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A09881 A consideration of the papists reasons of state and religion, for toleration of poperie in England intimated in their supplication vnto the Kings Maiestie, [and] the states of the present Parliament. Powel, Gabriel, 1576-1611.; Colleton, John, 1548-1635. Supplication to the Kings most excellent Majestie. aut 1604 (1604) STC 20144; ESTC S105148 106,538 134

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Ergo Popery is true Religion and to be tolerated ANSWERE 1 THis Reason is parallel vnto the 31. Reason But I answere farther 2 I. The lustre and glory of the Church is two fold Interiour and Exteriour the inward glory is that which consisteth in purity of doctrine the outward glory consisteth in the amplitude and peaceable state of the Church The inward glory never faileth in the Church but the outward oftentimes doth Vnto this belongeth the succession of ordinary Pastours and Doctors for indeede there may bee a true Church without ordinary Pastors Where two or three consent in verity of doctrine there is Christ in the midst of them there is the Church Againe the Church fled into the wildernes where for a time shee was fed by God c. 3 The Popish Wolues are not true Pastours and Doctors of the Church wherof the Apostle Paule speaketh Eph. 4.11 For in the Papacie we see the Pope extolling himself aboue all yea sometimes two three or fowre Popes at once cursing banning one the other into the pit of hell and fighting many a bloody cūbate for Peters chaire as they say We see many Cardinals Patriarkes Archbishops Bishops Abbots c. which represent Herods or Pharaos court yea which bear the shew of the Babylonian or Persian Monarchy following them in all ambition arrogancy vanity luxurie rather then the Apostolicall state of the Ecclesiasticall Ministry whereof the Apostle Paule speaketh 4 The Lord gaue vnto his Church Pastours and Doctours the Suppliants vrge out of Paule Eph. 4. Bee it so But here is no mention of Pope Cardinals Monkes Friers Iesuits Priests c. VVherefore we may retort this Argument vpon the Papists themselues thus They only haue a true and a lawfull calling and ordination in the Church who are mentioned by the Apostle Paul Eph. 4.11 But the Pope Cardinals Abbots Moonks Friers Iesuits Priests c. are not mentioned by the Apostle Ergo These haue no lawfull calling 5 Againe That is the true Church in which there is a lawfull vocation ordination of Pastours and Ministers In the Popish Church there is no lawfull ordination of such as we haue proved before Ergo The Popish Church is not the true Church 34. REASON OF RELIGION A Religion whose doctrine is to be a Begging of the question traced even vp to the Apostles chaire by true and lawfull succession of Bishops every of them holding b Vntruth vnitie with his predecessour and keeping still as the Apostle directeth the depositum that descended from hand to hand vnto them Which vninterrupted line of succession never leaping over the head of any one age or c False as appeareth every wherin ther owne Histories yeare drawing his originall from the Apostles can not but d This woude be prooved not saide neces arily proue that our Church is only the true Apostolical Church and that we e Impudent Begging continue and contende as we are cōmanded Coloss 1.23 Phil. 3.16 Jude v. 3. in and for the faith which was first preached And it is also evident by the irrefragable authority of S. Paule that the Romanes had once the true faith affirming their e faith to be renowmed in the whole world and common to him and them Likewise it is evident by the vniforme report of all Ecclesiasticall histories and by the writings of al the Fathers (a) Theodoretus * Great Crie Litle Wooll in cap. 16. epist ad Rom Prosp carmine de ingr in principio S. Leo de Nat. Pet. Aug. contr epist Fund cae 4. Oiosius l 7. cae 6. Chrysost in Ps 88. Epiph. haer 27. Prud in hym 2. S. Laurentij hym 12 Optatus l. 2. contr Donatist Ambr. lib. 5. epist de basilicis tradendis Hiero. in Catalogo Lactantius lib. 4 cap 21. de vera Sapien-Eusebius hist Eccles lib. 2 cap. 13.15 Athanas de fuga sua Cipria epist 55. nu 6. Tert. de praesic nu 4. lib. 4. Contr. Marcio nu 4. Origen in Gen. apud Euseb l 3. c 1. Jrenaeus l. 3 c. 3. Hegesippus li 3. c. 2. de Excid Hierosolym Caius Papias Dionis Episc Corinth citati per Euseb li. 2. ca. 14. 