answered a Voice came to them commanding them to come to him He asked them again where this Voice came to them they replyed T F his Garden in Lancashire he demanded again what that Voice commanded them to say to him they answered it was not yet given in to them The Gentleman then told them if they knew not what they had to say to him he knew not what he had further to say to them That night being towards Evening they were entertained in that Gentlemans house and being desired by the Servants to Supper they refused to eat but called for a little water onely The next Morning also they refused to eat any thing but offered to one of the Servants money for their Lodging he told them they did not well to come thither to abuse his Master he kept no Inne In the return towards their old Randezvous a few miles from this Gentlemans house they called at a little Alehouse that stands alone where desiring the Hostesse to provide for their Breakfast they eat and drank heartily The poor woman a little after told one of the aforesaid Gentlemans Servants that had occasion that way that two or three notable Trencher-men had been at her house who enquiring what manner of men they were knew them to be the same men that had been at his Masters 30. They deny all Ordinances and their practise is sutable to this their wicked Tenet An honest Minister in Westmerland discoursing with Fox asked him whether he did believe Prayer Preaching the Sacraments Meditation Holy-conference to be Ordinances of God No saith he away with them I deny them all 31. They call the Worship of God used in our publick Assemblies a beastly worm-eaten form a Heathenish way and Worship fleshly carnall c. 32. They hold that the sprinkling of Infants is Antichristian and their Baptisme the mark of the Beast spoken of in the Revelation which those that worship the Beast recieve in their foreheads 33. They affirm that there is not one word in Scripture that speaks of a Sacrament and that they are unlawfull that a little bread and a little wine in a Sacrament is the Worlds Communion and that in the true Church of God there is no talk of such carnall things A Minister in Westmerland having some conference with Fox and knowing him to be against the Baptisme of Infants asked him if he did not own the Baptisme of water to be an Ordinance No saith he I deny it there is no such Ordinance 34. They hold it unlawfull to sing the Psalmes of David and call them the Worlds Psalmes carnall Psalmes and say we sing Davids quakings and tremblings and that we put Davids Conditions into Rhime and Metre and sing them to the dishonour of God 35. They deny the Lords day to be the Christian Sabbath and say the Sabbath is a Mystery which we understand not 36. They hold it unlawfull to worship God in our Churches commonly and metonymically so called and tearm them Idols Temples beasts houses where God is not worshiped but the worship of the Beast is upheld and that the Beasts of the field meet there Night-birds Screech Owles 37. For the Office of the Magistracy though they do not yet openly declaim against it fearing they should be quickly called to account for such an attempt yet their Opinions which some of their lavish Tongues have manifested touching it as also this rude irreverent sawcy deportment towards Magistrates wherein they shew not so much as any common respect to them their bold impious Predictions of the ruine of all in Authority whatsoever and railings against them do easily evidence them to be none of the best friends to it The ensuing words are the words of a godly learned Minister to a friend of his However saith he the advice of some of late hath made them wiser There was no Doctrine more ordinary at their first entring into these parts at which time they spoke their hearts more freely and plainly then they have done since sense of danger and some little opposition having made them more politick then that we owe no Obedience to any Magistrate and that we ought not to own them with any honour or subjection Mr. Cole severall times endeavoured the Conviction of some of them from that abundant Testimony the Gospell gives to that distinction of Magistrates and Subjects Superiours and Inferiours but in vain And in his discourse with Nailer at Kendall when Nailer told him he accused him in this point falsely Providence so ordered it that one of his followers was there present who having before maintained the said Doctrine to him confessed then he had recieved it from Iames Nailer One Leonard Till of their way in Lancashire affirmed that one man ought not to have power over another Another principall man of the Sect in our County affirmed to a Justice of Peace there would be Quakers in Westmerland when there should be never a Justice of Peace in it for which words he was Indicted at the Sessions Ian. last How those of this Sect at York now Prisoners there railed against the Judges ealling them Scarlet coloured Beasts c. while sitting on the Bench is not unknown Such Justices of the Peace that appeare against their way they call Justices so called 38. They hold that all things ought to be common and teach the Doctrine of Levelling privately to their Disciples Those that know the Leaders of this Sect best judge them to be down right Levellers and that feare of suppression keeps them for the present from teaching that Doctrine openly Severall of them have affirmed that there ought to be no distinction of Estates but an universall parity one above the rest denyed the property of Estates a third affirmed that whersoever Christ came he came to destroyal property 39. They hold to quote Fathers and Authors in preaching is