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A91487 Severall speeches delivered at a conference concerning the power of Parliament, to proeeed [sic] against their King for misgovernment. In which is stated: I. That government by blood is not by law of nature, or divine, but only by humane and positive laws of every particular common-wealth, and may upon just causes be altered. II. The particular forme of monarchies and kingdomes, and the different laws whereby they are to be obtained, holden and governed ... III. The great reverence and respect due to kings, ... IV. The lawfulnesse of proceeding against princes: ... V. The coronation of princes, ... VI. What is due to onely succession by birth, and what interest or right an heire apparent hath to the crown, ... VII. How the next in succession by propinquity of blood, have often times been put back by the common-wealth, ... VIII. Divers other examples out of the states of France and England, for proofe that the next in blood are sometimes put back from succession, ... IX. What are the principall points which a common-wealth ought to respect in admitting or excluding their king, wherein is handled largely also of the diversity of religions, and other such causes. Parsons, Robert, 1546-1610, attributed name. 1648 (1648) Wing P573; Thomason E521_1; ESTC R203152 104,974 80

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had some hope to have her sonne Reigne after David upon a certaine promise that David in his youth had made unto her thereof as also she had in the speciall favour and friendship which Nathan the Prophet and Sadock the Priest who could do much with the ould King David did beare unto her sonne Solomon aboue all the rest of his Bretheren Hereupon I say these two that is to say Queene Bersabee and Nathan the Prophet comming together to the old man as he lay one his bed and putting him in mind of his promise and oath made to Bersabee for the preferment of her Son and shewing besides how that Adonias without his order and consent had gathered an Assembly to make himselfe King even that very day which did put the old King in very great feare and anger and further also telling him which pleased him wel quod oculi totius Israel in eum ●espicerent ut indicaret eis quis sederet in solio suo post ipsum 3. Reg. 1. that is that the eyes of all Israel were upon him to see whom he would commend unto them to sit in his seat after him which was as much to say as that the whole common-wealth referred it to his choise which of his Sonnes should reigne after him Vpon these reasons and perswasions I say the good ould King was content that they should take Solomon out of hand and put him upon the Kings owne mule and carry him about the streets of Ierusalem accompanied with his guard and court and crying with sound of Trumpets Vivat Rex Salomon 3. Reg 1. and that Sadock the Priest should anoint him and after that he should be brought back and placed in the royall Throne in the palace and so indeed he was at what time King David himselfe being not able through impotencie to rise out of his bed did him honour and reverence from the place where he lay for so saith the Scriptures Adoravit Rex in lectulo suo king David adored his Sonne Salomon thus Crowned even from his bed all which no doubt though it may seeme to have been wrought by humane meanes and policy yet must we confesse that it was principally by the speciall instinct of God himselfe as by the sequell and succes we see so that hereby also we are taught that these and like determinations of the people Majestrates and common wealths about admitting or refusing of Princes to Reigne or not to Reigne ever them when their designements are to good ands and for just respects and causes are allowed also by God and oftentimes are his owne speciall drifts and dispositions though they seeme to come from man Whereof no one thing can give a more evident proofe then that which ensued afterward to Prince Roboam the Lawfull Sonne and heire of this King Salamon who after his Fathers death comming to Sichem where all the People of Israel were gathered together for his Coronation and Admission according to his right by succession 3. Reg. 12. For untill that time we see he was not accounted true King though his Father was dead and this is to be noted the people began to purpose unto him certain conditions for taking away of some hard and heavy impositions laid upon them by Salomon his Father an evident president of the oath and conditions that Princes do swear unto in these dayes at their Coronation whereunto when Roboam refused to yeald ten Tribes of the twelve refused to admit him for their King 3. Reg 11. but chose rather one Ieroboam Robohams servant that was a meere stranger and but of poore parentage and made him there lawfull King and God allowed thereof as the Scripture in expresse words doth testifie and when Roboam that tooke himselfe to be openly Injured heereby would by armes have pursued his Title and had gathered together an Army of a hundred and foure-score thousand chosen souldiers as the scripture sayth 5 Rig. 12. and 21. to punish these rebells as he calle them and to reduce these 10. tribes to their due obedience of their naturall Prince God appeared unto one Semejah a holy man and bad him goe to the camp of Roboam and tell them