24 Jgnat epist ad Rom. Concil Calced act 3. and others Greeke and Latin yea and by the very sense sight of sundry monumēts yet extant that Saint Peter f This is very vncertaine can never be soundly demonstrated was at Rome suffred death there and was the first Bishop of that See Now if our Counterpleaders can sufficiently shew as we are sure the whole world cannot either that the Romanes haue since that time g left the faith which S. Paule commended in them or that any of the succeeding Bishops to S. Peter in that See haue changed the first faith by paring away any part therof or by adding any new doctrine contrary to the rule of the former or what vvas not taught before by the Fathers after explicitiuely added as a more clear particular declaration of the same if this wee say can be sufficiently shewed by h A senselesse issue required naming the Pope or other man who in such sort changed the primitiue faith the point or points of faith that were so chāged togither with the time place when where the change was first made we yeelde our selues to be i Whether you will yeelde your selues to be so or no it is certaine out of the Scriptures that you are such prophane Novellers yea Heretiks most worthy of the fagot Resolution of the 34. Reason Popish religion is that whose doctrine is to be traced even vp to the Apostles chaire by true and lawfull succession of Bishops every one of them bolding vnity with his predecessour keeping still the depositum that descended frō hand to hand vnto them Ergo Popish religion is true religion and consequently to be tolerated ANSWERE 1 THIS reason is in effect the same with the last that goeth before But I deny Antecedent 2 Popish religion cannot bee traced vp to the Apostels chaire but downe rather to Lucifers chaire for it is nothing but a Summarie and Epitome of Heresies as I have proved before pag. 44. c. and manifestly teacheth those doctrines of devils condemned by the Apostle 1. Tim. 4.1 3 Their Bishops Popes haue no right successiō either to any Apostle or Apostolike mā in place person or office 4 If the Papists had this personal succession yet were they never the nearer I The wicked Priestes oftentimes pleaded succession against the true Prophets and against Christ himselfe Ier. 7.4 Ierem. 8.8 Ioh. 8.44 II Vriah the Priest had this succession from Aaron yet to please King Ahaz he set vp an altar according to the patterne that the King had sent him of one that hee had seene at Damascus contrary vnto the commādement of the Lord. 2. King 16.10.11 III The Patriarke of Constantinople deduceth his local and
Deut. 17.18.19.20 To like effect it was saide vnto Ioshua Let not the booke of this law depart out of thy mouth but meditate in it night and day that thou mayest diligently obserue as it is written in it For then thou shalt prosper in thy wates and haue successe in thy affaires Iosh 1.8 For this cause the Kingly Prophet exhorteth Kings to bee wise and iudges to be well advised that they worship GOD and his anointed denouncing vnto the enemies the Almighty power of Christ to the confusion of all that set themselues against him whereby he should be able as easily to breake them as a man with a barre of iron doth dash in peeces a pot of earth Psal 2.10.11.12 To this purpose notable is the speech of Asaria the Prophet vnto King Asa and to all Iuda Beniamin whē the Lord had miraculously foyled the innumerable multitude of their enemies The Lord saith he hath beene with you while yee have beene with him and if yee will yet seeke him be will be readie for you but of yee for sake him he will for sake you According to that which the man of GOD had saide before I will honour these that honour me and despise those which despise mee 2. Chron. 15.1 Sam. 2.30 This doctrine was sealed in the casting away of Saule and in the choosing and prosperous successe of David as he often acknowledgeth 1. Sam. 15. Psal 18.2 Sam. 22. Likewise in Salomon the most vvise and politique Prince that ever sate in the seate of David or ruled any people in the world who because he fully established the service of GOD according to all that had bin commanded by the Prophets the Lord also established his seate and increased his glory aboue all the Kings of the earth till he began to decline frō the Lord his God brought the abominable Idols of the strange women whom hee loved into his owne kingdome houses 1 King 10. Then the Lorde raised vp his servant against him who also in the daies of his sonne so rent away the ten tribes of Israel from the house of David that they never returned vnto it againe This was the speech of the Prophet Shemaiah to Rehoboam and the people of Iudah Thus saith the Lord You have for saken mee therefore will I also abandon you and give you into the hand of Shishak which was performed but in mercy vpon their repentance 2. Chron. 12.5 Abuah King of Iudah obiecteth against Ieroboam that he could not prosper because he had erected Idols in his kingdome had made him Priests contrary to the lawe and assured himselfe of GODS assistance against him for this reason because they had the Lord for their GOD who was their Captaine his lawfull Priests the Sonnes of Aaron sounding the Lords trumpets in the field before them Therefore saith he O yee children of Israel fight not against the Lord GOD of your fathers for yee shall not prosper And accordingly it is added that the Israelites were overthrowne having five hundreth thousand men of warre slaine and the Iewes were strengthened because they rested vpon the Lord GOD of their fathers 2. Chron. 