory of some and that our Heaven might for a season be stayed out of Heaven so we might live to see two Sisters the Daughters of one Father and of one Mother Ierusalem who is above Britaines Israel and Iudah England and Scotland comming together weeping and asking the way to Sion and their faces thither ward saying Come let us joyne our selves to the Lord in a perpetuall Covenant that shall not be forgotten And not that only for why should the Glory of our Royall and princely King the plant of Renowne be confined within this narrow Isle o● Britaine but that he would make us eye-witnesses of his last Marriage-glory on earth when he having cast the cursed milstone Babylon in the Sea and sowne the land of graven Images with brimstone and destroyed Idols out of the earth shall be espoused on our elder Sister the Church of the Jewes and the fulnesse of the Gentiles O that Christ would enlarge his Love bed And O what a honour to the servants of the Lord to beare up the taile of Christ his Marriage-robe-royall in the day of our high and royall Solomons espousals And what a second time-Heaven were it before eternities Heaven to have a bed in his chariot which is bottomed with gold and paved and floured with Love for the daughters of his last married Ierusalem And who knoweth but our Lord hath now entred on that glorious Marriage-suit Let us beleeve wait on love follow truth and peace be zealous for the Lord and pray for the exalting of his Throne And so I am Yours in all respective love and observance S. R. A Table of the Contents of the ensuing Treatise CHAP. 1. QUEST 1. WHether the keyes of the Kingdome of Christ be conferred by Christ Jesus upon the multitude of beleevers as upon the first and proper subject or upon the Church-guides only p. 1. CHAP. 2. QVEST. 2. Whether or no some doe warrantably prove from Scripture that the power of the keyes is given to all the faithfull p. 20. CHAP. 3. QVEST. 3. Whether or no the Church of beleevers in a Congregation be the first Church having the highest power of jurisdiction within it selfe and that independently and a power above and over the Eldership to constitute and ordaine them and to censure depose and excommunicate them in the case of corruption of Doctrine and scandals of life and conversation p. 30. CHAP. 4. QVEST. 4. Whether or no our brethren prove strongly that the Church of beleevers is the first Church having supreame jurisdiction over the Eldership p. 38. CHAP. 5. QVEST. 5. Whether or no some doe warrantably affirme the power of the keyes to be originally and essentially in the Church of beleevers and in the Church-guides only quoad exercitium and from the Church of beleevers as the Mistresse whom the guides are to serve and from whom they have borrowed the use of the keyes p. 52. CHAP. 6. QVEST. 6. Whether Christ hath left the actuall government of his Church to the multitude of beleevers p. 63. CHAP. 7. QVEST. 7. If there be no true visible Church in the New Testament but only one Congregation meeting in one place and no Presbyteriall or representative Church as they call it p. 70. CHAP. 8. QVEST. 8. Whether or no our Saviour doth warrant and allow a Church of Elders and Overseers in these words Mat 18. Tell the Church p. 83 85. CHAP. 9. QVEST. 9. What members are necessarily required for the right and lawfull constitution of a true Politicke visible Church to the which we may joyn in Gods worship p. 92. CHAP. 10. QVEST. 10. Whether or no it be lawfull to separate from a true Church visible for the corruptions of Teachers and wickednesse of Pastors and professors where faith is begotten by the preaching of professed truth p. 120. CHAP. 11. QVEST. 11. Whether or no separation from a true Church because of the sinnes of the Professors and manifest defence of scandalous persons can be proved from Gods word to be lawfull p. 149. CHAP. 12. QVEST. 12. Whether or no some doe warrantably teach that Baptisme should be administrated onely to Infants borne of one at least of the nearest Parents knowne to be beleevers and who are to be admitted to the Lords Supper p. 164. CHAP. 13. QVEST. 13. Whether or no every particular Congregation and Church hath of it selfe independent power from Christ Jesus to exercise the whole power
is to prove the power of the keyes to be in the multitude But we are now disputeing about the power of the keyes in a Church ministeriall which is totum heterageneum where the whole giveth not a denomination to the part as every part of a man is not a man a Church made up of only believers is not Christs organicall body where there are eyes eares and hands and feet as is meaned Rom. 12. and 1 Cor. 12. for all are here an eye of believers and all of collaterall and equall authoritie neither is there here an eye or an hand in a ministeriall function above a foote But wee now dispute about the keyes of a ministeriall Church as Iunius saith made up of integrall parts of 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 and 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 of Shepheards and Sheepe V. Conclusion The office bearers of the Church have the power of the Keyes and their office immediately from Christ by the immediation of free gift they have their offices from the Church by the mediation of orderly designation seeing it is the Church which designeth such a man to such an office therefore it is said Eph. 4. 