plainly that he would not have them to fight against their Brethren that had chosen another King but that every man should goe home to his house and live quietly vnder the King which each party had and so they did and this was the end of that tumult which God for the sins of Salomon had permitted and allowed of And thus much by the way I thought good to touch on t of holy Scripture concerning the Iewish Common-Wealth even at the begining for that it may give light to all the rest which after I am to treate of for if God permitted and allowed this in his own Common wealth that was to he the example and patern of all others that should ensue no doubt but that he approveth also the same in other Realms when just occasions are offered either for his service the good of the people and Realm or else for punishment of the sinnes and wickednesse of some Princes that the ordinary line of succession be altered Now then to passe on further and to begin with the Kingdoms of Spayne supposing ever this ground of Gods Ordinance first I say that Spayne hath had 3. or 4. races or discents of Kings as France also and England have had and the first race was from the Gothe● which began their raigne in Spayne after the expulsion of the Romans about the year of Christ 416. Ambros Moral lib. 11. c. 12 to whom the Spaniard referreth all his old Nobility as the Frenchman doth to the German Franckes and the English to the Saxons which entred France and England in the very same age that the other did Spayne and the race of Gothish Kings indured by the space of 300. yeares untill Spayne was lost unto the Moores The second race is from Don Pelayo that was chosen first King of Asturias and of the Mountain Countrey of Spayne after the distruction thereof by the Moores about the year of Christ 717. Ambros Moral lib. 13. c. 2. which race continued and increased and added ●●●gdom unto Kingdom for the space of other 300 years until the year of Christ 1034. Moral lib. 13 c. 42 43 44. when Don Sancho Mayor King of Navarra got unto his power the Earldom also of Aragon and Castiliae and made them Kingdoms and divided them among his Children and to his second sonne named Don Fernando surnamed afterward the great he gave not only the said Earldom of Castilia with title of Kingdom but by marriage also of the sister of Don Dermudo King of Leon and Aust●rias he joyned all those Kingdoms together that day forward the 3 race of the Kings of Navair to reign in Castel and so indured for 500 years until the year of Christ 1540. when the house of Austira entred to reign there by mariage of the daughter heire Don Ferdinando
unto this King Sissinandus Ambros Maral l. 11. cap. 17. and speaketh infinite good in the same of the vertues of King Suintila that was now deposed and condemned in this said Councel whereby it is to be presumed that he had changed much his life afterward became so wicked a man as here is reported After this the Councel confirmeth the Title of Sissinandus and maketh decrees for the defence thereof but yet insinuateth what points he was bound unto and whereunto he had sworn when they said unto him To quoque p●●aesentem 〈◊〉 Ac juturos aelatum sequentium principes c. We do require you that are our present King and all other our Princes that shall follow hereafter with the humility which is convenient that you be meeke and moderate towards your Subjects and that you govern your people in justice and piety and that none of you do give sentence alone against any man in cause of life and death but with the consent of your publike Councell and with those that be Governours in matters of judgement And against all Kings that are to come we do promulgate this sentence that if any of them shall against the rever●nce of our Lawes exercise cruel authority with proud domination and Kingly Pompe only following their own concupiscence in wickednes that they are condemned by Christ with the sentence of excommunication and have their separation both from him and us to everlasting judgement But in the next two yeares after the end of this Councel King Sissinandus being now dead and one Chintilla made King in his place there were other two Councels gathered in Toled● the first whereof was but Provinciall and the second Nationall and they are named by the names of the fifth and sixt Councels of Toledo Ambros Moral l. 11. cap. 23. 24. In the which Councells according to the manner of the Gothes who being once converted from the Arrian haere●ie were very catholick and devout ever after and governed themselves most by their Clergy and not only matters of Religion were handled but also of State and of the Common Wealth Concil 5. cap. 2 3 4. 5. conc 6. cap. 16. 