13. Divers was the estate and aflaires of King Asa according as he walked with GOD prospering when he trusted in GOD and decaying when he followed the vaine discourse of flesh and blood and sought to the Aslyrians for helpe The same is alwaies diligently noted in the liues of the rest of the Kings Amazia Azaria Ioas Ezechia Iehoshaphat Manasles and the rest even to the Captivity of both the houses of Israel and Iudah with their Kings for false worshippe and disobedience vnto the vvord of the Lord their GOD. What shall I say of the life raigne death of our late blessed Soveraigne Queene ELIZABETH of most famous and happy memory who being but a woman after innumerable dangers and manifolde Persecutions comming to the crowne as the learned and reverend Father M. Doctor Abbots Deane of VVinchester noteth in his Auswere vnto Reas VI. of D. Hill in the latter end with vnspeakeable courage notwithstanding very many difficulties of Subiects at home of Princes abroad and of the Divell every where professed to mainetaine the trueth of the Gospel and to deface Idolatry superstition which with singular constancie shee continued all the daies of her life yeelding her lande a Sanctuary to all Christians throughout the whole world groaning for liberty of true Religion protecting and defending the afflicted Christians abroade in forraine Countries from the oppression of savage and bloudy Tyrants flourishing in wealth honor estimation being every way admired of all the Monarkes vnder the Sunne whither her fame did come and leaving matter for such a story as no Prince ever hath left the like This thrice noble Princesse after many glorious victories triumph● other renowned prosperities notwithstanding the tyrānous attempts of forraine enemies abroad the frequent conspiracies of vngodly persons at home against her crown person by the favor of the Almighty vnder the shaddowe of whose wings shee was ever safely protected having Raigned foure and forty yeeres foure months and eight daies a Virgin Queene dyed in peace in a full glorious age so beloved so honoured and so esteemed of her Subiectes as never was any Prince more And GOD to testifie his owne worke left at her death no calamitie or miserie in the kingdome no warres but even Ireland then calmed no famine no apparant pestilence no inundation of waters but plenty and abundance with inexspected tranquillity Yea to the end that he might crowne her with blessings hee put vnity and agreement into the Nobles Cleargy Commous of this Lande that readyly they submitted them selues to the only lawfull and royall Successour These and infinite such like examples declare true Pietie to be the very base and foundation of all true wisedom and policie Impietie what shew so euer it haue of outward ward profit and commodity for a season yet in deed and in the end to be the very cause of ruine and overthrowe to all estates and kingdomes The reason whereof is manifest because all Kings and Princes holde their Crownes and Scepters at the will and pleasure of GOD who is King of Kings Lord of Lords Prov. 18.15 Dan. 4.32 As therefore the Tenant at will hath no better policie then to please his Lord of whom he holdeth so the greatest policy soūdest wisdome that may be vsed by Kings Princes is to please the Lord our GOD in all obedience namely in the zealous advancing of his true religion service in the repressing of all false worship Idolatry hypocrisy tyranny which otherwise call nay cry aloude for GODS vengeance to pull down such sleeping dissembling colluders out of their thrones II Popery cannot be tolerated in England because it cannot chuse but involve the State in infinite perplexities and raise tumults and vproares in the kingdome 3 The instāces in Germanie Fraunce
6. with other Kinges of Spaine Stephanus Ladislaus Kinges of Hungary Miscelslaus Boleslaus Casimirus Sanctus and Casimirus Magnus Kinges of Polonia and many moe Kinges of other Nations presented their giftes (d) As Iustinus Emperour the person of Pope Iohn Iustinianus of Pope Constantine King Pipin the person of Pope Stephen the second Carolus o● Pope Leo the third Ludovicus of Sergius the second and of Pope Nicolas Henry the fourth of Pope Paschal the second and others reverenced her Pre●ates (e) As Philippus Arabs Emperour the Censure of Pope Fabian Euseb lib. 6. cap. 27 histor eccl the Emperour Theodosiu● the excommunication of S Ambr. Theodoret. lib. 5. cap. 17. hist eccle Sezom lib. 7. cap. 24. the Emperour Otho the third the inioyning penance of Romualdus Abbat Petr. Dam. in vita Romual To which may be added the devout readines of Henrie the second to accept and fulfill the sentence of Pope Alexanders Legates touching the death and murdering of Saint Thomas of Canterburie Neubrigens lib. 2. cap. 25. obeyed their censures yea and hath at this present many of the greatest Monarchs and potentates on earth to her Professours patrons and foster-fathers So as of the Romane Religion b A notorious vntruth onely these ensuing passages propheticall praedictions of holy Scripture must of force take their verification or remaine as yet beeing the latter yeeres or evening of the Church vnfulfilled c Manifest racking and perverting of the Scriptures in wrong application The Gentiles shall feare thy name O Lord and all the Kinges of the