11. Hee gave some to be Apostles for the Church he saith not to the Church as if the faithfull by an innate and received power from Christ did ordaine by authoritie Ministers as their servants and Deputies for all the authoritie is Christs not the believers I grant what is given for the Church in some sense is said to be given to the Church as Chrysostome said The gift of baptisme is given to the whole Church but the power of baptising is not given to all the believers as to the subject This Conclusion I prove 1. That is not to be holden which is not written as our brethren hold So Best Travers Parker Ames M. Iacob so also Theodoret Cyrill Augustine Ambrose but it is neither expresly nor by good consequence in Scriptures no precept no promise where all the faithfull lay hands on men for the Ministerie as Titus Paul and the Presbyterie doe 1 Timothy 4. 14. or where all the faithfull doe binde and loose and receive witnesses judicially against Elders as Peter and Timothy have authority to doe 2. Argument If the word say that the power of the keyes is given to certaine select persons and not to all believers then is not this power given to all believers but the word saith the former er The Assumption is thus proved If these Offices that essentially include both the power and the exercise of the Keyes be given to some select persons and not to all the faithfull then are not the Keyes given to all the faithfull but the Lord gave the office of Apostles Prophets c. to some only And God hath set some in the Church then not all first Apostles secondarily Prophets thirdly Teachers c. And hee gave some to be Apostles not all and some Prophets c. Are all Apostles The major is proved because to be an Apostle a Pastor c. is to have a power given by Christ to use the keyes by preaching binding and loosing by censures as an Apostle Pastor c. This cannot be answered seeing there must be another power to binde and loose in Pastours and Elders than is in all believers women believing children and many believers unapt to governe 3 Argument To whomsoever Christ giveth the power of the Keyes to them he gave a ministeriall spirit by way of speciall ambassage to remit and to retaine sins as the Ambassadors of God in Christs stead and them he sent as the fathe● sent him as is cleare in the Scripture As the Father sent me so send I you c. He breat●ed on them and said receive the Holy Ghost whosoever sinnes ye remit they are remitted In which words our Divines Calvin Bullinger Musculus Beza yea and Papists Cajetan Toletus teach that Christ here did inaugurate his Disciples to preach and exercise the censures of the Church so also Cyrill Chrysostome Cyprian But this ministeriall spirit Christ gave not to all the faithfull but only to the Apostles for he sent not Mary Magdalene and Cleophas in this place as M. Smith saith and why because it is gathered from Luk. 24. 33 34 36. That Magdalene and Cleophas were there saith he when Christ said As my Father sent me so send I you Therefore Mary also and Cleopha● received a ministeriall power of the keyes all as well as 〈◊〉 Apostles I answer but this place is all one with Mat. 28. 18 19. where they are commanded to preach and baptize which is not lawfull to women 1 Cor. 14. 1 Tim. 2. And it is all one with the Commission Mark 16 14. which is restruted to the eleven Another weake ground he hath that the eleven were not made Apostles untill Christs Ascension Act. 2. when the spirit was sent and untill he led captivitie captive Ephes. 4. 11. but this power was given to all the Disciples before his ascension Answer a higher m●asure of the Spirit was powred on the Apostles at Christs Ascension and by vertue of his Ascension he ordained Apostles Eph. 4. 11. but will it follow none were made Apostles untill he ascended if this were good by vertue of his death wee obtaine forgivenesse of sinnes by his ascending to heaven we also ascend But hence it followeth not that there is no forgivenesse of sinnes while Christ die and that there is no ascending to heaven of the spirits of the Patriarchs and Fathers while Christ ascended 2. That the Apostles were called and received Apostleship from Christ in the dayes of his slesh before his death is cleare Matth. 10. 2 3. and that they went out and preached and cast out divels A second exception there is of some who say a concionall or preaching power of forgivnesse of sinnes is not given to all to whom a loosing from sins by Church censures is given as is cleare in our Ruling Elders who have not power to forgive sinnes by preaching yet have power to forgive binde and loose by Church-censures Answer We may distinguish where the law distinguisheth for howbeit the power of preaching be not given formally to ruleing Elders yet it is effectually in the fruit given to them in the judiciall and authoritative applicatio● in the externall court of Christs Church but believers as believers only have neither power to preach formally nor yet effectively to apply judicially the threatnings of the word in discipline to the judiciall correction of delinquents now the keyes in the word and the keyes in the discipline are the same keyes of Christs kingdome as Amesius observeth and the keyes of the word are the keyes of the kingdome committed to all either formally or effectively to whom the keyes of discipline are given but they are never given to