17 18. especially about the succession to the Crown safety of the Prince provision for his Children friends Officers and favorites after his death and against such as without election or approbation of the Common-Wealth did aspire to the same all these points I say were determined in these Councels and among other points a very s●vere decre● was made in the sixt Councel conc●rning the Kings Oath at his admission in these words Consonan une corde ore promulgamus Deo placituram sententiam Coucil Td. 6. c. 3. We do promulgate with one heart and mouth this sentence agreeable and pleasing unto God and do decree the same with the consent and deliberation of the Nobles and Peeres of this Realme that whosoever in time to come shall be advanced to the honor and preferment of this Kingdom he shall not be placed in the Royall Seat untill among other conditions he hath promised by the Sacrament of an Oath that he will suffer no man to break the Catholick Faith c. By which words especially among other conditions is made evident that those Princes sweare not only to keepe the Faith but also such other conditions of good Government as were touched before in the fourth Councel and these things were determined while their King Chintill● was present in Tolledo as Ambrosio Morales ●oteth Ambros Moral lib. 1. cap. 23. The distruction of Spayne Before the entrance of the Moores and before the dividing thereof into many Kingdoms which happened about ● hundreth yeares after this to wit in the year of our Saviour 713. and 714. But after the Moores had gayned all Spayne and divided it between them into divers Kingdoms Ambros Moral li. 13. c. 1. 2 de la Chron. de Esp● yet God provided that within foure or five yeares the Christians that were left and fled to the Mountaines of Asturias Biscay found a certain young Prince named Don Pelayo of the ancient blood of the Gotish Kings who was also fled thither and miraculously saved from the enemies whom they chose straight wayes to be their King and he began presently the recovery of Spayne and was called first King of Asturias and afterward of Leon and after his successors got to be Kings also of Castilia and then of Toledo and then of Aragon Barcelona Valentia Murcia Cartagena 〈◊〉 Cortuba Granado Siuil Portugall and Nauarra all which were different Kingdoms at that time so made by the Moores And all these Kingdoms were gained againe by little and little in more then 700. yeares space which were lost in lesse then two years and they never came again indeed into one Monarchy as they were under Don Rod●igo their last King that lost the whole untill the yeare of our Lord 158● when Don Philippe King of Spayne re-united again unto that Crown the Kingdom of Portugall which was the last peece that remayned seperated and this was almost 900. yeares after Spayne was first lost But now to our purpose the Chronicler of Spain named Ambrosio Morales doth record in his Chronicle a certain Law written in the Gotish-tongue left since the time of this Don Pelay● the first King after the universal distruction of Spain the title of the Law is this Como se an delevantar Reyen Espùa y como el ha de lurar los fueros Ambros Moral l. 13. c. 2. that is to say how men must make their King in Spain and now he must swear to the priviledges and liberties of that Nation then he putteth the Articles of the Law whereof the first saith thus before all things it is establish●d for a law liberty and priviledge of Spayne that the King is to be placed by voices and consent perpetually and this to the intent that no evill King may enter without consent of the people seeing they are to give to him that which with their blood and labours they have gained of the Moores Lucas Episcop Tuyens in histor Hispan Loudou de molin lib. de hered Thus far goeth this first article which is the more to be marked for that divers and those most ancient Spanish Authors do say that from this Don Pelayo the succession of Kings descended ever by propinquity of blood and yet we see that election was ioyned there withall in expresse termes The second part of the law containeth the manner of ceremonies used in those old dayes at the admission of their Kings which is expressed in these words let the King be chosen aud admitted in the Metropolitan City of this Kingdome or at least wise in some Cathedrall Church and the night before he is exalted let him watch all night in the Church and the next day let him here masse let him offer at Masse a peece of Scarlet and some of his own money and after let him communicate
the best as the Romans many yeares were governed by Consuls and Senatours and at this day the States of this countrey of Holland do imitate the same or else Monarchia which is the Regiment of one and this again either of an Emperour King Duke Earle or the like these particular Formes of Government I say are not determined by God or Nature as the other two points before for then they should be all one in all Nations as the other are seeing God and Nature are one to all but these particular Formes are left unto every Nation and countrey to chuse that Forme of Government which they shall like best and thinke most fit for the Natures and conditions of their People which Aristotle proveth throughout all the second and fourth Books of his Politiques very largely laying down divers kindes of Governments in his dayes as namely in Greece that of the Milesians Lacedemonians Candians and others and shewing the causes of their differences which he attributeth to the diversity of Mens Natures customes educations and other such causes that made them make choice of such or such Forme of Government And this might be proved also by infinite other Examples both of times past and present and in all Nations and countries both Christian and otherwise which have not had onely different fashions of Governments the one from the other but even among themselves at one time one Forme of Government And another at other times