God declared against our selves in the manifold Evils already fallen upon us and in those which are further threatned as by your sacred Majesty was intimated to us even to the utter destruction and subversion of this Church and State all which our sins have justly deserved and being now by your Majestie 's gracious favour assembled in Parliament as the great Councel of this your Kingdome to consult on such means as we conceive fittest to redresse the present and prevent the future Evils wherein through Gods blessing we intend to imploy our utmost endeavours with as good hearts to your Majestie and the publick service as ever people did do in the first place humbly beseech your Majesty that by your speciall command one or more daies may be forthwith solemnly set apart wherein both our selves and this your Kingdome may by Fasting and Prayer seek a Reconciliation at the hands of almighty God and with humble and penitent hearts beseech him to remove those miseries that lie upon us and our neighbour Churches to avert those which are threatned to continue the favours which we yet enjoy and particularly to bestow his abundant blessing upon your Majesty and this present Parliament so that all our counsels and consultations being blessed with his divine assistance may produce much honour safety and happinesse to your Majesty your People and Allyes The Kings Propositions March 28. 1628. 1. TO furnish man and victuall 30. ships to guard the Narrow seas and along the Coasts 2. To set out 10. other ships for the preservation of the Elve and the Baltick sea 3. To set out 10. other ships for the relief of the Town of Rochel 4. To leavy arme cloth victuall pay and transport an army of 1000. horse and 10000. foot for forrain service 5. To pay and supply 6000. men for the assistance of the King of Denmark 6. To supply the stores of the Office of the Ordinance 7. To supply the stores of the Navy 8. To build 20. ships yearly for the increase of the Navy 9. To repair the Forts within the Land 10. To pay the Arriers of the Office of the Ordinance 11. To pay the Arriers of the Victuallers Office 12. To pay the Arriers of the Treasurer of the Navy 13. To pay the Arriers due for the fraight of divers Merchants ships imployed in his Majestie 's service 14. To provide a Magazine of Victualls for Land and Sea-service Three grand Questions 1. NO Free-man ought to be committed or detained in prison or otherwise restrained by the command of the King of the Privy Councel or any else unlesse some cause of the commitment detainment or restraint be expressed for which by law he ought to be committed detained or restrained 2. A Writ of habeas corpus may not be denyed but ought to be granted to every man that is committed or detained in prison or otherwise restrained though it be by the command of the King Privy Councel or any other he praying the same 3. If a Free-man be committed or detained in prison or otherwise restrained by the command of the King Privy Councel or any other unlesse the cause of the commitment detainment or restraint be expressed for which by Law he ought to be committed detained or restrained and the same be returned upon habeas corpus granted for the said party that then he ought to be delivered or bailed Sir John Coke his Speech at a Conference between the Lords and Commons about the Petition to the King against Recusants My Lords WE are sent to attend this Conference from the Knights Citizens and Burgesses of the House of Commons And first we acknowledge all due honour both unto the reverend Fathers of the Church and to you noble Lords in that ye have shined before us as worthy lights in the encouragement and maintainance of true Religion It is the true support of all your dignities and honours And this forwardnesse of yours is the more remarkable when that viperous generation as your Lordships justly stile them doe at â—ase with tooth and nail assay to rend the bowels of their Mother For give me leave to tell you what I know that they now both vaunt at home and write to their friends abroad they hope all will be well and doubt not to prevail and to win ground upon us And a little to awake the zeal and care of our learned and grave Fathers it is fit that they take notice of that Hierarchie which is already established in competition with their Lordships for they have a Bishop consecrated by the Pope this Bishop hath his subalternate Officers of all kinds as Vicars-generall Arch-deacons rurall Deans Apparatours and such like Neither are those nominall or titular Officers alone but they all execute their Jurisdictions and make their ordinary Visitations through the Kingdome keep Courts and determinâ— Ecclesiasticall causes and which is an argument of more consequence they keep ordinary intelligence by their Agents in Rome and hold correspondence with the Nuntioes and Cardinalls both at Bruxells and in France Neither are the Seculars alone grown to this height but the Regulars are more active and dangerous and have taken deep root they have already planted their Societies and Colledges of both Sexes they have setled Revenues Houses Libraries Vestments and all other necessary provisions to travell or stay at home nay even at this time they intend to hold a concurrent Assembly with this Parliament But now since his sacred Majesty hath extended his royall arm and since the Lords of his Councell have by their authority caused this nest of Wasps to be digged out of the earth and their Convocations to be scattered and since your Lordships joyn in courage and resolution at least to reduce this People to their lawfull restraint that they may doe no more hurt we conceive great hope and comfort that the almighty God will from henceforth prosper our endeavours both at home and abroad But now my Lords to come to the chief errand of this our meeting which is to make known to you the approbation of our House of that Petition to his Majesty wherein you were pleased to request our concurrence The House hath taken it into serious consideration and from the beginning to the end approve of every word and much commend your happy pen onely we are required to present unto you a few additions whereby we conceive the Petition may be made more agreable to the Statutes which are desired to be put in execution and to a former Petition granted by his Majesty recorded in both Houses confirmed under the Broad Seal of England and published in all the Courts of our ordinary Justice But these things we propound not as our Resolutions or as matters to raise debate or dispute but commend them only as our Advise and desire being ready notwithstanding to joyn with your Lordships in the Petition as now it is if your Lordships shall not find this reason to be of weight These additions were
breath of our nostrils and the light of our eyes and besides the many Comforts which under you and your Royall Progenitours in this frame of Government this Nation hath enjoyed the Religion we professe hath taught us whose Image you are And we do all most humbly declare to your Majestie that nothing is or can be more deare unto us then the sacred Rights and Prerogatives of your Crown no Person or Councell can be greater lovers of them nor more truly carefull to maintain them And the fundamentall Liberties which concern the freedome of our persons and propriety of our goods and estates are an essentiall meanes to establish the true glorie of a Monarch for rich and free Subjects as they are best governed so they are most able to do your Majestie service either in peace or warre which under God hath been the cause of the happie victories of this Nation beyond other Kingdomes of larger Territories and greater numbers of people What information soever contrarie to this shall be brought to your Majestie can come from no other then such as for their own ends under colour of advancing the Prerogative do in truth undermine and weaken Royall Power and by impoverishing the Subject render this Monarchie lesse glorious and the people lesse able to serve your Majestie Having by this which hath been said cleared our hearts and proceedings to your Majesty our trust is that in your Royall Judgement we shall be free from the least opinion of giving any unnâ—cessary stop to our procâ—eding in the matter of Supply and that your Majestie will be pleased to entertain belief of our alacritie and cheerfulnesse in your service and that hereafter no such misfortune shall befall us to be misunderstood by your Majestie in any thing We all most humblie beseech your Majestie to receive no information either in this or any other businesse from private relations but to weigh and judge of our proceedings by those resolutions of the House which shall be presented from our selves This rightly and graciously understood we are confident from the knowledge of your goodnesse and our own hearts that the ending of this Parliament shall be much more happy then the beginning and that it shall be stiled to all ages The Blessed Parliament which making perfect union betwixt the best people your Majestie may ever delight in calling us together and we in the Comforts of your Gracious Favour towards us In this hope I return to my first errand which will best appear by that which I shall humbly desire your Majesty to hear read being an humble Petition from the House of Commons for redresse of those many inconveniences and distractions that have befallen your Subjects by the billetting of Souldiers Your Royall Progenitours have ever held their Subjects hearts the best Garrison of this Kingdome And our humble suit to your Majesty is that our Faith and Loyalty may have such place in your Royall thoughts as to rest assured that all your Subjects will be ready to lay down their lives for the defence of your Sacred Person and this Kingdome Not going our selves into our Countreys this Easter we should think it a great happinesse to us and we know it would be a singular comfort and encouragement to them that sent us hither if we might but send them the newes of a gracious Answer from your Majesty in this particular which the reasons of the Petition we hope will move your most excellent Majesty graciously to vouchsafe us The King's Answer to the Petition concerning billetting of Souldiers 14 April 1628. M r Speaker and you Gentlemen WHen I sent you my last message I did not expect any Reply for I intended to hasten you not to find fault with you I told you at your first meeting that this time was not to be spent in words and I am sure it is lesse fit for disputes which if I had a desire to entertain M r Speaker's Preamble might give me ground enough The Question is not now what Libertie you have in disposing of matters handled in your House but rather what is fit to be done Therefore I hope you will follow my example in eschewing disputations and fall to your important businesse You make a protestation of your affections and zeal to my Prerogative grounded upon so good and just reasons that I must believe you But I look that you use me with the like charitie to believe what I have delivered more then once since your meeting which is That I am as forward as you for the preservation of your true Liberties yet let us not spend so much time in this that may hazzard both my Prerogative and your Liberties to our Enemies To be short go on speedily with your businesse without fear or more Apologies for time calls fast on you which will neither stay for me nor you Wherefore it is my dutie to presse you to hasten as knowing the necessity of it and yours to give credit to what I say as to him that sitteth at the Helme Sir Dudley Diggs his Introduction My Lords I Shall I hope auspiciously bâ—gin this Conference this day with an Observation out of Holy Story In the dayes of good King Iosiah when the Land was purged of Idolatry and the great men went about to repaire the House of God while money was sought for there was found a Book of the Law which had been neglected and afterwards being presented to the good King 2 Chro. cap. 34. 2 Kings cap. 22. procured the blessing which your Lordships may read of in the Scriptures My good Lords I am confident your Lordships will as cheerfully joyn with the Commons in acknowledgement of Gods great blessing in our good King Iosiah as the Knights Citizens and Burgesses of the Commons House by me their unworthy servant do thankfully remember your most religious and truly honourable invitation of them to the late Petition for clensing this Land from Popish Abominations which I may truly call a necessary and happy repairing of the House of God And to go on with the parallell while we the Commons out of our good affection were seeking for money we found I cannot say a book of the Law but many and those fundamentall points thereof neglected and broken which hath occasioned our desire of this Conference Wherein I am first commanded to shew unto your Lordships in generall that the Lawes of England are grounded on reason ancienter then bookes consisting much in unwritten Customes yet so full of Justice and true Equity that your most honourable Predecessours and Ancestours many times propugned them with a Nolumus Mutare and so ancient that from the Saxons daies notwithstanding the Injuries and Ruines of Time they have continued in most parts the same as may appear in old remaining Monuments of the Lawes of Ethelbert the first Christian King of Kent In Bibliotheca â—ottoniana Ina King of the West-Saxones offa of the Mercians and of Alfred the great Monarch who united
commitment by the command of the King were lawfull yet when he hath continued in prison by such reasonable time as may be thought fit for that offence for which he is committed he ought to be brought to answer and not to continue still in prison without being brought to answer For it appears by the Books of our Laws that liberty is a thing so favoured by the Law that the Law will not suffer the continuance of a man in prison for any longer time then of necessity it must and therefore the Law will neither suffer the party Sheriffs or judges to continue a man in prison by their power and their pleasure but doth speed the delivery of a man out of prison with as reasonable expedition as may be And upon this reason it is resolved in 1 2 El. Dyer 175. 8 E d. 4. 13. That howsoever the Law alloweth that there may be no term between the rest of an originall Writ and the return of the same where there is onely a summons and no imprisonment of the body yet it will not allow that there shall be a term between the rest of a Writ of Capias and the return of the same where the body of a man is to be imprisoned insomuch that it will give no way that the party shall have no power to continue the body of a man imprisoned any longer time then needs must 39 E. 3. 7. 10 H. 7. 11. 6 E. 4. 69. 11 E. 4. 9. 48 E. 3. 1. 17 E. 3. 