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A07696 A dialoge of comfort against tribulacion, made by Syr Thomas More Knyght, and set foorth by the name of an Hu[n]garie[n], not before this time imprinted More, Thomas, Sir, Saint, 1478-1535. 1553 (1553) STC 18082; ESTC S112882 216,983 350

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from that state And that is one of the causes for whiche God sendeth it vnto man For albeit that payn was ordeyned of God for the punyshmente of synnes for whiche they that neuer can nowe but sinne can neuer be but euer punished in hell yet in thys worlde in whiche his high mercy geueth men space to be better the punyshmente by tribulacion that he sendeth● serueth ordinarily for a meane of amendment Sainct Paule was himselfe sore agaynst Chryst tyll Christ gaue him a great fall and threw him to the ground and strake him starke blynde and with that tribulacion he turned to him at the fyrst woorde and God was his phisicion and healed hym soone after both in body and soule by his Minister Ananias and made him his blessed Apostle Some are in the beginning of tribulacion verye stubborne and stiffe against god and yet at length tribulacion bringeth thē home The proude King Pharao dyd abyde and endure two or thre of the first plages and would not once s●oupe at thē But then god layd on a sorer lashe that made him crye to him for helpe and then sente he for Moyses and Aaron and confessed him selfe a synner and god for good and righteous and praid thē to praie for him and to withdrawe that plage and he would let thē go But when his tribulacion was withdrawen than was he naught agayne So was his tribulacion occasion of his profyt and his helpe againe cause of his harme For his tribulacion made him cal to god and his helpe made hard hys heart againe Many a man that in an easy tribulacion falleth to seke his ease in the pastime of worldly fantasyes fyndeth in a greater paine al those comfortes so feble that he is faine to fall to the seking of goddes helpe And therefore is I saye the very tribulacion it selfe many tymes a meane to bringe the man to the takyng of the afore remembred comforte therin that is to witte to the desyer of comfort geuē by god which desyre of goddes comfort is as I haue proued you greate cause of comforte it selfe ¶ The fifthe Chapter The speciall meanes to geat this firste comforte in Tribulacion HOwe be it though the tribulacion it selfe be a meane oftē times to geat man this first comforte in it yet it self some time alone bringeth not a man to it And therefore syth withoute this comforte firste had there can in tribulacion none other good comforte come forth we muste laboure the meanes that this first comfort maye come And therunto semeth one that if the man of sloth or impacience or hope of worldly comfort haue no minde to desyre and seke for comfort of god those that are his frendes that come to visite and comforte him must afore al thinge put that point in his minde and not spend the time as they commenly do in trifling and turning him to the fantasies of the worlde They must also moue him to praye god put this desire in his minde which whē he getteth once he than hath the first cōfort And wythout doubte if it be wel considered a comforte meruelous great His frendes also that thus counsaile him must vnto thatteyning therof helpe to praye for him them selfe cause him to desyer good folke to helpe him to pray therfore And than if these wayes be takē for the getting I nothing doubt but the goodnes of god shal geue it ¶ The .vi. Chapter It suffiseth not that a man haue a desier to be comforted by god onely by the taking a●aye of the tribulacion ☞ Vincent Uerely me thinketh good vncle that this coūsayle is very good For except the person haue first a desire to be cōforted by god els cā I not se what it can auaile to geue him any further counsayle of any spiritual cōforte howe be it what if the mā haue this desier of gods comfort that is to wytte that it maye please god to comfort him in his tribulaciō by taking that tribulacion frō him is not this a good desier of goddes comfort a desire sufficient for him that is in tribulacion Anthony No Cosin that is it not I touched before a word of this point passed it ouer because I thought it woulde fall in our waye agayne and so wote I well it wil ofter than once And nowe am I glad that you moue it me here your self A mā maie many times well and wythout sinne desier of god the tribulacion to be taken from him but neither maye we desier that in euery case nor yet very wel in no case except very fewe but vnder a certayne condicion either expressed or implied For tribulaciōs are ye wote well of manye sōdry kindes some bi losse of goods or possessiōs some bi y● sicknes of our selfe some bi the losse of frendes or by some o●her paine put vnto our bodyes some by the dreade of the losing those thinges that we fayne would saue vnder which feare fall all the same thinges that we haue spoken before For we maie feare losse of goodes or possessions or the losse of our frendes their grief trouble or our owne bi sickenes imprisonmēt or other bodily payn we may be troubled with the drede of death and many a good man is troubled most of all with the feare of that thing which he that moste nede hath feareth least of al that is to wyt the feare of losinge through deadlye sinne the life of his seli soule And this last kind of tribulacion as the sorest tribulacion of all though we touche here there some pieces therof before yet the chief part the principal point wil I reserue to treate apart effectually that matter in the last ende But nowe as I said where the kindes of tribulaciō are so diuers some of this tribulaciō A mā may pray god take frō him take some cōfort in the trust the god wil so do and therefore against hungre sycknes bodily hurte against the losse of eyther bodye or soule men maye lawfully many times pray to the goodnes of God either for thē self or their frend And toward this purpose are expressely prayed many deuout or●sons in the comē seruice of our mother holy church And toward our helpe in some of these thinges serue some of the peticiōs in the Pater noster wherein we praye daylye for oure daylye foode and to be preserued from the fal in temptacion and to be deliuered from euyll But yet maye we not alwaye praye for the takyng awaye from vs of euery kynd of temptaciō For if a man should in euery sycknes praie for his health againe when shoulde he show him selfe content to die and to depart vnto god and that mynde must a man haue ye wote wel or els it wil not be wel One tribulaciō is it to good mē to feele in thē selfe the conflicte of the fleshe agaynste the soule the rebelliō of sensualitie against the rule and gouernāce of reason the reliques that remayne in mankynde of olde