for the Romans first had Kings and after rejecting them for their evil Government they chose Consuls which were two Governours for every Year whose Authority yet they limited by a multitude of senatours which were of their counsel and these Mens power was restrained also by adding Tribunes of the People and sometimes Dictatours and finally they came to be governed last of all by Emperours The like might be said of Carthage in Africa and many Cities and Common-wealthes of Grece which in divers seasons and upon divers causes have taken different Formes of Government to themselves The like we see in Europe at this day for in onely Italie what different Formes of Government have you Naples hath a King for their Soveraigne Roma the Pope and under him one Senatour in place of so many as were wont to be in that Common-wealth Venice and Genua have Senatours and Dukes but little Authority have their Dukes Florence Farara Mantua Parma Vrbin and Savoy have their Dukes onely without Senatours and their power is absolute Milan was once a Kingdom but now a Dukedom the like is of Burgundy Lorain Bavire Gasconie and Britaine the lesser all which once had their distinct Kings and now have Dukes for their supreme Governours The like may be said of all Germany that many Yeares together had one King over all which now is divided into so many Duke ●omes Earldomes and other like Titles of Supreme Princes But the contrary is of Castile Aragon Portugal Barcelona and other Kingdomes this day in Spain which were first Earldomes onely and after Dukedomes and then Kingdomes and now again are all under one Monarchy The like is of Bohemie and Polonia which were but Dukedomes in old time and now are Kingdomes The like may be said of France also after the expulsion of the Romans which was first a Monarchy under Pharamond their first King and so continued for many Yeares under Clodion Meronys Childrik and Clodovaus their first christened Kings but after they divided it into four Kingdomes to wit one of Paris another of Suessons the third of Orleans and the fourth of Metts and so it continued for divers yeares but yet afterwards they made it one Monarchy again England also was first a Monarchy under the Britaines and then a Province under the Romans and after that divided into seven Kingdomes at once under the Saxons and now a Monarchy again under the English and all this by Gods permission and approbation who in token thereof suffered his own peculiar People also of Israel to be under divers manners of Governments in divers times as first under Patriarchs Abraham Isaac and Jacob then under Captaines as Moses Joshua and the like then under Judges as Othoniel Aiod and Gideon then under high Priests as Heli and Samuel then under Kings as Saul David and the rest and then under Captaines and high Priests again as Zorobabel Judas Machabeus and his Brethren untill the Government was lastly taken from them and they brought under the power of the Romans and forreigne Kings appointed by them So as of all this there can be no doubt but that the Common-wealth hath power to chuse their own fashion of Government as also to change the same upon reasonable causes as we see in all times and Countries and God no doubt approveth what the Realme determineth in this point for otherwise nothing could be certain for that of these changes doth depend all that hath succeeded In like manner is it evident that as the Common-wealth hath this Authority to chuse and change her Government so hath she also to limit the same with what Lawes and conditions she pleaseth whereof ensueth the great diversity of Authority and power which each one of the former Governments hath as for example the Consuls of Rome were but for one year other Officers and Magistrates were for more or lesse time as their Common-wealth did a lot them The Dukes of Venice at this day are for their lives except in certain cases wherein they may be deposed and those of Genua onely for two yeares and their power is very small and much limited and their Heires have no claime or pretence at all after them to that Dignity as the children and next of kin of other Dukes of Italy have though in different sort also for that the Dukedomes of Ferara Vrbin and Parma are limited onely to Heires male and for defect thereof to return to the Pope or Sea of Rome Florence and Mantua for like defects are to returne to the Empire and do not passe to the Heires female or to the next of kin as Savoy and some others do And now if we respect God and Nature as well might all these Governments follow one Law as so different for that neither God nor Nature prescribeth any of these particular Formes but concurreth with any that the Common-wealth it selfe appointeth and so it is to be believed that God and Nature concurred as well with Italy when it had but one Prince as now when it hath so many and the like with Germany and also with Swizerland which once was one Common-wealth onely under the Dukes and Marquesses of Austria and now are divided into thirteen Cantons or Common-wealths under popular Magistrates of their own as hath been said so as when Men talke of a natural Prince or natural Successour as many times I have heard the word used if it be understood of one that is borne in the same Realme or Countrey and so of our own natural Bloud it hath some