1 2 Hen. 7. Kellawaies Reports do all agree that if a Capias shall be awarded against a man for the apprehending of his body and the Sheriffe will return the Capias that is awarded against the party a non est inventus or that languidus est in prisona yet the Law will allow the party against whom it is awarded for the avoiding of his corporall pennance and dures of imprisonment to appear gratis and for to answer For the Law will not allow the Sheriffe by his false return to keep one in prison longer then needs must 38 Ass. pl. 22. Brooks imprisonment 100. saith That it was determined in Parliament that a man is not to be detained in prison after he hath made tender of his fine for his imprisonment therefore I desire your Lordship that Sir Iohn Corbet may not be kept longer in durance but be discharged according to the Law The substance of the Objections made by Mr. Attorney General before a Committee of both Houses to the Argument that was made by the House of Commons at the first conference with the Lords out of Presidents of Record and Resolutions of Iudges in former times touching the Liberty of the person of every Freeman and the Answers and Replies then presently made by the House of Commons to these objections AFter the first conference which was desired by the Lords and had by a Committee of both houses in the painted Chamber touching the Reasons Laws Acts of Parliament and Presidents concerning the Liberty of the person of every Freeman M r Attorney General being heard before the Committee of both houses as it was assented by the house of Commons that he might be before they went up to the conference after some preamble made wherein he declined the answering all Reasons of 〈◊〉 and Acts of Parliament came onely to the Presidents used in the Argument before delivered and so endeavoured to weaken the strength of them that had been brought in behalf of the subjects to shew that some other were directly contrary to the Law comprehended in the Resolutions of the house of Commons touching the bailing of Prisoners returned upon the writ of Habeas Corpus to be committed by the special command of the King or the Councel without any cause shewed for which by Law they ought to be committed And the course which was taken it pleased the Committee of both houses to allow of was that M r. Attorney should make his Objections to every particuler President and that the Gentlemen appointed and trusted herein by the house of Commons by several Replies should satisfie the Lords touching the Objections made by him against or upon every particular as the order of the Presidents should lead them he began with the first 12. Presidents that were used by the house of Commons at the conference delivered by them to prove that Prisoners returned to stand so Committed were delivered upon bail by the Court of Kings Bench The first was that of Bildstones case in the 18. Edw. 3. Rot. 33. Rex To this he Objected First that in the return of him into the Court it did not appear that this Bildstone was committed by the Kings command and Secondly that in the Record it did appear also that he had been committed for suspicion of counterfaiting the great Seal and so by consequence was bailable by the Law in regard there appeared a Cause why he was committed in which case it was granted by him as indeed it was plain and agreed of all hands that the Prisoner is bailable though committed by Command of the King and he said that this part of the Record by which it appeared he had been committed for suspicion of treason was not observed to the Lords in the Argument before used and he said also to the Lords that there were three several kinds of Records by which the full truth of every award or bailing upon a Habeas Corpus is known First the remembrance Roll wherein the award is given Secondly the file of the writt and the return and Thirdly the Scruect or Scruet finium wherein the baile is entered and that onely the remembrance Roll of this Case was to be found and that if the other two of it were extant he doubted not but that it would appear also that upon the return it self the Cause of the Commitment had been expressed and so he concluded that this proved not for the house of Commons touching the Matter of bail where a Prisoner was committed by the Kings special command without Cause shewed To this Objection the reply was First that it was plain that Bildstone was committed by the Kings express Command For so the very words of the Writt are to the Constable of the Tower quod cum tenendum Custodiae facias c. then which nothing can more fully express a Commitment by the Kings command Secondly how ever it be true that in the latter part of the Record it doth appear that Bâ—â—stone had been Committed for suspicion of Treason yet if the times of the proceeding expressed in the Record were observed it would be plain that the Objection was of no force for this one ground both in this Case and all the rest is infallible and never to be doubted of in the Law Nota. That Justices of every Court adjudge of the force and strength of a return out of the body of it self onely and as therein it appears Now in Easter term in the
by the Lord Keeper ibid. S r Iohn Elliot's speech Iune 3. ibid. A Report from the Committee for trade Iune 4. pag. 201 His Majesties message to the House of Commons by the Speaker Iune 6. pag. 203 The Kings Speeches Iune 7 and the Petition of Right read and granted pag. 204 The motions of the lower House to the Higher ibid. Sir Thomas Wentworths speech pag. 205 The Kings message to the lower House by Sir Humphry May Iune 10. pag. 206 Eight particulars voted in the House of commons against the Duke of Buckingham Iune 11 ibid. The first Remonstrance of the House of Commons ibid. A Schedule of the shipping of this Kingdome which have been taken by the Enemy and lost at sea within the space of three yeares last past pag. 215 The Kings Answer to the Remonstrance Iune 17. p. 217 The Kings speech at the end of the Session Iune 26. ibid. The second Remonstrance pag. 218 A Letter which was found amongst some Jesuits that were lately taken at London and addressed to the Father Rector at Bruxills pag. 220 Motives to induce the Knights Citizens and Burgesses of the Commons house of Parliament to petition his Majesty for the revoking and abolishing of the degrees of Baronets lately erected by his Highnesses letters pattents pag. 224 The examination of Andrew le Brun Captain of the Mary of Rochell pag. 226 Articles against Melvin p. 227 A privie Seal for the transporting of horses Ianuary 30 tertio Caroli ibid. The Commission to the Lords and others of the Privy Councell concerning the present raising of Money pag. 228 Articles to be propounded to the Captains and Masters as well English as French touching the service in hand at Rochell May 4. 1628. p. 230 The Answer to the Articles propounded by the Lord generall and the rest of the Councell of warre pag. 231. A TABLE of the transactions of the second Session of the Parliament begun Ian. 20. 1628. M r Selden's report concerning the Petition of Right Ianuary 21 pag. 235 M r Pymms motion ibid. Sir Iohn Elliots reply ibid. M r Seldens speech concerning the Petition of Right p. 236 M r Norton the Kings Printer brought to the barre ibid. Sir Iohn Elliot ibid. Sir Robert Phillip's speech Ianuary 22. ibid. M r Littleton pag. 237 Sir Iohn Elliot ibid. M r Selden concerning the printing of the Petition of Right ibid. His Majesties message Ian. 23 24. pag. 238 M r Walter Ian. 26 ibid. M r Secretary Coke ibid. Sir Francis Beamor ibid. M r Kirton ibid. M r Sherland pag. â—39 Sir Nath. Rich Ian. 27 ibid. The Kings Message by Secretary Coke ibid. Sir Walter Earl pag. 240 M r Corrington ibid. M r Pymme ibid. Another Message from his Majesty Ianuary 28 deliver'd by Secretary Coke ibid. M r Long 's Reply pag. 241 Sir Thomas Edmonds ibid. M r Corrington ibid. Sir Iohn Elliot ibid. Secretary Coke's speech Feb. 3 pag. 242 Sir Iohn Elliot ibid. M r Speaker pag. 243 Secretary Coke ibid. Sir Hum. May ibid. Sir Iohn Elliot at the Committee for Religion ibid. A Bill that no Clergy man be in Commission for Peace Feb. 4 ibid. M r Selden pag. 244 A Petition against D r. Cosens ibid. Sir Eubal Thelwall ibid. M r Shervile ibid. M r Rouse ibid. M r Kirton ibid. Sir Robert Phillips pag. 245 Sir Edward Giles ibid. Sir Iames Perot ibid. M r Pymme ibid. Sir Robert Phillips ibid A Petition about an imposition upon mault Febr. 5 p. 246 M r Long ibid. M r Ogle ibid. Secretary Coke ibid. Sir Robert Phillips ibid. A Petition against Whittington a Papist Febr. 6. ibid. M r Shervile pag. 247 S r Nath. Rich ibid. S r O. Roberts upon an Affidavit against D r Cosens ibid. S r Iohn Elliot ibid. M r Kirton Febr. 7. ibid. S r Walter Earl ibid. S r Robert Phillips ibid. M r Selden pag. 249 S r Robert Phillips ibid. M r Pymme ibid. M r Shervile ibid. S r Iohn Stanhope ibid. S r Nath. Rich ibid. S r Iohn Elliot ibid. S r Daniel Norton pag. 250 S r Robert Phillips ibid. The Chancellor of the Dutchy ibid. S r Thomas Heale ibid. M r Valentine ibid. Transactions concerning Cosens Bishop Mountague c. Febr. 9. ibid. S r Robert Phillips February 10 pag. 251 M r Chancellor of the Dutchy pag. 252 M r Selden ibid. S r Francis Seymour ibid. M r Selden pag. 253 M r Kirton ibid. M r Littleton ibid. S r Benjamin Ruddier ibid. M r Selden Febr. 11 ibid. A Petition of the booksellers and printers at the Committee for Religion pag. 254 M r Shervile's Report concerning D r Sibthorpe Cosens and Manwaring ibid. Sir Walter Earl pag. 255 A Committee for tonnage and poundage Febr. 12 Shervile in the Chair ibid. S r Iohn Elliot ibid. A Petition against Burges a Priest Febr. 13 pag. 257 S r Iohn Elliot ibid. Sir Will. Bawstrod at a Committee for Religion ibid. Sir Richard Gravenor pag. 258 Secretary Coke ibid. A Complaint against the Lord Lambert Febr 14 pag. 259 M r Kirton ibid. S r Thomas Hobbie at a Committee for Religion pag. 260 M r Stroud at a Committee for Religion Febr. 16 p. 261 Another petition preferred by M r Chambers Febr. 17. p. 262 A publick Fast Febr. 18 p. 263 M r Dawes call'd in question for taking M r Rolls his goods Febr. 19 ibid. A petition of Complaint against the Lord deputy of Ireland Febr. 20 ibid. A petition by M r Symons in complaint of the Customers Febr. 21 pag. 264 The Committee for Merchants ibid. The protestation of the Commons in Parliament March 2 1628 Pag. 267 The Kings speech in the House of Parliament March 10. to dissolve it Pag. 268 His Majesties letter and queres concerning ship money and the answer thereunto The KINGS Speech 17. March 1627. My Lords and Gentlemen THese Times are for action wherefore for examples sake I meane not to spend much time in words expecting accordingly that your as I hope good resolutions will be speedy not spending time unnecessarily or that I may better say dangerously for tedious Consultations at this conjuncture of time are as hurtfull as ill Resolutions I am sure you now expect from me both to know the cause of your meeting and what to resolve on yet I think there is none here but knowes that common Danger is the cause of this Parliament and that Supply at this time is the chief end of it so that I need but point to you what to do I will use but few perswasions for if to maintaine your owne advises and as now the case stands by the following thereof the true Religion Lawes and Liberties of this State and the just defence of our true Friends and Allies be not sufficient then no eloquence of Men or Angels will prevaile Only let me remember you that my duty most of all and every one of yours according to his degree is to seek the maintenance of this Church and
will advise A note very remarkable It shewes the indulgence of Kings it shews also the wisdom and judgement of the Houses the King not willing to deny his People People not willing to presse their King to a deniall the one wise and modest in their requests and the other moderate and sweet in the answer This is the ancient and right way of union in Parliament The God of unity keep it in this and all insuing Parliaments This union you rightly call the union of Hearts and a greatnesse beyond the Kingdomes which the King inherits so then its a present fit for a wise people to offer to their gracious King Wise and magnanimous Kings are a speciall gift from God having hearts capable of greatnesse union of hearts is greatest and greatnesse was never unwelcome to Kings and therefore present and offer it to your King you cannot doubt of acceptance Having spoken of union you fall presently into a memoriall of the great and glorious actions of his Majestie 's Predecessours and into the height and contemplation of greater that remain If I mistake not your meaning you would have it understood that the union of Prince and people make way to those remarkable acts of former times and that we that wish the like successe in our time should look back upon our Forefathers Wisdome requires it Honour and the Time requires it that we should shew our selves the sonnes of our Auncestours at least in holding that which they left us The pride of Rome abated as you say by England now lifts up her horns against Religion Gods vine planted and deeply rooted here overspread into our neighbour Countreys hath of late lost many of her goodly branches The Austrian Eagle that wanted feathers till of late now soares and preys at will over all Spain so often foiled by us hath by disguised treaties dispoiled of their patrimonie those princely Branches of our royall Cedar and posts apace to his universall Monarchy to the ruine of us our Friends and Religion God hath his time and I trust a time to stop their course I know not but we may expect it as well now as ever There is a resolution in our King and there is I trust for I am sure there was a resolution in our Parliament for great actions Our king as he hath a Solomon so hath he many Davids in the glorious catalogue of his royall Descent and hath linked himself in the House of Henry the Great and he bears a glorious and auspicious name sutable to his thoughts and desires and therefore since Honour and Religion call for it and since you have incouraged him to fight Iehovah's battels let all put to their hands that our King and Nation may have the honour to set Christendome in her right Balance And now to come to the petitions you have made for the House his Majestie most graciously and readily grants them all according to your true and ancient Rights and Priviledges of Parliament which his Majestie trusts you will have care not to exceed or transgresse and therefore you may go chearfully together and speedily settle about the publick affairs And the almighty God prosper the works of your hands I say the almighty God prosper your handy-work M r. Goodwin's Speech March 22. 1627. Mr. Speaker IT hath pleased his Majestie in his last Speech to intimate unto us the cause of our meeting which is supply against the great and common dangers that threaten the ruine of this Kingdome and the time of our sitting cannot be long and therefore he wisheth to avoid tedious resolutions In conformity whereunto I propound that laying aside all other matters we addresse our selves to that for which we were called hither wherein as in the first place we have well begun in our pious humiliation towards almighty God so let us now proceed to serve and to supply the king yet so as we satisfie our Countrey that sent us hither and preserve our Rights and Priviledges which have as surely been broken and infringed as undoubtedly they belong â—o us S r. Francis Seymour's Speech March 22. 1627. THis is the great Councel of the Kingdome and here if not here alone his Majestie may see as in a true glasse the state of the Kingdome We are all called hither by his Majestie 's writs to give him faithfull counsel such as may stand with his honour but that we must do without flatterie and chosen by the Commons to deliver up their just grievances and this we must do without fear Let us not be like Cambyses Judges who being demanded of him concerning something unlawfull said Though there were no written Law the Persian Kings might do what they liâ—t This was base flatterie fitter for reproof then imitation and as flatterie so fear taketh away the judgement For mine own part I shall shun both these and speak my conscience with as much duty to his Majestie as any man not neglecting the Publick But how can we speak our affections while we retein our fears or speak of giving till we know whether we have any thing to give or not For if his Majestie shall be perswaded to take what he will what need we to give That this hath been done appeareth by the billetting of Souldiers a thing no way advantageous to his service and a burthen to the Common-wealth the imprisonment of Gentlemen for the Loane who if they had done the contrary for fear their faults had been as great as theirs who were Projectours in it To countenance these proceedings hath it not been preached in the pulpit or rather praâ—ed All we have is the Kings But when they forsake their own calling and turn ignorant States-men we see how willing they will be to change a good conscience for a Bishoprick It is too apparent the people suffer more now then ever will you know the true reason we shall find those Princes have been in greatest wants and necessities that have exacted most from their Subjects The reason is plain A Prince is strongest by faithful and wise Counsel I would I could truly say such had been imployed abroad I speak this to this end to shew the defect proceeded not from this House I must confesse he is no good Subject that would not willingly and freely lay down his life when the End may be the service of his Majestie and the good of the Common-wealth But he is no good Subject but a slave that will have his goods taken from him against his will and his Liberty against the Laws of the Kingdome In doing this we shall but â—read the steps of our Fore-fathers who still preferred the publick interest before their own rights nay before their own lives It will be a wrong to Us to our Posterities to our Consciences if we shall forgo this This we shall do well to present to his Majestie I offer this in the generall thinking the particulars fitting for Committees What I may now say or shall then I submit