the Elders in things commanded by God and these may well stand together I answer If we speake of divers kindes of obedience it is true people is to obey the Pastours and Elders using the keyes here the sheepe obey the Shepheards and this is the obedience that Christ hath established in his house and the Elders as Archippus are to heare the flock admonishing no commanding as Watchmen Fathers Pastours by the power of the keyes that they would take heed to the ministerie which they have received of the Lord and this is but private admonition that one man one woman may give to their Pastours Now one man is not the Church bearing the keyes but this opinion maketh Archippus and all the faithfull at Colosse to beare the keyes and command by power of the keyes so that all are Fathers Pastours Pastours by one and the same power of the keyes His second answer is All are not rulers An incorporation may make a Major or Sheriffs and yet the incorporation is not a Major and Sheriffe So the Church may make Ministers and yet the Church it selfe is not properly an Elder or a Deacon Answer It is not alike An incorporation hath a priviledge but not any princely or magisteriall authoritie to create a Major but the Saints have the regall power of the keyes from Christ not only to make Elders but also to judge authoritatively with coequall power with the Elders by your doctrine if the whole inhabitants of a citie may make a Major and set themselves down in the Bench as collaterall Judges with the Major then all the inhabitants indeed were Majors as all the Saints in Corinth did judicially excommunicate why are they not then all Elders and Pastours Shew us any authoritie that Pastours have in governing which the meanest of the congregation hath not And this maketh all Ministers and all to be Watchmen Fathers Overseers This I take to have beene the errour of Tertullian who will have Christ to have left all Christians with alike power 8. Argument If there be a peculiar authoritie in Pastors over the flock that is not in the flock Then the keyes are not both in the Pastours and the people but the first is said in Scripture ergo The later must also be said I prove the Minor What will ye that I come to you with a rod or in love or in the Spirit of meeknesse also Therefore I write these things being absent lest being present I should use sharpnesse according to the power that the Lord hath given me to edification and not to destruction Hence it is that the Angels of the seven Churches in Asia are rebuked for not exerc●sing discipline against Iezabel and the holders of the Doctrine of Bal●m which proveth the Angels had the keyes els all alike had beene rebuked Now that every one of Corinth hath the power of Pauls Rod and his power given for edification is most ridiculous So Becanus the Jesuite Can every believer say to a Church Shall I come to you with the Rod Yet if all have the keyes as the subject all have the Rod also 9. Arg. That which Christ will have to be a ministeriall power in the members of his Church to the exercise therof Christ giveth competent and answerable gifts to the foresaid effect But God neither giveth nor hath promised nor requireth answerable gifts for using the keyes in all believers Therefore Christ willeth no ministeriall power of the keyes to be in all the members of the Church The proposition I prove 1. God promiseth gifts to the priesthood of the new Testament As 1. Diligence Esay 61. That strangers shall stand and feed their flocks 2. Zeale Esay 62. That they shall never give the Lord rest 3. That they shall be cloathed with salvation 2. When God sendeth Moses Isaiah Ieremiah he giveth them gifts and abilities for the calling So as the Treatist of Discipline observeth it is oft said The Spirit of the Lord came upon him and he judged Israel So also other places for this 3. They are condemned who take on them a calling and say Thus saith the Lord and yet the Lord sent them not neither spake he to them as in Isaiah Jeremiah and Ezekiel 4. Where the Lord giveth a calling or power such as the keyes of his Kingdome the not improving and putting the Lords Talent to the bank is a sinfull digging of the Lords Talent in the earth Hence I desire to know from Gods word these foure things 1. If the power of the keyes be given by Christ to all the faithfull this power is a ministeriall calling Where is there a promise for light prudence for government to goe out and in before the Lords people made to every one of the Lords people 2. Where is the tongue promised to them all