Antichristian 40. They are of Opinion that it is unlawfull to call any man Master or Sir 41. They hold it unwarrantable to salute any man by the way 42. They account it unlawfull to use the Civility of our Language in speaking to a single Person in the Plurall number I do not lay all the Tenets above recited to the charge of every one of them nor do I believe that all of them hold them all some of them are defended by some certain men of them onely Others of them are maintained by them all in generall Of the wicked Practises of the QUAKERS and first of their Meetings and Speakings HItherto of their Errours that are come to our knowledge I shall now go on to present my Reader with a briefe view of their black wicked Practises the naturall Fruits of such corrupt Principles as are above mentioned In doing of which I shall principally take notice of their Meetings Speakings Quakings Fastings Revellings Censoriousnesse â—â—ings Inconstancy in their own Opinions enmity to Learning Idlenesse Incivilities bloody barbarous and turbulent Practises for their wayes have
not been altogether in the Clouds nor their deeds of darknesse alwaies done in corners For the truth of this relation let me say thus much before-hand for the praevious satisfaction of my Reader the particulars of it are most of them so notoriously known to the whole Country where these degenerated people live that no sober man can deny them Many of them are and will be owned by themselves for they make some of these horrid Practises hereafter mentioned a part of their Religion and glory in them And there is I think few particulars contained in it which we shall want witnesses to attest if need be upon Oath And first for their Meetings and the manner of them They come together on the Lords Dayes or on other dayes of the week indifferently at such times and places as their Speakers or some other of them think fit Their number is sometimes thirty sometimes forty or sixty sometimes a hundred or two hundred in a swarm The places of their Meetings are for the most part such private houses as are most solitary and remote from Neighbours scituated in Dales and by-places Sometimes the open fields sometimes the top of an Hill or rocky hollow places on the sides of Mountaines are the places of their Randezvous In these their Assemblies for the most part they use no Prayer Not in one Meeting of ten and when they do their Praying Devotion is so quickly cooled that when they have begun a man can scarce tell to twenty before they have done They have no singing of Psalmes Hymnes or spirituall Songs that is an Abomination No reading or Exposition of holy Scripture this is also an Abhorrency No teaching or preaching that is in their Opinion the onely thing that is needlesse No Administration of Sacraments with them there is no talk they say of such carnall things not so much as any Conference by way of question is allowed of That which askes they say doth not know and they call propounding of any Question to them a tempting of them They have onely their own mode of speaking that is all the Worship that I can heare of which they do not call but deny to be preaching nor indeed doth it deserve that more honourable Name If any of their chiefe Speakers be among them the rest give place to them if absent any of them speak that will pretend a Revelation sometimes Girles are vocall in their Convents while leading men are silent Sometimes after they are Congregated there is altum silentium not a whisper among them for an houre or two or three together This time they are waiting which of them the Spirit shall come down upon in Inspirations and give utterance unto Sometimes they onely read the Epistles of Fox and Nayler which according to their Principles are to them of as great Authority as the Epistles of Peter and Paul They exceedingly affect Night meetings which are usually of both Sexes very lately and not infrequently continued all Night long Their Holyes they think are best dispensed while others are asleep these unseasonable dark Assemblies of theirs much like the Night-meetings of the Anabaptists in Munster which afterward proved fatall to that City in a time of peace and liberty considering the Constitutions of the Spirits of this people have been in some places a just cause of affrightment to the Neighbouring Inhabitants that are not of their way who have professed they could scarcely sleep in their Beds without feare These Night-meetings were therefore forbidden by the Justices at the Sessions at Appleby Ianuary last where one of them pleaded stiffly for this liberty of the Subjects as he called it For the manner of their Speakings their Speaker for the most part uses the posture of standing or sitting with his hat on his countenance severe his face downward his eyes fixed mostly towards the Earth his hands and fingers expanded continually striking gently on his breast his beginning is without a Text abrupt and sudden to his hearers his Voice for the most part low his Sentenses incohaerent hanging together like Ropes of Sand very frequently full of Impiety and horrid Errours and sometimes full of sudden pauses his whole Speech a mixt bundle of words and heap of Non-sense his Continuance in speaking is sometimes exceeding short sometimes very tedious according to the paucity or plenty of his Revelations His admiring Auditors that are of his way stand the while like men astonished listening to every word as though every word was oraculous and so they believe them to be the very words and dictates of Christ speaking in him Sometimes some of them men or women will more like Phrantick people then modest Teachers