grand Councell and that they there find suretie to pursue their suggestions and incurre the same paine that the other should have had if he were attainted in case that their suggestions be found evil and that then processe of the Law be made against them without being taken and imprisoned against the forme of the said Charter and other Statutes Here the Law of the Land in the grand Charter is explained to be without processe of the Law 42. E. 3. ca. 3. At the request of the Commons by their Petitions put forth in this Parliament to eschew mischiefs and damage done to divers of his Commons by false accusers which oftentimes have made their accusation more for revenge and singular benefit then for the profit of the King or of his people which accused persons some have been taken and sometimes caused to come before the Kings Councell by writ and otherwise upoâ— grievous paine against the Law It is assented and accorded for the good governance of the Commons that no man be put to answer without presentment before Justices or matter of Record or by due processe or writ originall according to the old Law of the Land And if any thing henceforth be done to the contrary it shall be void in Law and holden for errour But this is better in the Parliament Roll where the Petition and Answer which make the Act are set down at large 42. E. 3. Rot. Parliament num 12. The Petition Because that many of the Commons are hurt and destroyed by false accusers who make their accusations more for their revenge and particular gaine then for the profit of the King or his people and those that are accused by them some have been taken and others have been made to come before the Kings Councell by writ or other Commandment of the King upon grievous paines contrary to the Law That it would please our Lord the King and his good Councell for the just government of his people to ordain that if hereafter any accuser propose any matter for the profit of the King that the same matter be sent to the Justices of the one Bench or the other or the affaires to be enquired and determined according to the Law And if it concern the accuser or partie that he take his suit at the Common Law and that no man be put to answer without presentment before Justices or matter of Record and by due processe originall writ according to the ancient Law of the Land And if any thing henceforward be done to the contrarie that it be void in Law and held for errour Here by due processe and originall writ according to the Law of the Land is meant the same thing as per legem terrae in Magna Charta and the abuse was they were put to answer by the commandment of the King The Kings Answer is thus Because that this article is an article of the Grand Charter the King wills that this be done as the Petition doth demand By this it appeareth that per legem terrae in Magna Charta is meant by due processe of the Law Thus your Lordships have heard Acts of Parliament in the point But the Statute of Westm. the 1. ca. 15. is urged to disprove this opinion where it is expresly said That a man is not replevisable who is committed by the command of the King without any cause shewn which is therefore sufficient to commit a man to prison And because the strength of the Argument may appeares and the answer be better understood I shall read the words of the Statute which is thus And for as much as Sheriffs and others have taken and kept in prison such as were replevisable and have let out by plevin such as were not replevisable because they would gaine of the one partie and grieve the other And forasmuch as before this time it was not certainly determined what persons were replevisable and what not but only those that were taken for the death of a man or by Commandment of the King or of his Justices or for the Forrest It is provided and by the King commanded that such prisoners as were before outlawed and they which have abjured the Realme Provors and such as be taken with the manner and those which have broken the Kings prison Thieves openly defamed and known and such as be appealed by Provors so long as the Provor be living if they be not of good name and such as be taken for burning of houses felloniously done or for false money or for counterfeiting the Kings Seal or persons excommunicated taken at the request of the Bishops or for manifest offences or for Treason touching the King himself shall be in no case replevisable by the common writ or without writ But such as be indicted of larceny by inquests taken before Sheriffs or Bailiffs by their office or for light suspicion or for petty-larceny that amounteth not to above the value of 12 pence if they were not guilty of some other larceny aforetime or guilty of receipt of fellons or of commandment or force or of aid in felony done or guilty of some other trespasse for which one ought not to loose life or member and a man appealed by a Provor after the death of a Provor if he be no common thief or defamed shall from henceforth be let out by sufficient suretie whereof the Sheriff will be answerable and that without giving ought of their goods And if the Sheriff or any other let any go at large by suretie that is not replevisable if he be Sheriff or Constable or any Bailiffe of fee which hath keeping of prisoners and thereof be attainted he shall loose his â—ee and office for ever And if the under-Sheriff Constable or Bailiffe of such as have fee for keeping of prisons do it contrarie to the will of his Lord or any other Bailiffe being not of fee they shall have three yeares imprisonment and make Fine at the Kings pleasure And if any hold prisoners replevisable after they have offered sufficient sureties he shall pay a grievous amercement to the King And if he take any reward for the deliverance of such he shall pay double to the prisoner and also shall pay a grievous amercement to the King The Answer It must be acknowledged that a man taken by the Commandment of the King is not replevisable for so are the expresse words of this Statute But this maketh nothing against the Declaration of the House of Commons for they say not that the Sheriff may replevy such a man by sureties scilicet Manucaptores but that he is bailable by the Kings Court of Justice For the better understanding whereof it is to be known that there is a difference betwixt replevisable which is alwayes by the Sheriff upon on pledges or sureties given and bailable which is by Court of Record where the prisoner is delivered to his Baile and they are his Gaolers and may imprison him and shall suffer for him bodie
one Traditur in ballium and the Baile are his Gaolers and may imprison him and shall suffer bodie for bodie which is not true of replevying by sureties And Baile differeth from Mainprize in this that Mainprize is an undertaking in a summe certain Bailing is to answer the condemnation in Civil causes and in Criminall body for body The reasons and authorities used in the first Conference were then renewed and no exception taken to any save in 22. H. 6. it doth not appear that the Command of the King was by his mouth which must be intended or by his Councell which is all one as is observed by Stamford for the words are these That a man is not replevisable by the Sheriff who is committed by the Writ or Commandment of the King 21. E. 1. rot 2. dorso was cited by the Kings Counsell But it was answered that it concerned the Sheriff of Leicester only and not the power of the Judges 33. H. 6. the Kings Attorney confesseth was nothing to the purpose and yet that Book hath been usually cited by those that maintain the contrary to the Declaration of the House of Commons And therefore such sudden opinion as hath been given thereupon is not to be regarded the foundation failing And where it was said that the French of 36. E 3. Rot. Parliament 9. which can receive no answer did not warrant what was inferred thence but that these words Sans disturbance mettre ou arrest faire et le contre par special commandment ou en autre maniere must be understood that the Statutes should be put in execution without putting disturbance or making arrest to the contrarie by speciall command or in other manner The Commons did utterly deny the interpretation given by the Kings Counsell and to justifie their own did appeal to all men that understood French and upon the 7 Statutes did conclude That their Declaration remained in undoubted truth not controlled by any thing said to the contrary The true Copies of the Records not printed which were used on either side of that part of the debate INter Recorda domini Regis Caroli in Thesauro Recepto Scacarii sui sub custodia domini Thesaurarii et Camerarii ibidem remanentia viz. placita coram ipso Domino Rege Concilio suo ad Parliament suum post Pascham apud London in Manerio Archipiscopi Ebor Anno Regni Domini Regis Edw. vicessimo primo inter alia sic continetur ut sequitur Rot. secundo in Dorso Vic. Leic. sci Stephanus Rubaz Vic. Leic. War coram ipso Domino Rege ejus concilio arianatus ad Levem positus de hoc quod cum Io. Botetourte Edel Hatche W. Hemelin nuper in ballium ipsius vice com per Dominum Regem fuissent assignati and Goalas Domini Regis deliberandum eidem vic quendam W. de Petling per quâ—ndam Appellatorem ante adventum eorundam Justic. ibidem appellatum captum vivente ipso appellatore usque diem deliberationis coram eis facte demisit per plevinam contra formam statuti c. Et etiam quendam Radulphum de Cokehall qui de morte hominis indictatus fuit per eundem vicecom captus Idem vicecomes per plevinam dimisit contra formam statuti etiam eundem Radulphum â—ine ferris coram eisdem Justitiariis ad deliberationem predictam produxit contra consuetudinem Regni simile quendam Will. filium Walteri le Persone qui per preceptum Com. War captus fuit dimisit per plevinam contra voluntatem preceptum Domini Regis Cum idem Dominus Rex sub Litteras suas sub privato â—igillo suo eidem vic praecepit quod nulli per praeceptum praedicti Com. Warr. capt aliquam gratiam faciat c. Et super hoc praefatus Iohannes Botetourt qui presens est qui fuit primus Justic. predicorum premissa recordatur Et praedictus vicecomes dicit quo ad praedictum Will. de Petlings quod ipse nunquam à tempore captionis ipsius Will. per praedictum appellatorem demissus fuit per plevinam aliquam ante adventum praedictorum Justitiariorum Imo dicit quod per dimidium anni ante adventum eorum Justic. captus fuit semper detentus in prisona absque plevina aliqua quousque coram eisdem damnatus fuit quo ad praedictum Radulphum bene cognoscit quod ipse dimisit eum per plevinam hoc benefacere potuit ratione authoritate officii sui eo quod captus fuit pro quodam simplici transgressione non pro aliqua felonia pro qua replegiari non potuit quo ad tertium viz. Will. filium Persone bene cognoscit quod ipse captus fuit per praeceptum praedicti Com. Warr. quod dimisit eum per plevinam sed dicit quod hoc fecit ad rogatum quorundam de hospitio curia Domini Regis c. qui eum inde specialiter rogaverunt per literas suas super hoc idem Vic. quaesitus per Dominum Regem quis eum rogavit literas suas ei direxit ubi litera ille sunt dicit quod Walterius de langton eum per literas suas inde rogavit sed dicit quod breve ille sunt in partibus suis Leic. super hoc idem Vic. profert quoddam breve Domini Regis de Privato Sigillo eidem vicecomiti directum quod testatur quod dominus Rex ipsi vicecomiti praecepit quod omnes illos transgressiones contra pacem de quibus Com. Warr. ei scire facerit caperet salvo custodierit absque aliqua gratia eis faciend quia praedictus Justitiar expresse recordatur quod ipse socii sui per bonu Legal inquisitionem de militibus aliis hominibus coram eis fact invenerunt quod predictus Willielmus de Petlings demissus fuit per plevinam per magnum tempus ante adventum corundam per vicecomite praedicto etiam quia predictus vic cognoscit quod praedictus Radulphus demissus fuit per plevinam per ipsum vic hoc dicit quod benefacere potuit eo quod captus fuit pro levi Transgressione per Record ejusdem Justitiarium compertum est quod captus fuit pro morte hominis quod est contrarium dicto praedict vic similiter quod idem vic cognovit quod recepit literam Domini Regis per quam Rex ei praecepit quod nullam gratiam fecerit illis quae capti fuerunt per praeceptum praedicti Comitatis eidem vic contra praeceptum illud dimissit praedictum Will. filium Walteri per plevinam qui captus fuit per praeceptum praedicti Comitatis prout idem vic fatetur sic tum ratione istiâ—s transgressione quam aliorum praedictorum incidit in poenam statuti Const. est quod praedictus vic committitur prisonae juxta formam statuti c. Ex Rotulo Parliament de Anno
by the errour of the Clark for want perhaps of distinction in his understanding of the Marshall of the Kings Bench from the Marshall of the Houshold The sixth of these is Thomas Cesar's Case It is in the 8. Iacobi Regis Rot. 99. This Cesar was committed to the Marshalsey of the Houshold per mandatum Domini Regis and returned to be therefore detained and indeed a remittitur is in the Roll but not a remittitur quousque but only that kind of remittitur which is used only whiles the Court adviseth And in truth this is so farre from proving any thing against the Resolution of the House of Commons that it appeares that the opinion of the reverend Judges of that time was That the Return was insufficient and that if it were not amended the Prisoner should be discharged For in the Book of Rules of that Court of Mich. Terme when Cesars Case was in question they did expresly order that if the Steward and Marshall did not amend their Return the Prisoner should be absolutely discharged The words of the Rule are Nisi Scenescalâ—us Marescallus hospitii Domini Regis sufficienter returnaverint breve de habeas Corpus Tho. Cesar die Mercurii proxim post quindenam Sancti Martini defendens exonerabitur And this is all the force of that President but yet there hath been an interpretation used upon this Rule It hath been said that the Judges gave this Rule because the truth was that the Return was false and that it was well known that the Prisoner was committed not by the immediate Command of the King but by the command of the Lord Chamberlain and thence as it was said they made this Rule But this kind of interpretation is the first that ever supposed that Judges should take any notice of the truth or falshood of any Return otherwise then the body of the Return could inform them And the rule it self speakes plainly of the sufficiency only and not of the truth or falshood of it The seventh of these is the Case of Iames Demetrius Edward Emerson and some others that were Brewers and were committed to the Marshalsey of the Houshold per mandatum Domini Regis and so returned upon habeas Corpus And it is true that the Roll shewes they were remanded but the remanding was only upon advisement And indeed the grave and upright Judges of that time were so carefull least upon the entring of the remanding any such mistake might be as might perhaps mislead posterity in so great a point that they would have expresly the word immediate added to remittitur that so all men that should meet with the Roll might see that it was done for the present only and not upon any debate of the question And besides there is no quousque to it which is usually added when the highest award upon debate or resolution of this kind is given by them The eighth of these is the Case of S r Samuel Saltonstall It is Hill 12. Iacob He was committed to the Fleet per mandatum Domini Regis and besides by the Court of Chauncery for disobeying an order of that Court and is returned upon his habeas Corpus to be therefore detained And it is true that a remittitur is entred in the Roll but it is only a remittitur prisonae predict without quousque secundum legem deliberatus fuerit And in truth it appeares in the Record that the Court gave the Warden of the Fleet 3 severall dayes at severall times to amend his Return and in the interim remittitur prisonae