in judgement that none shall resist and the consolations promised to them in the discharge of this power of the keyes 3. Where is the Spirit of the Lord comming upon them all and every one that they may judge the people 4. Where are the believers condemned for usurping the keyes and because being ignorant they cannot discharge that calling Where is the carelesse governing of all and every one of the faithfull rebuked in the word of God as a digging of the Lords talent in the earth I adde two things to confirme this 1. Our Divines disputing against the great Pope the Bishop of Rome and against the little Pope the Prelate his god-son and first born come out of the Popes loynes as Calvin Beza Iunius Zanchius Sadeel Pareus Vrsine Whitaker Reynold and Amesius Baines Parker Didoclavius c. They prove if such power of the keyes and plenitude of order and jurisdiction were in these two creatures the Pope and the Prelate the wisedome of Christ in his Word should have set downe the canons for the regulating of the power besides the canons that concerneth all other Bishops or Pastours for the heads or Monarchs dutie in the common wealth is carefully set downe in the word as what a man the King should be but the word hath no canons for the power of the keyes and the regulating of that power in all and every believer man and woman 2. If God set downe a Canon and requires abilities in the Church guides as Elders labou●ing in the word and doctrine and governing and in Deacons that he requireth not in all believers then the power of the keyes is not in the Church guides and in all believers also but the former is said 1 Tim. 3. for it is required in a Minister that his power of the keyes may be said to be of God that he should rule his owne house well else how should he 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 take care to governe the Church of God One may be a believer and yet this is not required of
when overseers will not by their authority remove a wolfe and a false teacher extremis morbis extrema remedia Hard diseases and desperate have need of desperate cures But it is an o●her case when in a constitute Church there is a government of Christ established for there are two things to bee considered here 1. A popular but withall a private substraction and separation from the Ministery of a knowne Wolfe and seducer and this the Law of nature will warrand than licet tutelâ inculpatâ uti as Parker saith from Saravia So the son may save himselfe by a just defence in ●leeing from his madde father or his distracted friend comming to kill him Now this defence is not an authoritative act nor act judiciall of authoritie but an act naturall that is common to any private person yea to all without the true Church as well as within to take that care in extreme necessity for the safety of their soules that they would doe for the safetie of their bodies 2. The question is whether the community of beleevers may doe this that is whether they by the power of the keyes given them by Jesus Christ may deprive and excommunicate the Pastor because the Law of Nature in some cases may warrant a private separation from a corrupt ministery 3. The case is not a like here as in a free Common-wealth for a free Common-Wealth containeth Ordines regni the estates that have nomotheticke power and they not only by the Law of Nature may use justa tutela a necessary defence of their life 's from a Tyrants fury but also by the Law of Nations may authoritatively represse and limite him as is proved by Iunius Brutus Bucherius Althusius H●nonius Therefore Henning Amisaeus do well distinguish betweene plebem 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 populum for indeed the multitude excluding the States or the base of the people can hardly have an other Law against a Tyrant then the Law of Nature but the Common-wealth including the estates of a free kingdome hath an authoritative So Isiodor Origen Aristotle Plato Tit. Livius Plutarch and that of the Councell of Basil Plus valet regnum quam rex the Kingdome is more worth than the King as Silvius citeth is approved by all but the multitude of sole beleevers have not the keyes at all and therefore they can doe no other thing but use a necessary defence of their soules And what Keckerman and Hottoman saith is not against us Also Gerson in name of the Parisians going to the Councell of Pisan saith a Councell may be gathered without the Pope without the guides of the Church two wayes Charitative when Charity reigneth 2. Authoritative when the case of the Churches ruine requireth that a Councell should bee and if the Pope and Pastors refuse to convene and the necessary defence of soules is the like here 7. No power is given to Pastors absolutely but to edification and so upon condition and therefore if the condition cease the power ceaseth But say yee It ceaseth What then it followeth not they should be deprived by the Church but by the Synod yea but you will say it followeth for the power is not given for the edification of the Synod and not for their destruction but for the edification of the