earth thy glory Psal 101.16 Againe All Kings of the earth shall adore him all Nations shall serve him Psal 71.11 And in another Prophet Kings shall be thy nursing Fathers and Queenes thy Nurses Esa 49.93 And againe Gentiles shall walke in thy light and Kinges in the brightnesse of thy vprising Esa 62.3 Places which to our iudgment most evidently convince that not only some Kinges of the earth shall professe and cherish true religion but that the greater number of all Christian Kinges shall embrace and advance the d They cōclude against themselves for it is wel known that Popery is not true religion same Now it is most certaine as cleere as noone day by all Antiquities Proofes and Chronicles of the world that there was never Emperour nor till this age any one King vnder heaven that entertained or e All those first Christian Emperours and Kinges which the Suppliants speake of and many others also in the midst of the Papacie professed true Christian religion which wee professe professed Protestant religion Resolution of the 9. Reason Popish religion is that to which the famousest Emperours and Kinges of the vvorld have bowed their Crownes presented their giftes reverenced her Prelats obeyed their Censures Ergo. Papistrie is true religion and therefore to be tolerated ANSWERE I. To the Antecedent 1 THE best the ancientest and the famousest of all these Emperours and Kinges mencioned by the Suppliants lived and died longe before the originall of Poperie 2 Many of them also impugned the Pope and Papacie and held those very pointes in religion which the Protestants maintaine II To the Consequence 1 If all these Emperours and Kings had bin Papists indeede yet were not Popery any thing the better for that because it is written in the Apocalypse that the Kings of the earth should committe fornication with the great Whore of Babylon Apoc. 17.2 2 Heathē Pagans have had very many famous Emperours and Kings who bowed their Crownes vnto thē presented their gifts reverenced their Priestes obeyed their Censures Is Paganisme therefore true religion 3 The Protestants also haue had such and haue many at this day God be thanked will the Papistes from hence acknowledge their religion true also 4 Are not the Papistes in miserable distresse for want of argumēts who can say nothing for their Religion but what Pagans Turkes Atheistes may alledge for theirs Reason of Religion 10 10. REASON OF RELIGION A Religion that from the first floure of her infancie ever had and still hath to her beleeueres infinite multitudes of either sexe a This prof sufficiently declareth that their Religion is not Apostolicall professing Poverty Chastity and Obedience the three (a) Mat. 19.21 Mark 19.12 1. Cor. 7.25 Matth. 16 24. chiefe Evangelicall b False counselles c False againe those places of Scripture doe not proue it obserued of the (b) Mat. 19.27 August de Civit lib. 17. ca. 4. Hieron li. 1. cōtra Jovinia Apostles practised by those (c) Saint Anthony Hilarion Benedict Francis Dominike Bernard and thousands moe who were counted of greatest holynes most highly commended by d A lying Hyperbole all (d) Hieron epistola prima ad Heliod cap. 6. item in cap. 19. Matth. ad Demetria de servanda virginitat epist 8. ca. 7. Quaest ad Hedib epist 150. ad Pammachum super obitu Paulinae epist 26. cap. 3. 4 Basil quaest 9. in regulis fusius disputat Damascen in histor Barlaam Josaph c. 15. Chrys in illud Pauli Salutate Priscam Aquilam Antiquity not only as divine helps to perfectiō but also as beautifull ornamēts in Christs Church raising the professors to supreame degree of grace and glory ¶ 4 The Supplyants haue mustered the bare names of the ancient Fathers very providētly leaving their Readers to the examining of their quotatiōs amongst whom not one of a hūdred they knew either for lacke of skill or will leasure or books could would turne to the places in the auctors thēselues They thought belike their credit to be such that every man must needs beleve that they cite them truely faithfully that because they haue so roundly hudled them vp togither that therefore out of all question they spake wrote fully for them But what small ●ause there is either for the Suppliant● to looke to be thus trusted or for any to yeeld thē such credit herein appeareth manifestly in the citation of their wordes which quite makes against Popish religiō and Monkish profession Of Pover●ie ¶ Of Chastitie Hieron in cap. 9. Matth. lib. 1. advers Jovin cap. 7. Basil de virginitat Epiphan haresi 58 contra Valesios Aug. de virginitat cap 14 24 sequentibus Greg. in tertia parte Curae pastora adwonit 29. Ambros Theodoretus in 1. Cor. 7. Amb. in epist 83. ad Siricium Papam 82. ad Vercellenser in tribus libris de Virginib alibi Damasc lib. 4 orthodoxae fid ca. 25. Athanasius Basilius Nazianzenus de Virgint Fulgent epist. 3. ad Probam cap. 9. 10. Jgnatius ad Philadelph Cipri de bono Pudicit Jsodor li. 2. de sum bono cap. 40. Cassian coll 12. ca. 4 7. ¶ Of Obedience Aug. lib. 14 de Civit. ca. 12. Hieron epist 8. ad Demetriad ca. 10. Greg l. 35 moral ca. 12 in 1. Reg. li 2. ca.