predict still Certainly if the Court had thought that the Return had been good they would not have given so many severall dayes to have amended it For if that mandatum Domini Regis had been sufficient in the Case why needed it to have been amended The ninth and last of these is Trinit 13. Iacob Rot. 71. the Case of the said S r Samuel Saltonstall He is returned by the Warden of the Fleet as in the Case before and generally remittitur as in the Roll which proves nothing at all that therefore the Court thought he might not by Law be enlarged and besides in both Cases he stood committed also for disobeying an order in Chauncery These are all that have been pretended to the contrary in this great point and upon the view of them thus opened to your Lordships it is plain that there is not one not so much as one at all that proveth any such thing as that persons committed by the Command of the King or of the Lords of the Councell without cause shewed might not be enlarged but indeed the most of them expresly prove rather the contrary Now my Lords having thus gone through the Presidents of Record that concern this point of either side before I come to the other kind of Presidents which are the solemn resolution of Judges in former times I shall as I am commanded by the House of Commons represent unto your Lordships somewhat else that they have thought very considerable with which they have met while they were in a most carefull enquirie of whatsoever concerned them in this great Question It is my Lords a draught of an Entry of a Judgement in that great Case lately adjudged in the Court of Kings Bench when divers Gentlemen imprisoned per speciale mandat Domini Regis were by the Award and Judgement of the Court after solemn debate sent back to Prison because it was expresly said that they could not in Justice deliver them though they prayed to be bailed The case is famous and well known to your Lordships therefore I need not further mention it And as yet indeed there is no Judgement entred upon the Roll but there is room enough for any kind of Judgement to be entred But my Lords there is a form of a Judgement a most unusuall one such a one as never was in any such Case before used for indeed there was never before any Case so adjudged and this drawn up by a chief Clark of that Court by direction of M r Attorney Generall as the House was informed by the Clark in which the reason of the Judgement and the remanding of those Gentlemen is expressed in such sort as if it should be declared upon Record for ever that the Law were that no man could be enlarged from imprisonment that stood committed by any such absolute command The draught is only in S r Iohn Henningham's Case being one of the Gentlemen that was remanded and it was made for a form for all the rest The words of it are after the usuall Entrie of a Curia advisur vult for a time that visis return predict nec non diversis antiquis Recordis in Curia hic remanent consimiles casus concernentibus maturaque deliber atione inde prius habita eo quod nulla specialis causa captionis sive detentionis predict Johannis exprimitur sed gener aliter quod detentus est in prisona predict
Freeman relaxavit securitatem pacis versus eundem Thoman Yow dictusque Robertus Carvell recognovit se fore satisfact de debitis Ac Iohannes Hubbard General Attorn Domini Regis nomine ipsius Regis relaxavit mandatum Domini Regis Et pro suspicione seloniae praedict traditur in ballium Simon Little de London Taylor et Iohannem Ash de London Skinner usque octab Michaelis ubicunque c. ad quem diem comparuit Et Robertus Throgmorton miles unius custod pacis praedict committitur warrant retorn quod nul indicaverit de aliquibus feloniis sive transgressionibus versus praefatum Thomam Yow coram eo sociis suis direct per sacramentum 12 proborum legalium hominum de visu de Coventrey praedict de gestu fama praedict Thom. diligent inquisitione fecerunt nihil de co praeter bonum coram eo sociis suis est compertum sed est de bono gestu fama Ideo concessum quod praedictus Thomas Yow eat sine die c. Sine die Anno 9. H. 7. et per scruet ejusdem Rot. 13. Humfridus Botche nuper de Canterbrigg in comitatu Cantabrgiensis Scholar per Robertum Willoughby Dom. Brook mil. Senescal hospitii Domini Regis ac Iohannem Digby mil. Marescall cur Maresc hospitii praedict virtute brevis Domini Regis de Habeas Corpus ad sectam ipsius Regis ad standum recte c. ad sectam pacis ut legatur eis inde direct coram Rege duct cum causa viz. Quod idem Humfridus Botche commissus fuit gaol Marrescalli hospitii praedict per mandatum Domini Regis Et haec est causa non alia quod idem Humfridus in prisona praedicta detinetur Qui committitur postea Pasche sequen Dominus Rex relaxavit mandatum suum Capital Justitiar per Thomam Lovell mil. ostensus et pro ult praed tenetur praedict alibi c. Marr. ball De Termino sancti Trinitatis anno 39. Elizabethae Reginae per com to ejusdem 118. le Gatehouse Lawrentius Brâ—om per Hugonem Parlor custod prisonae Dominae Reginae de le Gatehouse virtute brevis Dominae Reginae de habeas Corpus ad subjiciendum ei inde direct c. coram Domina Regina apud Westm. duct cum causa viz. quod praedictus Lawrentius Broom in arcta custodia sua remansit per mandatum Dominorum de Concilio Sereniâ—â—imae Dominae Reginae pro certis causis eos moventibus Qui committitur Marr. postea isto eodem Termino traditus fuit in ballium prout patet per scruet finium istius Termini Marr. â—all Per scruet finium Termini praedicti anno 39. Eliz. Reginae Essex Lawrentius Broom de parva Bradowe in comitatu praedict husbandman traditur in ballium ad subjiciendum c. per mandatum privati Concilii Dominae Reginae super habeas Corpus Radulpho Mayall de Hatfield Penell praedict Henr. Vndall de eadem gener Willielmo Ecclesden de Westm. Bricklayer Richardo Morgan de Westm. Labourer uterque pleg sub poena 40 l. sub poena 100 l. Marr. pro suspitione proditionis cum Iohanne Smith mil. Usque octab Michaelis De Termino sancti Michaelis anno 40 Elizabethae Reginae et per com ro ejusdem rot 37. Midd. sci Thomas Wenden per Hugonem Parlor generos custod prisonae Dominae Reginae de le Gatehouse virtute brevis Dominae Reginae de habeas Corpus ad subjiciendum c. ei inde direct coram Domina Regina apud Westm. duct cum causa viz. Quod 18. die Junii anno Regni Dominae Elizabethae nunc Reginae Angliae 38. Corpus infra nominati Thâ— Wenden extra curiaÌ„ ejusdem Dominae Reginae Angliae coram ipsa Dom. Concilio suo in Camera stellata prisonae Dominae Reginae de le Gate-house sub custodia sua pro certis causis eisdem Dominae Reginae concilio suo moventibus ei ignotis commissus fuit salvo custodiend donec aliud inde habuerit praecept Et haec est causa detentionis praedict Thomae in prisona praedict Qui committitur Marr. c. Et postea isto eodem Termino traditur in ballium prout patet per scruet finium istius Termini Marr. ball Per scruet finium de Termino sancti Michaelis anno 39. 40. Elizabethae Reginae Thom. Wenden de Aldham in comitatu Essex Yeoman traditur in ballium super habeas Corpus ad subjiciendum recipiendum Mar. Iohannes Wenden de Colmewalâ—â—e in comitatu praedict yeoman Will. Beriffe de Aldham praedict in comitatu praedict gen Radulpho Northen de Aldham in comitatu praedict yeoman quilibet praedict sub poena 200. Marcis pars sub poena 200 l. Usque octab Hillar Idem Thom Wenden traditus fuit in ballium per consens Dominorum privati Concilii per Relationem Attorn Dominae Reginae general sub R. capt sub Terminum post craâ—tin Martini De Termino Hillarii anno Eliz. Reginae Rot. 89. Domina Regina mandavit praedilecto fideli Conciliario suo Iohannem Popham mil. capital Justic. Dominae Reginae ad placita coram ipsa Regina tenend assignat Ac dilectis fidelibus suis Iohanni Clench Francisco Gawdy Edwardo Fennor Justiciar ipsius Dominae Reginae ad placita praedict aut eorum alicui breve suum de privato Sigillo manu sua propria quod sequitur in haec verba By the Queen Trustie and welbeloved we greet you well Whereas William Constable late of London Knight Robert Vernon late of London Knight Henry Lincey late of London Knight Ellis Iones late of London gent. Charles Ogle late of London gent. Robert Pitchforke late of London gent. Iohn Wright late of London gent. Christopher Wright late of London gent. and Edmund Whitlocke late of London gent. for the late treasonable attempt of the late Erle of Essex have been committed to sundry places and prisons for their offences committed some in one sort some in another and stand amongst others indicted of high Treason for their severall offences Forasmuch as of our princely disposition we aâ—e graciously bent to extend our grace and favour unto them and that they shall be bailed We will and command you or any of you to bail the aboue named persons or any of them to appear before us in our Court commonly called the Kings Bench at such time and in such manner and form as to you or any of you shall seem meet And this shall be your sufficient warrant and discharge in that behalf To our trusty and welbeloved Counceller S r Iohn Popham Knight Chief Justice of our Pleas to be holden before us To our trusty and welbeloved Iohn Clench Francis Gawdy and Edward Fennor Justices of the same Pleas or any of them De Vacatione Hillâ—rii anno 43. Eliz. Reginae Gâ—tehouse Robertus Vernon nuper de London mil. Henricus Lincey nuper de London
for they are not within this Statute and yet this Court doth it at pleasure But plainly by the Statute it self it appears that it meant only to the common writ for the preamble recites that the Sheriffs and other have taken and kept in prison persons detected of felony and let out to plevin such as were not reprisable to grieve the one party and to the gain of the other and forasmuch as before this time it was not determined what prisoners were reprisable which not but onely in certain cases were expressed therefore it is ordained c. Now this is no more but for direction of the keepers of the prisons for it leaves the matter to the discretion of the Judges whether bailable or no not of the Judges for when the Statute hath declared who are repleviable who are not as men outlawed have abjured the Realm Proves such as be taken in the manner breakers of prisons buâ—ners of houses makers of false money counter feiting of the Kings Seal and the like it is then ordained that if the Sheriff or any other let any go at large by surety that is not reprisable if he be Sheriff Constable or any other that hath the keeping of prisons and thereof be attainted he shall lose his office and fee for ever so that it extends to the common Goalers and keepers of prisons to direct them in what cases they shall let men to bail and in what cases not and that they shall not be Judges to whom to let to replevin and whom to keep in prison but it extends not to the Judges for if the makers of the Statute had meant them in it they should have put a pain upon them also So then I conclude upon these under your Lordships favour that as this case is there should have been a cause of the commitment expressed for these Gentlemen are brought hither by writ ad subjiciendum if they be charged and ad recipiendum if they be not charged and therefore in regard there is no charge against them whereupon they should be detained in prison any longer we desire that they may be bailed or discharged by your Lordship The Argument of Master Selden upon the Habeas corpus My Lords I am of Councell with Sir Edmond Hampden his case is the same with the other two Gentlemen I cannot hope to say much after that that hath been said yet if it shall please your Lordship I shall remember you of so much as is befallen my lot Sir Edmond Hampden is brought hither by a writ of Habeas corpus and the keeper of the Gate-house hath returned upon the writ that Sir Edmond Hampden is detained in prison per speciale mandatum Domini Regis mihi significatum per Warrantum duorum Privati Concilii dicti domini Regis and then he recites the warrants of the Lords of the Councell which is that they do will and require him to detain this Gentleman still in prison letting him know that his first imprisonment c. May it please your Lordship I shall humbly move you that this Gentleman may also be bailed for under favour my Lord there is no cause in the return why he should be any farther imprisoned and restrained of his liberty My Lord I shall say something to the form of the writ and of the return but very little to them both because there is a very little left for me to say My Lord to the form I say it expresseth nothing of the first caption and therefore it is insufficient I will adde one reason as hath been said the Habeas Corpus hath onely these words quod habeas corpus ejus una cum causa detensionis non captionis But my Lord because in all imprisonment there is a cause of caption and detention the caption is to be answered as well as the detention I have seen many writs of this nature and on them the caption is returned that they might see the time of the caption and thereby know whether the party should be delivered or no and that in regard of the length of his imprisonment The next exception I took to the form is that there is much incertainty in it so that no man can tell when the writ came to the keeper of the prison whether before the return or after for it appears not when the Kings command was for the commitment or the signification of the Councell came to him It is true that it appears that the warant was dated the seventh of November but when it came to the keeper of the prison that appears not at all and therefore as for want of mentioning the same time of the caption so for not expressing the same time when this warrant came I think the return is faulty in form and void And for apparent contradiction also the return is insufficient for that part of the return which is before the warrant it is said quod detentus est per speciale mandatum domini Regis the warrant of the Lords of the Councel the very syllables of that warrant are that the Lords of the Councell do will and require him still to detain him which is contrary to the first part of the return Besides my Lord the Lords themselves say in another place and passage of the warrant that the King commanded them to commit him and so it is their commitment so that upon the whole matter there appears to be a clear contradiction in the return and there being a contradiction in the return it is void Now my Lord I will speak a word or two to the matter of the return and that is touching the imprisonment per speciale mandatum domini Regis by the Lords of the Councell without any cause expressed and admitting of any or either of both of these to be the return I think that by the constant and settled Laws of this kingdome without which we have nothing no man can be justly imprisoned be either of them without a cause of the commitment expressed in the return My Lord in both the last Arguments the statutes have been mentioned and fully expressed yet I will adde a little to that which hath been said The statute of Magna Charta cap. 29. that statute if it were fully executed as it ought to be every man would enjoy his liberty better then he doth The Law saith expresly no Free-man shall be imprisoned without due processe of the Law out of the very body of this Act of Parliament besides the explanation of other statutes it appears Nullus liber homo capiatur vel imprisonetur nisi per legem terrae My Lord I know these words legem terrae do leave the question where it was if the interpretation of the Statute were not But I think under your Lordships favour there it must be intended by due course of Law to be either by presentment or by indictment My Lords if the meaning of these words Per legem terrae were but as we use to
