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A25628 An Ansvver to this quodlibetical question, whether the bishops make a fundamental and essential part of the English Parliament collected out of some memorials in a larger treatise for the information of some, the confirmation of others, and the satisfaction of all. 1661 (1661) Wing A3454; ESTC R22861 15,455 24

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