Church and this destroyeth the Church Also Synods cannot alwayes bee had Answ. If the power bee abused wholly it ceaseth and the Pastor before God in foro interno hath losed his power If it bee abused in one or two acts it is not losed else a King doing against judgment and justice and a Pastor doing against pietie should leave off to be a King and Pastor which is hard to affirm 2. The power authoritative is given by the Presbytery for the edification of the Church principally and for the edifying of Synods and Elderships Secondarily but hence it followeth not that this power should bee taken away by the Church of sole beleevers Object Synods saith hee cannot bee had ordinarily Answ. So neither publike preaching at some times It followeth not therefore that publike preaching is not a meane of edifying because through accident and iniquitie of time the publike preaching cannot be had 8 Parker reasoneth from the stability of the Church Where there is more stabilitie there is more authority as our Divines reason proving the Pope to be inferiour to the Councell 1. A Church cannot be gathered in the name of Christ but there is the power of Christ 1 Cor. 5. 4. Matth. 18. But a Church may be and was constitute at first saith Saravia without El●ers and Pastors 2. The Church hath ecclesiasticke au●hority when the overseers are absent as in the reformed Churches or when by heresie they lose their authority the authority of the overseers dependeth on the Church but the authority of the Church dependeth not on the overseers 3. When the Pastor is dead the Church keepeth still her authoritie when the Pope is saith Bellarmine the keyes remaine in the Christs hands and he giveth them to the next Pope Behold fleeing keyes saith Morton Ans. A ministeriall Church is never gathered in Christs name while there be a ministerie unlesse you would say Peter is a man before he be a reasonable creature which is a contradiction some few beleevers may meete together but they cannot preach baptize censure while Christs power of the keyes bee given them except by an extraordinary power from I. C. 2. What if a Church of beleevers bee by order of nature before there be overseers Yet have they not the keyes while CHRIST call some of their number out to give them the Keyes for there was no power of the Keyes of the New Testament while Christ gave it to Iohn Baptist and called the twelve Disciples else their calling to bee Apostles should not bee a conferring on them the Keyes which is false for when Matth. 10. 1 5. they are sent out with power to preach he gave them the Keyes ●nd yet they were a Church of Disciples before and first called to faith and then to the Keyes and to the Apostleship 2. The Church of beleevers have no authority Ecclesiasticall nor power of the Keyes if all the Pastors on earth were removed from the Church by Death and in that case the Keyes should indeed bee only in Christs-hand and the case being extraordinary Christ behoved extraordinarily to supply the want of ordination which Timothy Titus and other Elders doth ordinarily give for the Church of beleevers could not give that which they have not and yet Bellarmines Keyes are ●leeing Keyes for he hath no cause to say when the Pope dieth The Keyes flee to Heaven for there are living many thousand Pastors and Elders who have the Keyes suppone the Pope died and never lived again 10. Parker reasoneth thus If Peter stand up Acts 2. in signe of reverence as standing is in Scripture
presbytery of Elders in it Act. 20. 17 36. Paul prayed with them all this is not said in the word but of a reasonable good number of persons Brightman under the name of an Angell he writeth to a colledge of Angels or Pastors Bullinger he writeth to many Pastors Didoclav proveth by good arguments against Downam his Angell-Prelate that he writeth to a colledge of Angels in every Church Augustine he speaketh to the Rulers so saith Gregor Magnus Primasius Beda Haymo Fulk Perkins Fox neither hath one single pastor the power of the keyes but at the second hand the beleivers have it as the prime ministeriall fountaine of all Church discipline and so they by our brethrens learning should have bin principally rebuked 2. Also Asia was of the Roman Empire and contained Phrygia Mysia Caria Lydi● Troas and Thessalonica and every one of these must be proved to be single congregations and suppose they were they have many pastors in them as Ephesus had they had power of discipline in all points that concerned themselves but in things common to all they had it not but in dependence and what howbeit Synods could not so conveniently be had under the persecuting Domitian no absurdity will follow discipline may be exercised without provinciall Synods 3. It is a weake ground Every candlesticke stood by is selfe and and held forth it 's owne light For the light of the Candlesticke is a preaching Pastor shining in light of holy Doctrine Wee dispute not about independency of preaching Ministers in the act of preaching but about independency of Churches in the acts of Church-discipline And so this is a weake ground I