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Edward 3. he was returned and brought before them as Committed onely by the Writt wherein noe Cause is expressed and the Leivetenant the Constable of the Tower that brought him into the Court saies that he had no other warrant to detain him Nisi breve predictum wherein there was no mention of any Cause the Court thereupon adjudged that breve predictum for that speciall command was not sufficient causa to detain him in prison and thereupon he is by judgment of the Court in Easter term let to Mainprize But that part of the Record wherein it appears that he had indeed been committed for suspicion of Treason is of Trinity term following when the King after the letting of him to Mainprize sent to the Judges that they should discharge his Mainprize because no man prosecuted him And at that time it appears but not before that he had been in for suspicion of Treason so that he was returned to stand committed by the Kings special command onely without Cause shewed in Easter term And then by judgment of the Court let to Mainprize which to this purpose is but the same with bail though otherwise it differ And in the term following upon another occasion the Court knew that he had been committed for suspicion of Treason which hath no relation at all to the letting of him to Mainprize nor to the judgement of the Court then given when they did not nor could possible know any Cause for which the King had committed him And it was said in behalf of the house of Commons that they had not indeed in the Argument expresly used this latter part of Bildstones Case because it being onely of Trinity term following could not concern the reason of an Award given by the Court in Easter term next before yet notwithstanding that they had most faithfully at the time of their Argument delivered into the Lords as indeed they had a perfect coppy at large of the whole Record of this Case as they had done also of all other presidents whatsoever cited by them in so much as in truth there was not one president of Record of either side the coppy whereof they had not delivered in likewise nor did M r. Attorney mention any one besides those that were so delivered in by them And as touching those 3. kinds of Records the remembrance Roll the return and file of the Writt and the Scruets it was answered by the gentlemen imployed by the house of Commons that it was true that the Scruect and return of this Case of Bildstone was not to be found but that did not lessen the weight of the president because always in the Award or Judgment drawn up in the remembrance Roll the Cause whatsoever it be when any is shewed upon the return is always expressed as it appears clearly by the constant Entries of the Kings-Bench Court so that if any Cause had appeared plainly in that part of the Roll which belongs to Easter term wherein the Judgment was given but the return of the commitment by the Kings command without Cause shewed and the Judgment of the Court that the Prisoner was to be let to Mainprize appears therein onely and so notwithstanding any Objection made by M r. Attorney the Cause was maintained to be a clear proof among many others touching the resolution of the house of Commons To the second of these 12. which is Parkers Case in the 22. H. 8. Rot. 37. his Objections were two First that it is true that he was returned to be committed Per mandatum domini Regis but it appeared that this command was certified to the Shreiffs of London by one Robert Peck gentleman and that in regard that the command came no otherwise the return was held insufficient and that therefore he was bailed Secondly that it appears also in the Record that he was committed pro suspicione felloniae ac per mandatum domini Regis so that in regard that the command that in the expression of the causes of his commitment suspicion of fellony preceeds the command of the King therefore it must be intended that the Court tooke the Cause why the King committed him to be of less moment then fellony and therefore bailed him For he Objected that even the house of Commons themselves in some Arguments used by them touching the interpretation of the statute of Westminster the first cap. 15. about this point had affirmed that in enumeration of particulars those of greatest nature were first mentioned and that it was supposed that such as followed were usually of less nature or moment But the reply was to the first Objection that the addition of the certefying of the Kings command by Robert Peck altered not the Case First because the Sheriffs in their Return took notice of the command as what they were assured of and then howsoever it came to them it was of equal force as if it had been mantioned without reference to Peck Secondly as divers Patents pass the great Seal by writ of privy Seal and are subscribed Per breve de privato sigillo so diverse per ipsum Regem are so subscribed and oftentimes in the Roll of former times to the words per ipsum Regem are added nunciante A. B. So that the Kings command generally and the Kings command related or certified by such a man is to this purpose of like nature Thirdly in the late great Case of Habeas Corpus where the Return of the commitment was Per speciale mandatum Domini Regis mihi significatum per Dominos de privato Consilio the Court of Kings-Bench did agree that it was the same and of like force as if mihi significatum c. had not followed and that those words were void According whereunto here also Per mandatum Dom. Regis nunciatum per Robert Peck had been wholly omitted and void likewise And in truth in that late Case this Case of Parker was cited both at the Barr and Bench and at the Bench it was interpreted by the Judges no otherwise then if it had been onely per mandatum Domini Regis in place of it but the Objection there was made of another kinde as was delivered in the first Argument made out of presidents in the behalf of the house of Commons Therefore to the second Objection touching the course of Enumeration of the Causes in the Return it was said that howsoever in some Acts of Parliament and else where in the solemn expressions used in the Law things of greater nature preceded and the less follow yet in this Case the contrary was most plain for in the Return it appears that there were three Causes for detaining the Prisoners Surety of the peace Suspicion of Fellony and the Kings command and Surety of the peace is first mentioned which is plainly less then Fellony And therefore it is plain if any force of Argument be taken from this enumeration that the contrary to that which M r. Attorney inferred is
in Chambers but publick in Court where every one may hear which causeth Judgement to be given with maturity Your Lordships have heard the particulers delivered by my brethren how that Councel being assigned to those 4. Gentlemen in the latter end of Michaelmass Term their Cause received hearing and upon consideration of the Statutes and Records we found some of them to be according to the good old Law of Magna Charta but we thought that they did not come so close to this Case as that bayl should be thereupon presently granted My Lords the Habeas Corpus consisteth of 3. parts the Writ the Return upon the Writ or schedule and the Entry or rule reciting the Habeas Corpus and the Return together with the opinion of the Court either a remittitur or traditur in ballium In this Case a remittitur was granted which we did that we might take better advisement upon the Case and upon the remittitur my Lords they might have had a new Writ the next day and I wish they had because it may be they had seen more and we had been eased of a great labour And my Lords when the Attorney upon the remittitur pressed an Entry we all straitly charged the Clark that he should make no other Entry then such as our Predecessors had usually made in like Cases for the difference my Lords betwixt remittitur and remittitur quousque I could never yet finde any I have now sat in this Court 15. years and I should know something surely if I had gone in a Mill so long dust would cleave to my cloaths I am old and have one foot in the grave therefore I will look to the better part as near as I can But omnia habere in memoria in nullo errare divinum potiùs est quam humanum THE LORD CHIEF IUSTICE SAith he shall not speak with confidence unless he might stand right in the opinion of the House and protested what he spake the day before was not said by him with any purpose to trench upon the Priviledges of this House but out of that respect which by his place he thought he owed to the King he said concerning the point he was to speak of that he would not trouble the Lords with things formerly repeated wherein he concurred with his brethren He said if it were true the King might not commit they had done wrong in not partly delivering for my Lords saith he these Statutes and good Laws being all in force we meant not to trench upon any of them most of them being Commentaries upon Magna Charta but I know not any Statute that goeth so far that the King may not commit Therefore justly we think we delivered the interpretation thereof to that purpose for my Lords Lex terrae is not to be found in this Statute they gave me no example neither was there any Cause shewed in the Return A President my Lords that hath run in a storm doth not much direct us in point of Law and Records are the best Testimonies These Presidents they brought being read we shewed them wherein they were mistaken if we have erred erramus cum Patribus and they can shew no President but that our Predecessors have done as we have done sometimes bayling sometimes remitting sometimes discharging Yet we do never bayl any committed by the King or his Councel till his pleasure be first known Thus did the Lord Chief Justice Coke in Raynards Case They say this would have been done if the King had not written but why then was the Letter read and published and kept and why was the Town Clark sent carefully to enquire because the Letter so directed whether these men offered for bayl were subsedy men the Letter sheweth also that Beckwith was committed for suspition of being acquaninted with the Gun-Pouder-Treason but no proof being produced the King left him to be bayled The Earle of WARVVICKS speech 21. April 1628. MY Lords I will observe something out of the Law wherein this liberty of the Subjects Person is founded and some things out of Presidents which have been alleadged For the Law of Magna Charta and the rest concerning these points they are acknowledged by all to be of force and that they were to secure the Subjects from wrongfâ—ll imprisonment as well or rather more concerning the King then the Subject why then besides the grand Charter and those 6. other Acts of Parliament in the very point we know that Magna Charta hath been at least 30. times confirmed so that upon the matter we have 6. or 7. and thereby Acts of Parliament to confirm this liberty although it was made a matter of derision the other day in this House One is that of 36. E. 3. N o. 9. and another in the same year N o. 20. not printed but yet as good as those that are and that of 42. E. 3. cap. 3. so express in the point especially the Petition of the Commons that year which was read by M r. Littleton with the Kings answer so full and free from all exception to which I refer your Lordships that I know not have any thing in the World can be more plain and therefore if in Parliament ye should make any doubt of that which is so fully confirmed in Parliament and in case so clear go about by new glosses to alter the old and good Law we shall not onely forsake the steps of our Ancestors who in Cases of small importance would answer nolumus mutare leges Angliâ— but we shall yield up and betray our right in the greatest inheritance the Subjects of England hath and that is the Laws of England and truely I wonder how any man can admit of such a gloss upon the plain Text as should overthrow the force of the Law for whereas the Law of Magna Charta is that no Free-man shall be imprisoned but by lawfull judgement of his Peers or the Law of the Land the King hath power to commit without Cause which is a sence not onely expresly contrary to other Acts of Parliament and those especially formerly cited but against Common sence For M r. Attorney confesseth this Law concerns the King why then where the Law saith the King shall not commit but by the Law of the Land the meaning must be as M r. Attorney would have it that the King must not commit but at his own pleasure and shall we think that our Ancestors were so foolish to hazard their Persons Estates and labour so much to get a Law and to have it 30. times confirmed that the King might not commit his Subjects but at his own pleasure and if he did commit any of his Subjects without a Cause shewen then he must lie during pleasure then which nothing can be imagined more ridiculous and contrary to true reason For the Presidents I observe that there hath been many shewen by which it appears to me evidently that such as have been committed by the Kings Councel
they have been delivered upon Habeas Corpus and that constantly It is true that some Presidents were brought on the Kings part that when some of these persons desired to be delivered by Habeas Corpus the King or his Councel signified his Majesties pleasure that they should be delivered or the Kings Attorney hath come into the Court and related the Kings Command but this seems to make for the Subject For that being in his Majesties power to deliver them who by his special Command were imprisoned May not we well think that his Majesty would rather at that time have stayed their deliverance by Law then furthered it with his Letters and made the Prisoners rather beholding to him for his grace and mercy then to the Judges for Justice had not his Majesty known that at that time they ought to have been delivered by Law I think no man would imagine a wise King would have suffered his Grace and Prerogative if any such Prerogative were to be so continually questioned and his Majesty and his Councel so far from commanding the Judges not to proceed to deliver the Prisoner by them committed without Cause shewn as that on the other side which is all the force of these Presidents the King and the Councel signified to the Judges that they should proceed to deliver the parties certainly if the King had challenged any such Prerogative that a Person committed without any cause shewn ought not to be delivered by the Judges without his consent it would have appeared by one President or other amonst all that have been produced that his Majesty would have made some claim to such a Prerogative But it appears to the contrary that in many of these cases the King or his Councel did never interpose and where they did it was alwayes in affirmation and incouragement to that Court to proceed And besides the writing of Letters from his Majesty to the Judges to do Justice to his Majesties Subjects may with as good reason be interpreted that without those Letters they might not do Justice also the King signified his willingness that such such Persons which were committed by him should be delivered therefore they could not be delivered without it which is a strange reason So that findeing the Laws so full so many and so plain in the point and findeing that when ever any were committed without cause shewn brought their Habeas Corpus they were delivered and no Command ever given to the contrary or claim made on the Kings part to any such Prerogative I may safely conclude as the House of Commons have done and if any one President or two of late can be shewn that the Judges have not delivered the Prisoners so committed I think it is their fault and to be enquired of but contrary it seems to me to be an undoubted Liberty of the Subject that if he be committed without cause or without cause shewn yet he may have some speedy course to bring himself to Trial either to justifie his own innocencie or to receive punishment according to his fault for God forbid that an innocent man by the Laws of England should be put in worse case then the most grievous Malefactors are which must needs be if this should be that if a cause be shewed he may have his Trial but if none he must lie and pine in Prison during pleasure Mr. Serjeant Ashley the other day told your Lordships of the Embleme of a King but by his leave made wrong use of it For a King bears in one hand the Globe and in the other the golden Scepter the tipes of Soveraignty and mercie but the Sword of Justice is ever carried before him by a Minister of Justice which shews Subjects may have their remedies for unjustice done and appeals done to higher powers for the Laws of England are so favourable to their Princes as they can do no unjustice Therefore I will conclude as all disputes I hold do Magna est veritas praevalebit so I make no doubt we living under so good a Prince as we do when this is represented unto him he will answer us Magna est Carta praevalebit The ARCH-BISHOPS of CANTERBURIES Speech at the Conference of both Houses 25. April 1628. GEntlemen of the House of Commons the service of the King and safety of the Kingdom do call on us my Lords to give all convenient expedition to dispatch some of those great and weighty businesses for the better effecting whereof my Lords have thought fit to let you know that they do in general agree with you and doubt not but you will agree with us to the best of your power to maintain and support the fundamental Laws of the Kingdom and the fundamental Liberties of the Subject for the particulers which may hereafter fall in debate they have given me in charge to let you know that what hath been presented by you to their Lordships they have laid nothing of it by they are not out of love with any thing you have tendered to them they have voted nothing neither are they in love with any thing proceeding from themselves for that which we shall say and propose unto you is out of an intendment to invite you to a mutual and free conference that you with confidence may come to us and we with confidence may speak to you so that we may come to a conclusion of those things which we both unanimously desire we have resolved of nothing defined or determined nothing but desire to take you with us praying help of you as you have done of us My Lords have thought upon some Propositions which they have ordered to be read here and then left with you in writing that if it seem good to you we may uniformly concur for the substance and if you differ that you may be pleased to put out or add or alter or diminish as you shall think fit that so we the better come to the end that we do both so desireously embrace Then the 5. Propositions were read by the Lord BISHOP of NORVVHICH The 5. Propositions 25. April 1628. 