of the Gospell or like the Prophets of Munster or Iohn of Leydens Apostles run through or stand in the streets or Market-place or get upon a stone and cry Repent Repent woe woe the Judge of the World is come Christ is in you all believe not your Priests of Baal they are Lyars they delude you Kendall and many other Townes in these Norihern parts are witnesses of these mad Speakings and Practises The matter of the most serious and ablest of their Speakers is quicquid in Buccam venerit and for the most part of this Nature They exhort people to mind the light within to hearken to the Voice and follow the guide within them to dwell within and not to look forth for that which looketh forth tendeth to darknesse They tell them that the Lord is now coming to teach his people himselfe alone that they have an Unction and need not that any man should teach them that all their Teachers without the Priests of the world do decieve them away with them that they speak the Divination of their own brain and every one seeks for gain from his Quarter that they take Tithes which are odious in the sight of the Lord. That they teach for Lucre and for the Fleece and live in Pride Covetousnesse Envie and in great houses that they sit in the Seat of the Scribes and Pharises go in long Robes are called of men Masters that they scatter people and delude them with Notions of fleshly Wisdome and waies of Worship according to their owne wills and not according to the Mind of the Lord. They call them out of all false waies and worships and formes and false Ordinances so they call all the Ordinances of God used in our publick Assemblies Such stuff as this all their speakings are for most part stuffed with Something also they speak of Repentance of living under the Crosse against Pride in Apparell and Covetousnesse But the main Subject and Design of their Speakings is to invey against Ministers and Ordinances to bring ignorant Country people to hate or forsake them to mind onely their light within for teaching which they tell them is sufficient to Salvation Reader I do verily believe that if the Deceiver of the Nations should come visibly abroad cloathed in flesh as a Speaker he would
not heard heard of their open revilings which they principally fasten on them in whom most of God and sound Religion appears A man that professeth godlinesse especially a Minister that endeavors to be faithfull to Jesus Christ in the discharge of the duties incumbent on him cannot passe by them without their scorns Against such they grin and point at them with their fingers These and such like practises of this licentious people have filled the hearts of Gods People in these parts with exceeding fears to be driven after all their hopes to serve God in Corners and that they may die tho in the faith of the promise of Jerusalems peace yet without receiving it whilest the enemies of God roare in the midst of the Congregations So fast did their insolencies grow and their Numbers increase for a while that had they not been a little curbed by the imprisonment of Nayler and sending forth a warrant for the Apprehension of Fox for his blasphemies it is verily believed by many sober understanding men among us there would have been in a short time no peace or almost safety for any real Christian in Westmerland and some adjacent parts This was as some of the Justices expressed themselves at the Sessions Ianuary last one main reason of Naylers confinement namely that they were necessitated to it for the preservation of the publique peace and prevention of civil dissentions and such evils as might have ensued upon further connivance at these turbulene Impostors I shall conclude with the Judgements of two known learned and judicious men one of which is yet living and able to plead for the Truth and himself Master OWEN in his Discourse of Toleration hath this Passage Page 32. THere are saith he a sort of persons termed in Scripture disorderly vagabond wandring irregular persons 1. Thes. 5. 14. Acts 17. 5. 2 Thess. 3. 2. 1. Tim. 1. 9. Fixed to no Calling abiding in no place taking no care of their Families that under a pretence of teaching the Truth without Mission without Call without Warrant uncommanded undesired do goe up and down from place to place creeping into houses c. Now that such wayes as these and Persons in these wayes may judicially be inquired into I no way doubt The Storie is famous of Sesostris King of Egypt who made a Law that all the Subjects of his Kingdome should once a yeare give an account of their way and manner of living and if any was found to spend his time idly he was certainly punished And the Lawes of most Nations have provided that their people shall not be wanderers and whosoever hath not a place of abode and imployment is by them a punishable vagabond And in this by experience of the wayes walking and converse of such persons I am exceedingly confirmed I did as yet never observe any other issue upon such undertakers but scandal to Religion and trouble to men in their Civil relations when men by the practise of any vice or sin draw others to a pretended Religion or by pretence of Religion draw men to any vice or sinne let them be twice punished for their reall vices and pretended Religion Thus far Master Owen Master COTTON of New England touching the controversie of Libertie of Conscience in matters of Religion Page 7. layeth down this Position for Truth IF a man hold forth saith he or professe any Errour or false way with a boysterous and arrogant Spirit to the disturbance of civil Peace he may justly he punished according to the qualitie and measure of his disturbance caused by him and