say for independent Churches yea neither is the Pastor in the act of Pastorall shining in sound Doctrine independent for our brethren teach that private persons by the power of the keyes ordaine him call him to office censure and depose and excommunicate him if nee● require and this is no small dependency 4. It is no lesse loose and weake to alleadge they are independent Churches because every Church is reproved for it's owne faults reproofe is a sort of censure What because the fornicator 1 Cor 5. is repr●ved for a sinne that is scarce named amongst the Gentiles yea and iudged worthy to be excommunicated shall it hence follow that the fornicator is no member dependent and in Ecclesiasticall subjection to the Church of Corinth So some of the Corinthians 1 Cor. 15. 12. are reproved for denying the resurrection for this was the fault of some and not of all But will it follow these some were no independent parts of the Church of Corinth but an independent Church by themselves The faults of remisse discipline may be laid upon a whole Nationall Church in some cases when it commeth to the notice of the Nationall Church that such a particular Church faileth in this and this point of discipline but we teach not that these seven Churches made up one Nationall Church yet this hindereth not but parts of an independent and subordinate Church may be rebuked for their faults and yet remaine dependent parts 5. They object If Christ bid an offending brother tell the particular Church whereof he is a member then that particular Church may excommunicate Mat. 18. 19. and so hath power within it selfe of the highest censures and is independent but the former is true Mat. 18. Ergo Vrsine say they Zuinglius Andrewes Kemnitius Aretius Pelargius Hunnius Vatablus Munster Beza Erasmus Whittaker c. expound this of a particular Congregation Answ. 1. We shall also expound this of a particular Church but not of such an one as hath but one Pastor neither doe these Divines meane any other Church then a Colledge of Pastors and Elders 2. Your owne Parker the learned Voetius and Edmundus Richerius and the Doctors of Paris cite this place to prove the lawfulnesse of Synods yea even hence they prove Peter and so the Pope is answerable to a generall Councell 3. When an Eldership of a particular Congregation is the obstinate brethren to be censured I desire our reverend brethren to shew in that case a ministeriall governing and censuring Church consisting onely of private persons out of office to whom the offending person shall complaine I appeale to the whole old and new Testament to all antiquity to all Divines writings the word Church in this notion See also G●rson 6. They object Every particular Church is the body of Christ his Spouse Wife and Kingdome and every one hath received faith of equall price 2 Pet. 1. 1. and consequently of equall power and right to the tree of Life and Word of God and the holy things the keyes of the Kingdome the promise and use of Christs power and presenc● Rom. 12. 4 8. Therefore there is not one Church above another So the Separatists Best Answ. 1. If this argument from an equall interest and right to Christ the promise life eternall stand good not only one Church shall not be over another but also Pastors and Elders cannot be over the flocke in the Lord nor have the charge of them nor watch for their soules The contrary whereof you shall reade 1 Cor. 12. 17 28 29. 1 Thes. 5. 12 13 14. Heb. 13. 17. Ephes. 4. 11. and the reason is good but truly better with Anabaptists then with men fearing God because Pastors and people King and Subject Doctor and Scholler being beleevers have all received like precious faith and right to the tree of Life c. for God is no accepter of persons 2. By this Argument three beleevers in an independent Congregation consisting of three hundred shall be no dependent part in Ecclesiasticall subjection to three hundred and every three of independent Churches shall be a Church independent and twenty independent Churches shall be in one independent Church because all the three hundred beleevers have received alike precious faith c 3. The consequence of the Argument is most weake for precious faith and claime and interest in Christ is not the ground why Christ giveth the keyes to some and not to others but the ground is the good pleasure of Gods will Christ gave not the keyes nor any Church-authority to Judas Demas and the like because of their precious faith but because he calleth to labour in his vineyard whom he pleaseth and whom he pleaseth he calleth not 7. They object Provinciall and Nationall Churches are humane formes brought in after the similitude of ●ivill governments amongst the Romanes and there is no Church properly so called but a Parish Church See D. Ammes Answ. 1. 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 The lifting up of the hands in voicing at the election of Elders Act. 14. 23. so taken from a civill forme of peoples giving their suffrages amongst the Lacedemonians as our brethren say Yet it is not for that unlawfull or an humane forme a Parishionall meeting of