1. THat his Majesty would be pleased gratiously to declare that the good old Law called Magna Charta and the 6. Statutes conceived to be Declarations or Explanations of that Law do stand still in Force to all intents and purposes 2. That his Majesty would be pleased gratiously to declare that according to Magna Charta and the Statutes aforesaid as also according to the most ancient Customes and Laws of this Land every free Subject of this Realm hath a fundamental propriety in his good and a fundamental Liberty of his Person 3. That his Majesty would be pleased gratiously to declare that it is his Royal pleasure to ratifie and confirm unto all and every his faithfull and Loyal Subjects all their antient several just Liberties Priviledges and Rights in as ample and beneficial manner to all intents and purposes as their Ancestors did enjoy the same
goodness without which they well know nothing they can frame or desire will be of safety and value to them and therefore are all humble Suitors to your Majesty that your Royal heart would graciously accept and believe the truth of theirs which they humbly present and full of trust and confidence in your Royal word and promise as ever House of Commons reposed in any of their best Kings True it is they cannot but remember the publick trust for which they are accomptable to present and future times and their desires are that your Majesties goodness in fruit and memory be the blessing and joy of posterity They finde also that of late there hath been publick violation of your Laws and the Subjects Liberties by some of your Majesties Ministers and thence conceive that no less then a publick remedy will raise the dejected hearts of your loving Subjects to a cheerfull supply of your Majesty or make them receive content in the proceeding of this House From these considerations they must humbly beg your Majesties leave to lay hold of that gracious offer of yours which gave them assurance that if they thought fit to secure themselves in their Rights and Liberties by way of Bill or otherwise so it might be provided for with due respect to his Honour and publick good he would graciously be pleased to give way unto it Far from their intentions it is to incroach upon your Soveraignty or Prerogative nor have they the least thought of straining or inlarging the former Laws in any sort by any new interpretations or additions The bounds of their desire extend no further then to some necessary explanation of what is truely comprehended within the just sence and meaning of those Laws with some moderate provision for execution and performance as in times past upon like occasions have been used The way how to accomplish these their humble desires is now in serious consideration with them wherein they humbly assure your Majesty they will neither loose time nor seek any thing of you Majesty but what they hope may be fit for dutifull and Loyal Subjects to ask and for a gracious and a good King to grant The KINGS Answer to the House of Commons delivered by the Lord Keeper 5. May 1628. MR. Speaker and the Gentlemen of the House of Commons his Majesty hath commanded me to tell you that he expected an answer by your actions and not delay by discourse You acknowledge his trust and confidence in your proceedings but his Majesty sees not how ye requite him by your confidence of his word and actions for what need explanations if you doubt not performance of the true meaning for the explanation will hazard an incroachment upon his Prerogative and it may well be said what needs a new Law upon any old if you repose confidence in the Declaration his Majesty lately made by me to both Houses and your selves acknowledge that the greatest trust and confidence must be in his Majesties grace and goodness without which nothing that you can frame will be of safety or available to you Yet to shew clearly the sincerity of his Majesties intentions he is content that a Bill be drawn for confirmation of Magna Charta and the 6. other Statutes insisted on for the Subjects Liberties if you shall chuse that to be the best way so that it be without Additions Paraphrase or Explanations Thus if you please you may be secured from your needless fears and this Parliament may have a happy wished for end whereby the contrary if you seek to tye the King by new and indeed impossible bonds you must be accomptable to God and your Countrey for the ill success of this meeting His Majesty having given his Royal word that you shall have no cause to complain hereafter less then which hath been enough to reconcile great Princes and therefore ought much more to prevail between King and Subject Lastly I am commanded to tell you that his Majesties pleasure is that without further replies of Messages or other unnecessary delayes you do what you mean to do speedily remembring the last Message which his Majesty sent you by Secretary Coke for point of time his Majesty alwayes intending to perform his promise to his people The Lord COKES speech at the conference in the Painted Chamber presenting the Petition of Right 8. May 1628. I Pray your Lordships to excuse us for we have been till one of the Clock about the great business and blessed be God we have dispatcht it in some measure and before this time we were not able to attend your Lordships but I hope that this will prove to be a great blessing to us My Lords I am commanded from the House of Commons to express their singuler care and affection they have of concurrence with your Lordships in these urging affairs and proceedings of this Parliament both for the good of the Common-wealth and principally for his Majesties And this I may say in this particuler if we have hundreds of tongues we were not able to express this desire which we have of that concurrence with your Lordships but I will leave it without any further expression My Lords what necessity there is both in respect of your selves and your posterities in the good success of this business we have acquainted your Lordships with the reasons and the arguments and also that we have had some conference about it we have received from your Lordships 5. Propositions and it behoves us to give your Lordships some reasons why you have not heard from us before now for in the mean time as we were consulting of this weighty business we have received divers messages from our great Soveraign the King and they consisted upon 5. parts First was that his Majesty would maintain all his Subjects in their just freedom both of their Persons and Estates Secondly That he will govern according to his Laws and Statutes Thirdly That we shall finde much confidence in his Royal word I pray observe that Fourthly That we shall enjoy all our Rights and Liberties with as much Freedom and Liberty as ever any Subjects have before times Fifthly That whether we shall think it fit either by way of Bill or otherwise to go on in this great business his Majesty would be pleased to give way to it These gracious messages do so work upon our affections that we have taken them into consideration My Lords when we had these messages I deal plainly for so I am commanded by the House of Commons We did consider in that way we may go for our most secure way nay yours we do think that the safest way was to go a Parliament course for we have a Maxim in the House of Commons and written on the walls of our House that old wayes are the safest and surest wayes And at last we fell upon that which we did think if that your Lordships shall consent with us as the most ancient way of all and that is my
Lords viam faustam both to his Majesty and your Lordships and to our selves for my Lords this is the greatest bond that any Subject can have in Parliament verbum Regis that is an high point of Honour but this shall be done by the Lords and Commons and assented to by the King in Parliament This is the greatest obligation of all and this is for the Kings Honour and our safety And therefore my Lords we have drawn a form of a Petition desiring your Lordships to concur with us herein for we come with an unanimous consent of all the House of Commons for there is great reason your Lordships should do so because that your Lordships be involved in the same condition commune periculum and so I have done with the first part And now I shall be bolde to read that which we have so agreed on I shall desire your Lordships that I may read it The Petition of Right to the KINGS most Excellent Majesty HUmbly sheweth unto our Soveraign Lord the King the Lords spiritual temporal and Commons in this present Parliament assembled That whereas it is declared and enacted by a Statute made in the time of the Raign of King Edw. 1. commonly called Statutum de tallagio non concedendo That no Tollage or aid should be laid or levied by the King or his Heirs in this Realm without the good will and assent of the Arch-Bishop Earles Barons Knights Burgesses and others the freemen of the Cominalty of this Realm And by Authority of Parliament holden in the 13. year of the Raign of King Ed. 3. it is declared and enacted that from thence-forth no Persons should be compelled to make any loan to the King against his will because such loans were against reason and the Franchises of the Land And by other Laws of this Realm it is provided that none should be charged by any charge or imposition called a Benevolence nor by such like charge by which the Statutes before mentioned and other the good Laws and Statutes of this Realm your Subjects have inherited this freedom that they should not be compelled to Contribute to any Tax Tollage Aid or other like charge not set by common consent in Parliament Yet nevertheless of late divers Commissions directed to sundry Commissioners in several Countreys with instructions have issued by means whereof your people have been in divers parts assembled and required to lend certain summes of money to your Majesty And many of them upon refusal so to do have had an unlawfull Oath administred unto them not warrantable by the Laws and Statutes of this Realm and have been constrained to become bound to make appearance and give attendance before your privy Councel and in other places And others of them have been therefore imprisoned confined and sundry other wayes molested and disquieted and divers other charges have been laid and levied upon your people in several Countreys alleadging some superior by Lord Lieutenants Deputy Lieutenants Commissioners for Musters Justices of Peace and others by command or direction against the Laws and free Customes of the Realm from your Majestie or your privy Councel And where also by the Statute called the great Charter of the Liberties of England It is declared and enacted That no Freeman may be taken nor â—mprisoned nor be disseised of his Freehold nor Liberties nor his free Customes nor be outlawed or exiled or in any manner destroyed but by the Lawfull judgement of his Peers or by the Law of the Land And in the 28. year of the Raign of King Edw. 3. it was declared and enacted by Authority of Parliament that no man of what Estate or condition he be shall put out of his Land or Tenement nor taken nor imprisoned nor disinherited nor put to death without being brought to answer by due process of Law Nevertheless against the Tenour of the said Statutes and other the good Laws and Statutes of your Realm to that end provided divers of your Subjects have of late been imprisoned without any cause shewed and when for their deliverance they were brought before your Justices by your Majesties Writ of Habeas Corpus there to undergo and receive as the Court should order and the Keepers commanded to certefie the causes of their detainer no cause was certified but that they were detained by your Majesties special command signified by the Lords of your privy Councel and yet were returned back to several Prisons without being charged with any thing the which they might make answer to and to Law And whereas of late great Companies of Souldiers and Marriners have been dispersed into divers Countreys of the Realm and the Inhabitants against their wills have been compelled to receive them into their houses and there to suffer them to sojourn against the Laws and Customes of this Realm and to the great grievance and vexation of the people And whereas also by Authority of Parliament in the 25. E. 3. it is declared and enacted that no man shall be fore-judged of Life or Limb against the form of the great Charter and the Law of the Land and by the said great Charter and other the Laws and Statutes of this your Realm no man ought to be adjudged to death but by the Laws established in this your Realm Nevertheless of late times divers Commissions under your Majesties great Seal have issued forth by which certain Persons have been assigned and appointed Commissioners with power and Authority to proceed within the Land according to the Justice of Martial Law against such Souldiers or Marriners or other dissolute Persons joyning with them as should commit any Murther Robbery Fellony Mutiny or other outrage or misdemeanour whatsoever and by such summary course and order as is agreeable to Martial Law and is used in Armies in time of War to proceed to the trial and condemnation of such offenders and them to cause to be executed and put to death according to the Law Martial By pretext whereof some of your Majesties Subjects have been by some of the said Commissioners put to death when and where if by the Laws and Statutes of the Land they had deserved death by the same Laws and Statutes also they might and by none other ought to have been adjudged and executed And also sundry grievous offenders by colour thereof claiming an exemption have escaped the punishment due to them by the Laws and Statutes of this your Realm By reason whereof divers of your Officers and Ministers of Justice have unjustly refused or forbore to proceed against such offenders according to the same Laws and Statutes upon pretence that the said offenders were punishable onely by Martial Law and by Authority of such Commissions as aforesaid which Commissions and all other of like nature are directly contrary to the said Laws and Statutes of this your Realm They do therefore humbly pray your most Excellent Majesty that no man hereafter be compelled to make or yield any Guift Loan Benevolence Tax or such