page 8. He saith the Scripture forbids not to drive ravenous Wolves from the sheep-fold and to restrain them from devouring the sheep of Christ and Page 9. He saith we acknowledge that none is to be punished for his Conscience though misinformed unlesse his Errour be fundamental and seditiously and turbulently promoted and further we acknowledge none ought to be constrained to believe or professe the true Religion till he be convinced in judgement of the Truth of it but yet restrained he may be from blaspheming the truth and from seducing any into pernicious Errors The End A BRIEF REPLY To some part Of a very scurrilous and lying Pamphlet CALLED Sauls errand TO DAMASCUS SHEWING The vanitie of the praises there attributed to the Sect of the Quakers and Falsitie of their Relations which are nought else but the breathings of a spirit of Malice Psal. 35. 20. They speak not Peace but devise deceitfull matters against them that are quiet in the Land LONDON Printed by T. R. for H. R. at the signe of the three Pigeons in Pauls Church-yard 1653. To the Reader THere is an unlicensed Pamphlet called Sauls errand to Damascus lately procured to be Printed wherein diverse Ministers of Westmerland and Lancashire are falsly aspersed and maliciously belied and traduced Had it not been for the clearing of their Innocency and the discovery of the falsities contained in that Book too apt in this credulous age to be believed as whatsoever is spoken against a Minister there had not been one word written in answer to it And for the rest of that Book that concerns us not I should be loath to betray my indiscretion so far as to attempt a full answer to such a heap of words or to trouble any judicious Reader with such fruitless contests Good Readers you have that Book by you or can think it worth your buying or perusal let me intreat you to read it with some observation of the Contents And if you be men whose inner man hath been indeed illuminated by the good spirit of the Lord and the knowledge of the Truth or whose reason hath been at all refined or polisht by learning or good education you will easily perceive by what they have to say for themselves that they are men whose knowledge is science falsly so called that these men are blind Leaders that while they pretend to be full of the Spirit full of Light and Revelations they are led a captive prey to the spirit of lies that spirit that workes in the children of disobedience that they walk in thick darkness that they go they know not whither and speak they know not what Something they would say to clear themselves of those blasphemies and cursed speeches they have been overheard to utter and have bin deposed upon oath against them both in Westmerland and Lancashire if they could tell how Flatly deny them they cannot they do not you wil even wonder to see how they bungle out an answer You wil admire at their impertinencies inconsistencies irrational insensate misty expressions as ambiguous sometimes as the devils oracles and stand amazed to see their impudence and how magistically they can revile censure to the pit of hel how boldly they dare avouch an error and offer a rape upon the holy Text wrest and misapply it and father their heretical absurd tenets assertions on it that in Print even
that the Guides of this Sect notwithstanding their faire pretensions of an immediate call and extraordinary Mission and the great Opinion their followers have conceived of them are not the servants of the Lord Jesus but in very deed the Emissaries and Ministers of Satan and that their way is not the good old way the way of God but as contrary to it as darknesse to the light I shall take some paines to acquaint my Reader 1. With the cursed Blasphemies which George Fox the Grand Master of this Faction and some others have uttered 2. With some of those Doctrines of Devils damnable Heresies and dangerous Errors which their speakers have disseminated and wherewith they have infected their unhappy Disciples 3. With the bitter and rotten fruits of their Doctrine such of their strange impious seditious suspicious insolent and Barbarous practices as have come to my knowledge some of which doe in the judgement of the most sober and intelligent Christians strongly savor of sorcery and the immediate co-operation of the Devill Of the horrid Blasphemies of the Quakers against God and his Christ. George Fox the Father of the Quakers of these parts hath avowed himselfe over and over to be equall with God being asked by Doctor Marshall in the presence of Master Sawro Colonell Tell and Colonell West Justices of the Peace in the County of Lancashire at a private Sessions in the Towne of Lancaster whether or no he was equall with God as he had before that time beene heard to affirme his answer was this I am equall with God This Blasphemy hath been attested upon Oath by the foresayd Doctor Marshall and Master Altam Schoolmaster of Lancaster before the Justices at the last Sessions held at Appleby Ianuary the 8. 1652. and before Judge Puleston at the last Assizes held at Lancaster March the 18. 