his Majesty to hazard an end of such unspeakable consequence upon the admittance of this addition into our Petition whereof as we have shewed the omission at this time can by no means harm the Kings Prerogative the expression may produce manifold inconveniences and therefore since the admittance of your Lordships addition into our Petition is incoherent and incompatible with the body of the same since there is no necessary use of it for the saving of the Kings rerogative since the moderation of our Petition deserveth your Lordships cheerfull conjunction with us since this addition is unseasonable for the time and inconvenient in respect of the place where your Lordships would have it inserted and lastly may prove a disservice to his Majesty I conclude with a most affectionate prayer to your Lordships to joyn with the House of Commons in presenting this Petition unto his sacred Majesty as it is without this addition The KINGS speech in the Higher House at the meeting of both Houses 2. June 1628. Gentlemen I Am come hither to perform my duty and I think no man will think it long since I have not taken so many dayes in answering of the Petition as you have spent weeks in framing it and I am come hither to shew you that as well in formall things as in essential I desire to give you as much content as in me lies The Lord KEEPER in explanation of the same MY Lords and you the Knights Cittizens and Burgesses of the House of Commons his Majesty hath commanded me to say unto you that he takes it in good part that in consideration how to settle your own Liberty you have generally professed in both Houses that you have no intention for to lessen or diminish his Majesties Prerogative wherein as you have cleared your own intentions so his Majesty now comes to clear his and to strike a firm league with his people which is ever decreed to be most constant and perpetual when the conditions are equal and known to be so These cannot be in a more happy estate then when your Liberties shall be an ornament and strength to his Majesties Prerogative and his Prerogative a defence to your Liberties In this his Majesty doubts not but both you and he shall take a mutual comfort hereafter and for his part he is resolved to give an example in so using of his power as hereafter you shall have no cause to complain This is the summe of that which I am to say to you Here read your own Petition and his Majesties gracious answer The KINGS answer to the Petition of Right 2. June by the Lord KEEPER THe King willeth that Right be done according to the Laws and Customes of the Realm and that the Statutes be put in due execution that the Subject may have no cause to complain of any wrong or oppression contrary to their just Rights and Liberties to the preservation whereof he holds himself in conscience as well obliged as of his Prerogative Sir JOHN ELLIOTS Speech 3. June Mr. Speaker WE sit here as the great Councel of the King and in that capacitie it is our duty to take into consideration the State and affairs of the Kingdom and where there is occasion to give them in a true representation by way of council and advice with what we conceive necessary or expedient for them In this consideration I confess many a sadd thought hath affrighted me and that not onely in respect of our dangers from abroad which yet I know are great as they have been often in this place prest and dilated to us but in respect of our disorders here at home we do inforce those dangers and by which they are occasioned For I believe I shall make clear unto you that I oth at first the cause of these dangers were disorders and our disorders now are yet our greatest dangers and not so much the potency of our enemies as the weakness of our selves do threaten us and that saying of the Father may be assumed by us Non tam potentia sua quam negligentia nostra Our want of true devotion to heaven our insincerity and doubling in Religion our want of Councels our precipitate actions the sufficiency or unfaithfulness of our Generals abroad the corruptions of our Ministers at home the impoverishing of the Soveraign the oppression and depression the exhausting of our treasures waste of our provisions Consumption of our Ships destruction of Men This makes the advantage to our enemies not the reputation of their Arms. And if in these there be not reformation we need no Foes abroad time it self will ruine us To shew this more fully as I believe you will all hold it necessary that there seem not an aspertion on the State or imputation on the Government as I have known such mentions misinterpreted which far it is from me to propose that have none but clear thoughts of the Excellency of his Majestie nor can have other ends but the advancement of his glory I shall desire a little of your patience extraordinarily to open the particulars which I shall do with what brevity I may answerable to the importance of the cause and the necessity now upon us yet with such respect and observation to the time as I hope it shall not be troublesome For the first then our insincerity and dubling in Religon the greatest and most dangerous disordor of all others which hath never been unpunished and of which we have so many strong examples of all States and in all times to awe us What testimony doth it want will you have Authority os bookes look on the collection of the Committee for Religion there is too clear an evidence will you have Recors see then the Commission procured for composition with the Papists in the North Mark the proceedings thereupon you will finde them to little less amounting then a tolleration in effect thought upon some slight payments and the easiness in them will likewise shew the favour that 's intended Will you have proofs of men witness the hopes witness the presumptions witness the reports of all the Papists generally observe the dispositions of Commanders the trust of Officers the confidence of secrecies of imployments in this Kingdom in Ireland and elsewhere they all will shew it hath too great a certainty and unto this add but the incontrolable evidence of that all-powerfull hand which we have felt so sorely that gave it full assurance for as the Heavens oppose themselves to us for our impiety so it is we that first oppose the Heavens For the second our want of Councels that great disorder in State with which there cannot be stability if effects may shew their causes as they are after a perfect demonstration of them our misfortunes our disasters serve to prove it and the consequence they draw with them If reason be allowed in this dark age the judgment of dependencies and foresight of contingencies in affairs confirm it For if we view our selves
and it is acknowledged by the ordinary answers of your Majesties predecessors in their assent to the Bills of subsedy of Tonnage and Poundage That it is of the nature of other subsedies proceeding from the good will of the Subject Very few of your predecessors had it for life until the raign of Hen. 7. who was so far from conceiving he had any right thereunto that although he granted commissions for collecting certain duties and customes due by Law yet he made no commissions for receiving the subsedy of Tonnage and Poundage untill the same was granted unto him in Parliament Since his time all the Kings and Queens of England have had the like grants for life by the free love and good will of the Subject And whensoever the people have been grieved by laying any imposition or other charges upon their goods or Merchandizes without Authority of Law which hath been very seldom yet upon complaint in Parliament they have been forthwith relieved saving in the time of your Royal Father who having through ill Councel raised the rates and charges of Merchandizes to that height at which they now are was yet pleased to yield so far to the complaint of his people as to offer that if the vallue of those impositions which he had set might be made good unto him he would himself and his Heirs by act of Parliament be bound never to lay any other which offer the Commons at that time in regard of the great burthen did not yield unto Nevertheless your Loyal Commons in this Parliament out of their especiall zeal to your service and special regard to your pressing occasions to take into their considerations so to frame a grant of subsedy of Tonnage and Poundage to your Majestie that both you might have been the better enabled for the defence of your Realm and your Subjects from being secure from all undue charges might be the more incouraged chearfully to proceed in their course of Trade by the encrease whereof your Majesties profit and likewise the strength of the Kingdom would be very much augmented But not being now able to accomplish this their desire there is no course left unto them without manifest breach of their duty both to your Majesty and the Countrey save onely to make this humble declaration that the receiving of Tonnage and Poundage and other impositions not granted by Parliament is a breach of the fundamentall Liberties of this Kingdom and contrary to your Majesties Royal Answer to the said Petition of Right And therefore they do most humbly beseech your Majestie to forbear any further to receive the same and not to take it in ill part from those of your Majesties loving Subjects who shall refuse to make payment of any such charges without warrant of Law demanded And as by this forbearance your most Excellent Majestie shall maniâ—est unto the world your Royal Justice in the observance of your Laws So they not doubting but that hereafter at the time appointed for their coming together again they shall have occasion to express their great deâ—ire to advance your Majesties Honour and profit A Letter which was found among some Jesuits that were lately taken at London and addressed to the Father RECTOR at BRUXILLS FAther Rector let not the damp of astonishment seiz upon your most ardent and zealous soul in apprehending the sudden and unexpected calling of the Parliament we have not opposed but rather furthered it so that we hope as much in this Parliament as ever we feared in Queen Elizabeths dayes You must know the Councel is ingaged to assist the King by the way of Prerogative in case the Parliamentary way should fall You shall see this Parliament will resemble the Pellicane which takes a pleasure to dig out with her beake her own bowels The election of the Knights and Burgesses have been in such confusion and by such apparant faction as that which we were wont to prove heretofore with much art and industry when the Spanish match was in treaty now it breaks out naturally as a botch or boyl and spets and spews out his own ranckor and venom You may remmber how that most Famous and Immortall Statesman the Count of Gondomar fed King Iames his fancy and rocked him asleep with the soft and sweet sound of Peace to keep up the Spanish Treaty Likewise we were much bound to some eminent Statesmen of our own Countrey to gain time in procureing those advantagious Sessions of Arms in the Pallatinate and in admiring the worth and Honour of the Spanish Nation and vilifying the Hollanders remonstrating to King Iames that State was most ungratefull both to his predecessor Queen Elizabeth and his Sacred Majestie that that State was more obnoxious then the Turk and perpetually injured his Majesties Subjects in the East Indies and likewise they had usurped from him the regallitie of the narrow seas in fishing upon the English coasts Had the Spanish match taken effect which was broken by the heat and violence of your furious Enemy the Duke of Buckingham certainly if King Iames had diserted the Hollanders Those great Statesmen had but one means to further their great and good designes which was to seiz on King Iames that none but the Puritans faction that plotted nothing but Annarchy and his confusion were advanced to this most happie Union We steered on the came course and have made use of Annarchall election and have prejudicated and anticipated the great one the Duke of Buckhingham that none but the Kings Enemies and his are chosen of the Parliament and that the Parliament vows to begin where they have left and will never give over till they have exterpated him and his posteritie On the other side the same parties who are to be admired for their indefitigable industrie incessantly foment revenge and jelousie in most of the Parliament men and especially they work upon the pride and vain glory of such as have been imprisoned acknowledging that they are the onely Martires and Worthies of the Country London is as much distempered as ever Florence was for the companies are at great odds and the common Councel have opposed the Magistrates against the old custom in the election of the Knights which hath bred a great heart burning in the City that twice a day we can divulge what we list in Pauls and upon the Exchange we have already rendered our irreconciliable Enemy the Duke as odious as a Toad so the people are apt to believe any thing against him We hope to be revenged on that Ball of Wilde-fire the Duke shortly and quench his fury you shall see the same sword that hath wounded us drawn upon the wound with an oyl that we have annointed it shall make us whole and this shall be done the Parliament is a great ship that hath dashed twice against the same rock and we have so wrought upon the several complexions of Parliament-men in charging the most temporate and wiser sort that the best way to
Iames Perotte SIr Iames Perotte complaineth further of some instruments of the Bishop of London and Doctor Turner who denied the License of printing the Articles of Ireland That diverse books have been licensed by the Bishop of Londons Chapplains and then refuse the same declaring they are of a contrary opinion and have given license to Mr. Chomley and Mr. Butterfield and therefore would not give license to these Mr. Pym MAster Pym doth make a full Report of all the proceedings against Mr. Mountague since the last Parliament of King Iames. Sir Robert Phillips REported from Mr. Attorney that my Lord of Dorset spoke to him to hasten the Pardons and that he received a Warrant from the King for drawing them that my Lord Carleton brought another Warrant from the King for drawing these pardons telling him that he must make expedition therein and he must draw the same as the Councel of the parties did direct the same That Mr. Attorney having made a rough Draught being often urged to expedition by the Bishop of Winchester he sent the same to the Bishop who inter-lined and corrected the same adding the names of Cosens Manwering and Sibthorp to the pardon That Mr. Attorney may be asked whether any of these Lords were made acquainted with the affidavit about Cosens A Messenger is sent to the Lord Keeper to know the reason wherefore he made stop of the Great Seal and by what solicitations he was prest thereunto Thursday 5. A Petition in complaint of an imposition upon Mault by the Citie of London was this day preferred to the House which is prefered to the Committee for Grievances Some differences being observed in the Articles as in the twentieth Article c. a Committee is to Compare the old and new Articles with the Records at Lambeth and consider how all those differences come in Mr. Long COmplaineth that a Prosecution hath been against him in the Star-chamber for sitting in this House the last Session he being High Sheriff of Wiltshire and chosen Burgess of Bath in Somersetshire The Preachers are to be chosen to morrow at the Committee for Religion Mr. Ogle IS called who averreth his Petition and will prove the same by witnesses It is Ordered that Cosens shall have intimation to attend to answer here if he will on Munday come fortnight to be sent for by a Serâ—cant at Arms and if he be not of the Convocation but if he be then to have notice by the Speakers letters and if thereupon he appear not then to proceed with him as is usuall in like Cases If Witnesses be sent for to this House in any Publick business they are to pay their own Charges Secretarie Cook SAith He hath very now received from a Noble person this Message from his Majestie That he hath appointed the eighteenth of this Moneth for the Fast for this place and the twentieth of the next Moneth for the whole king dom Sir Robert Phillips MOveth in the behalf of the Lord Peircie that having a Cause in dispute in the Lords House and three Members of this House being of his Counsel desires they may have leave to plead his Cause Which being conceived to be a Cause that is not to receive any Judgement here it is granted Friday A Petition exhibited against one Wittington a Papist in Northumberland Ordered to be sent for by a Serjeant at Arms. Mr. Harris of St. Margarets Westminster Mr. Harris of Hanwell in Oxfordshire Mr. William Fitz-Ieofferies of Cornwall are chosen for three Preachers for the day of the Fast and for the precedence is referred to the Preachers themselves Mr. Shervill REported one Parson Scall procured the Pardon for Mountague one Bartholomew Baldwin solicited the Pardon for Manwering There is also another Pardon found to be granted to Manwering pardoning the Judgement late he had given by the High Court of Parliament and all sums due to the King thereby Sir Nathaniel Ritch THat we may do somewhat which may give content to those who sent us hither and make expedition to the business of his Majestie and the Common-wealth That therefore the business of Mr. Mountague may be expedited to the Lords that they may enter into these things as well as we The Councel of Mr. Iones the Printer are to be heard upon Munday next Sir O. Roberts REporteth from the Committee sent to Mr. Attorney that Mr. Attorney staid for the Affidavits taken by Sir Euball Thelwall That one Health a Gentleman of Grays-Inne told Mr. Attorney that Cosens should say that the King was not supream of the Church and that he had no more to do with Religion than he that rubs his horse heels Mr. Attorney acquainted the King whereupon the King charged him to make a strict Inquisition herein but the King would not believe the same to be true Mr. Attorney sent for his Kinsman again and being examined he said so as affidavits were made thereon There was further certificate from the Dean and others at Durham so that the business was much lessened thereby but Mr. Attorney pressing the business further casually met with the Bishop of Winchester who said to Mr. Attorney that this business will come to nothing and King that made the affidavit was but a vain fellow The Affidavit of Thomas King was read which verifieth the same Mr. Selden made the rest of this Report and delivered the Warrant by which Mr. Attorney drew the Pardons for the Bishop of Winchester The effect was that what Mr. Mountague had done or writ was not out of any ill meaning such a Pardon should be drawn as Mr. Mountagues Councel should direct This Warrant was under the Lord Dorchester being the Lord Carleton Mr. Selden delivereth likewise the Copie of the Pardon interlined and razed by the Lord Bishop of Winchester Sir Iohn Elliot HEre is high Treason upon oath a Deposition upon oath an opposition is not in Law to be admitted for here is not onely an Admission but an Invitation of Certificates for defence and allowed to sway the case of so high a nature that therefore the parties that made the Affidavits and Mr. Attorney may be examined to make a better disquisition in this for I fear the intimation of the Bishop of Winchester swayed too far with Mr. Attorney Be matter true or false the neglect of the dutie of the Attorney is not to be excused I am much grieved to see his Majesties mercie run so readily to these kind of persons and his justice so readily upon others trifling occasions nay upon no occasions nay upon no occasion onely the misinformation of some Minister Mr. Attorney being by Writ to attend the Lords House cannot be injoyned to attend this House or to appear upon Warrant wherefore Mr. Littleton and Mr. Selden being of the same Inne of Court have undertaken to give notice to Mr. Attorney that there being an accusation here against him he may here answer and satisfie the House on Munday next Saturday A Bill against Spirituall Symonie
I may be clearly understood I must needs say they do mistake me wondrously that think I lay this fault equally on all the Lowerâ—House for I know there are many there as dutifull Loyal Subjects as any are in the world I know that it was onely some Vipers among them that did cast this mist of disobedience before their eyes although there were some there that could not be infected with this Contagion insomuch that some by their speaking â—which indeed was the general fault on the last day of the Houseâ— did shew their obedience To conclude my Lords as those ill-affected persons must look for their reward so you that are here of the Higher House may justly claim from me that protection and favour that a good King â—ears to his Loyal and Faithfull Subjects and Nobilitie Now my Lords execute that which I Command you Lord KEEPER MY Lords and Gentlemen of the House of Commons the KINGS Majestie doth Dissolve this Parliament wherefore you have all free leave to depart to your Residences c. His MAIESTIES Letter with Queres concerning Ship-money and the Answer thereunto To Our trustie and welbeloved Sir Iohn Bramston Knight Chief Justices of our Bench Sir Iohn Finch Knight Chief Justice of our Court of Common-pleas Sir Humphrey Davenport Knight Chief Baron of Our Court of Exchequer and to the rest of the Judges of Our Courts of Kings Bench Common-pleas and the Barons of our Court of Exchequer CHARLES R. TRustie and welbeloved We greet you well Taking into Our Princely consideration that the Honor and Safetie of this our Realm of England the preservation whereof is onely intrusted to Our care was and is now more dearly concerned than in late former times as well by diverse Counsels and attempts to take from Us the Dominion of the Seas of which We are sole Lord and rightfull Owner or Propriator and the loss whereof would be of greatest danger and peril to this Kingdom and other our Dominions and many other wayes We for the avoiding of these and the like dangers well weighing with Our self that where the good and safety of the Kingdom in general is concerned and the whole Kingdom in danger there the charge and defence ought to be born by all the Realm in general did for preventing so publick a mischief resolve with Our self to have a Royal Navie provided that might be of force and power with Almightie Gods blessing and assistance to protect and defend this our Realm and our Subjects therein from all such perils and dangers and for that purpose We issued forth Writs under Our Great Seal of England directed to all Our Sheriffs of Our several Counties of England and Wales Commanding thereby all Our said Subjects in every Citie Town and Village to provide such a number of Ships well furnished as might serve for this Royal purpose and which might be done with the greatest equallitie that could be In performance whereof though generally throughout all the Counties of this Our Realm We have found in Our Subjects great chearfulness and alacritie which We graciously interpret as a testimonie as well of their dutifull affections to Us and Our service as of the respest they have to the publick which well becometh every good Subject nevertheless finding that some few happily out of ignorance what the Laws and Customs of this Realm are or out of a desire to be eased and freed in their particulars how general soever the charge be or ought to be have not yet paid and contributed the several Rates and Assesments that were set upon them foreseeing in our Princely wisdom that from hence diverse Suits and Actions are not unlikely to be commenced and prosecuted in Our several Courts at Westminster We desireous to avoid such inconveniences and out of Our Princely love and affection to all our people being willing to prevent such errors as any of Our loving Subjects may happen to run into have thought fit in a Case of this nature to advise with you Our Iudges who we doubt not are all well studied and informed in the rights of Our Sovereigntie And because the Trials in Our several Courts by the formalities in pleading will require a long protraction We have thought fit by this Letter directed to you all to require your Iudgements in the Case as it is set down in the inclosed Paper which will not onely gain time but also be of more Authoritie to over-rule any prejudicate opinions of others in the point Given under Our Signet at Our Court of White-hall the Second day of Febr. in the Twelfth Year of our Reign 1636. CHARLES R. WHen the good and safetie of the Kingdom in general is concerned and the whole Kingdom in danger Whether may not the KING by Writ under the Great Seal of England Command all the Subjects of this Kingdom at their charge to provide and furnish such number of Ships with Men Victuals and Munition and for such time as he shall think fit for the defence and safeguard of the Kingdom from such danger and peril and by Law compel the doing thereof in case of refusal or refractoriness And whether in such case is not the KING the sole Judge both of the danger and when and how the same is to be prevented and avoided CHARLES REX Answer MAy it please Your most excellent Majestie We have according to Your Majesties Command severally every man by himself and all of us together taken into serious consideration the â—ase and Questions signed by your Majestie and inclosed in your Royal Letter and we are of opinion that when the good and safetie of the Kingdom in general is concerned and the whole Kingdom in danger Your Majestie may by Writ under the Great Seal of England Command all the Subjects of this Your Kingdom at their charge to provide and furnish such number of Ships with Men Victual and Munition and for such time as Your Majestie shall think fit for the defence and safeguard of the Kingdom from such danger and peril and that by Law Your Majestie may compel the doing thereof in Case of refusal or refractoriness And we are also of opinion That in such Case Your Majestie is the sole Iudge both of the danger and when and how the same is to be prevented and avoided John Bramston John Finch Humfrey Davenport John Denham Richard Hutton William Jones George Crook Thomas Trevor George Vernon Robert Barkley Francis Crawley Richard Weston FINIS
to be concluded that is that as Fellony is a greater Cause then Surety of the peace so the matter whereupon the Kings command was grounded was greater then Fellony But in truth this kinde of Argument holds neither way here and whatsoever the Cause were why the King committed him it was impossible for the Court to know it and it also might be of very high moment in matter of state and yet of farr less nature then Fellony All which shews that this president hath his full force also according as it was first used in Argument by the house of Commons To the third of these which is Binckes Case in the 35. H. 8. Rot. 33. the Objection was that there was a Cause expressed pro suspicione felloniae and though pro aliis causis illos moventibus were added in the Return yet because in the course of enumeration the general name of aliis comming after particulars includes things of less nature then the particuler doth therefore in this Case suspition of fellony being the first the other Causes afterwards generally mentioned must be intended of less nature for which the Prisoner was bailable because he was bailable for the greater which was suspition of fellony Hereunto it was replyed that the Argument of enumeration in these Cases is of no moment as is next before shewed and that although it were of any moment yet any Case though less then fellony might be of very great consequence in matter of state which is pretended usually upon generall Returns of command without cause shewed and it is most plain that the Court could not possible know the reasons why the Prisoner here was committed and yet they bailed him without looking further after any unknown thing under that title of Matter of state which might as well have been in this Case as in any other whatsoever To the 4. of these which is Overton's Case in 2. 3. Phet M. Rot. 58. and to the 5. which is Newports Case P. M. 4. 5. Rot. 45. onely these Objections were said over again by M r. Attorney which are mentioned in the Argument made out of presidents in behalf of the house of Commons at the first conference and in the same Argument are fully and clearly satisfied as they were in like manner now again To the 6. of these which was Lawrence his Case M. 9. Eliz. Rot 35. and the 7. which is Constables P. 9. Eliz. Rot. 68. the same Objections onely were likewise said over again by M r. Attorney that are mentioned and clearly and fully answered in the Argument made at the first conference out of presidents in behalf of the house of Commons the force of the Objection being onely that it appeared in the Margent of the Roll that the word Pardon was written but it is plain that the word there hath no reference at all to the reason why they were bailed nor could it have reference to the Cause why they were committed in regard the Cause why they were committed is utterly unknown and was not shewed To the 8. of these Presidents which was Brownings Case P. 20. Eliz. Rot. 72. It was said by M r. Attorney that he was bailed by a letter from the Lords of the Councel directed to the Judges of the Court but being asked for that letter or any Testimony of it he could produce none at all but he said he thought the Testimony of it was burnt among many other things of the Councel-table at the burning of the banquetting house To the 9. being Harecourts Case H. 40. Eliz. Rot. 62. the self same Objection was made by him but no warrant was shewed to maintain his Objection To the 10. which is Catesbyes Case in vacatione Hill 43. Eliz. he said that it was by direction of a privy Seal from the Queen and to that purpose he shewed the Seal of 43. Eliz. which is at large among the Transcripts of the Records concerning bails taken in Cases where the King or the Lords assented But it was replied that the privy seal made onely for some particular Gentlemen mentioned in it and for none other as indeed appears in it and then he said that it was likely that Catesby here had a privy seal in his behalf because those other had so which was all the force of his Objection To the 11. of these which is Beckwiths Case in Hill 12. Iacobi Rot. 153. he said that the Lords of the councel sent a letter to the Court of Kings-Bench to bail him And indeed he produced a letter which could not by any means be found when the Arguments were made at the first conference and this letter and a coppy of an obscure Report made by a young student which was brought to another purpose as is hereafter shewed were the onely things written of any kinde that M r. Attorney produced besides the particulars shewed by the house of Commons at the first conference To this it was replied that the letter was of no moment being onely a direction to the Chief Iustice and no Matter of record nor any way concerning the rest of the Iudges And besides either the Prisoner was bailable by the Law or not bailable if bailable by the Law then was he to be bailed without any such letter if not bailable by the Law then plainly the Judges could not have bailed him upon the letter without breach of their oath which is that they are to do Iustice according to the Law without having respect to any command whatsoever so that letter in this Case or the like in any other Case is for point of Law to no purpose nor hath any weight at all by way of Objection against what the Record and the Judgment of the Court shews us To the 12. and last of these which is Sir Thomas Monsons Case in the 14. Iacobi Rot. 147. the same Objection was said over by him which was mentioned and clearly answered in the Argument and that one ground which is infallible That the Iudgment upon a return is to be made onely out of what appears in the body of the return it self was again insisted upon in this Case as it was also in most of the rest And indeed that alone which is most clear Law fully satisfies almost all kinds of Objections that have been made to any of these presidents which thus rightly understood are many ample Testimonies of the Judgments of the Court of Kings-Bench touching this great point in the several ages and raignes of the several Princes under which they fell After his Objections to the 12. and the Replies and satisfactions given to those Objections he came next to those wherein the Assent of the King and privy Councel appears to have been upon the enlargment but he made not to any of those any other kinde of Objections then such as are mentioned and clearly answered as they were now again in the Argument made at the first conference And for so much as concerns Letters of assent