1652. This Fox in a Booke intituled Sauls Errand to Damascus endeavours to purge himselfe of this and other such cursed speeches layd to his charge but he doth it so woodenly and ambiguously that if there wanted sufficient witnesses his owne bungling answers would to a rationall man declare him guilty And well may he affirme himselfe to be equall with God when he in the foresayd Booke Page eight Line nine and ten layes downe this blasphemous Proposition indefinitely Hee that hath the same Spirit that raised up Iesus Christ from the dead is equall with God The said Fox hath also avowed himselfe to be the Christ yea to be the way the Truth the life George Bickett Isaac Bourne witnesseth At the last Assises above-mentioned at Lancaster Mr. Sawro a Justice of the Peace in that County and an honest Gentleman told Judge Puleston in the open Court that he could produce many would witnesse that Fox had affirmed himselfe to be the Christ. The same also he said in the hearing of an honest Minister in Westmerland who will be ready to attest it when called to it This Fox hath also professed himselfe to be the Judge of the World George Bickett Adam Sands Nathaniel Atkinson witnesseth Yea the Eternall Judge of the World George Bickett witnesseth Iames Nailer another of Satans Nuntioes and principall spokesman in these parts affirmeth that he was as holy just and good as God himself This was I heare attested at Kendall by two witnesses There is a man of good Repute an Inhabitant of Underbarrow in the Barony of Kendall who sayeth many heard this Blasphemy besides himselfe but he thinks being all followers of this Nailer and Fox they will be unwilling to testifie it Iames Milner one of Foxes Disciples in the County of Lancashire professed himselfe to be God and Christ. Thomas Shaw Gerard Shaw George Inman witnesses This mans Advocate I mean that Pamphleteer that took the pains to put forth and procure the printing of that Book called Sauls Errant to Damascus or he that undertook to answer in his behalfe to Salve this his execrable Blasphemy and some wretched Prophesies which are already turned into lyes hath minted this miserable Excuse As for Iames Milner saith he though his mind did run out from his condition and from minding that Light of God which is in him whereby the world takes occasion to speak against the Truth and many Friends stumble at it yet there is a pure Seed in him It seems if a man be of their way though a Blasphemer and false Prophet by their own confession yet with them he is excusable One Williamsons Wife a Disciple of Milners when she came to see him at Appleby said in the hearing of divers there whose names might be here inserted if it was needfull that she was the Eternall Son of God And when the men that heard her told her that she was a woman and therefore could not be the Son of God She said no you are women but I am a man These last words I insert that the Reader may see how strongly the Spirits of some of these people are transported and how ready they are to affirm any thing how ever impious or absurd Of the Erroneous Opinions of the QUAKERS HItherto of their Blasphemies Now for the Doctrines which the Leaders of this Sect have avouched and taught and the Principles they have instilled into their credulous Adhaerents They are some of them Errours of the first Magnitude Fundamentall Errours Others of them though of a lesser size in their own nature yet the understanding Reader will censure them to be such as tend to the disturbance of the Civill Peace as well as that of the Church Others of them again are such light stuff as shewes them to be meer triflers in Religion I shall heare mention such of their Errours onely as I can bring sufficient proofe for either from those that have been Ear-witnesses and are well acquainted with their way or from their own printed Books which are owned and admired by their Disciples 1. They hold that the holy Scripture the Writings of the Prophets Evangelists and Apostles are not the word of God and that there is no written word of God But they say using a foolish distinction of their own coining that they are a declaration of the word onely in those that gave the faith 2. They hold their own speakings are a declaration of the word Christ in them thereby making them though they be for the most part full of impiety and non-sense to be of equall Authority with the holy Scriptures 3. They hold that no Exposition ought to be given of the holy Scripture and that all expounding of Scripture is an adding to it and that God will add to such a one all the plagues written in that Book Opening and applying the Scripture is one thing they mainly declaim against where ever they come 4. They teach poor people that whosoever takes a text of Scripture and makes a Sermon of or from it is a Conjurer and that his preaching is Conjuration Fox in his printed answer to this Sauls Errant Page 7. saith thus
and the turning of the peaceable Assemblies of the Church of Christ into the grossest confusion That their deportment is such and with so continual violence against the most godly of our Ministers in all places in their travels in the streets abusing them with rayling language scornfull behaviour walking usually in Markets with such great numbers together and scarce passing by any not of their judgement without abusive words that it cannot but shew us as no small Symptomes of bad designes so no small reason to provide for our security That it is their great Designe to stir up the spirits of people against the Ministery of England in generall without distinction setting such and sending abroad daily libels and slanders against the Office as needlesse and them as or under the names of Antichrists Antichrists Merchants Tithemongers robbers deceivers Ministers of the world Priests murderers Conjurers Divels and attempting to make Proclamations in the open Markets to the said effect That their main drift is to ingage the people against the Ministery by reason of Tithes crying out with open clamors against Tithes as unlawfull Antichristian to the necessary overturning of the Lawes to that purpose bringing an Odium upon the Government and tending to stir up Sedition in the people to withdraw their due obedience from the Lawes and Government of England That besides what others perhaps may know of the Blasphemies of them we doe plainly see and know that their practices do exceedingly savour of Sorcerie the quakings swellings roarings foamings Such as never we heard of but such as were possessed of the Divell of persons at their meetings and especially of little children giving a sad suspition of it and the more by reason of the known suspitions upon George Fox to deal with the Devil before ever be came to us in these parts That we know the Principles of some of their followers are against Propriety against subjection to Magistrates against distinction amongst men and the practises of the most such that there is a ceasing of relations children prosessedly refusing subjection to their Parents and servants to their Masters That we are sensible what confusions divisions tumults and parties made by these disturbances and cannot but with sadnesse of spirit remember that such small beginnings have in other Nations grown to eat out their peace and stagger the foundation of their states as also we lay it before you what advantage it gives to the common Enemy how it weakens the Parliaments interest in the peoples hearts to see such people unrestrained creates discontents and layeth a clear foundation for civil wars or at least advantage to the Hollander or French now in Arms against us to carry on their wicked intentions with greater facility As you are therefore Christians and English Magistrates we as free-born Men of England and discerning something more as instruments under God with others of our present Peace doe beg and challenge from you 1. Your timely looking unto the Peace of England that is seeming too evidently to be endeavoured to be rent asunder 2. The protection of our selves and our Ministers from violence disturbance in our worship of God and suppression of offenders 3. Execution of the Statute against Sabboth-breakers and such as under pretence of Religion are in no Religious Assembly that day 4. Charge to all differing Iudgements to meet together such Lords Dayes peaceably and not to spread themselves to severall places for disturbance suppression of persons being without any calling 5. And your witnessing against all Blaspemies of the Name of God especially such as are contained in the Act of Parliament And if the Application of an effectual remedy lie not within your Power that you will please to joyn with us in this desire and transmit the case to the knowledge of the Right Honourable the Councel of State as a case so nearly concerning the Peace of England And we shall ever pray When this last Petition was read Mr. Coale was called for and examined what disturbances he had received or could witnesse He told the Justices he came thither to beg the States Protection and not to endeavour the prejudice of any mans person and that the Petitioners did challenge protection as their Native right and purchased due and as what he knew was the mind of the Parliament and that he desired no more for himselfe in this respect then he did for those of differing judgements onely craved that we in our severall Congregations might worship God without disturbance and affronts It is known to the whole Bench and present Multitude that he perswaded with the Justices that he might not instance in any of these particular publicke disturbances by naming the persons till they had promised to pardon what was past which was done Upon which Master Coale instanced in severall men and women whose uncivil unchristian boysterous carriages in publicke Assemblies and turbulent spirits fully speake what freedome might be expected to be given to our Congregations if they might sway the Nation according to their wills And that the spirit of Persecution rests indeed in their brests what ever strang nesse they pretend to it and notwithstanding their untrue complaints of suffering of it Orders being given by these Gentlemen that then sate in the Bench for the peaceable preaching of the Gospel Master Pearson asked Nayler this question How comes it to passe saith he that people at your meetings doe sometimes fall unto such horrid quakings and tremblings The Scriptures said Nayler witnesse the same condition in the Saints formerly as in David Daniel Habakkuk and others Master Coale replied that David also sometimes saith His bones were out of joynt and broken yet notwithhanding his bones were sound Nayler then instanced again In the trembling of Moses and Habakkuk and Paul Master Coale told him it was true yet he might understand that in Scripture these words of quaking and trembling were not alwayes taken in a litterall sense but did signifie that trembling of Spirit and horrour of Conference 〈◊〉 God did bring upon the soul in the sense of sinne and his displeasure the breaking of the bones of our comfort and shaking of the souls strongest confidences Sometimes again he said they were to be taken literally as in Moses Paul c. But then they were upon occasion or a more extraordinary Manifestation of the Majesty and Glory of God appearing to them which was an Act of Extraordinary Providence and not the Lords ordinary work Nayler replyed that they viz. that fel into the quaking fits among them also saw the Glory of God but saith he did they Moses and Paul c. see it with their bodily eyes Yea said Master Coale Moses did see the Glory of God upon Mount Sinai with his bodily eyes and not onely he but also the whole Host of Israell and desired they might not see that sight any more Nayler said How then is it said Who can see the Face of God and live Master Coale answered