Selected quad for the lemma: justice_n

Word A Word B Word C Word D Occurrence Frequency Band MI MI Band Prominent
justice_n law_n lord_n sergeant_n 2,779 5 10.7577 5 false
View all documents for the selected quad

Text snippets containing the quad

ID Title Author Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication) STC Words Pages
A70490 Londons liberties, or, A learned argument of law and reason, before the Lord Mayor, Court of Aldermen, and Common-Council, at Guild-Hall between Mr. Maynard, now the Kings eldest serjeant at law, Mr. Hales, late Lord Chief Justice of the Kings Bench, and Mr. Wilde, lately one of the justices of the same court, of council for the Livery-men of London, and Major John Wildman, and Mr. John Price, of council for the Freemen of London : wherein the freedom of the citizens of London in their elections of their mayor, sheriffs, aldermen, and common-council-men, is fully debated, their most ancient charters examined, and on both hands agreed to be but a confirmation of their former rights : with their opinions concerning the forfeiture of Londons charter. Maynard, John, Sir, 1602-1690.; Wildman, John, Sir, 1621?-1693.; Wilde, William, Sir, 1611?-1679.; Hale, Matthew, Sir, 1609-1676. 1682 (1682) Wing L2936B; ESTC R14306 40,443 37

There are 3 snippets containing the selected quad. | View original text

london_n liberty_n or_o a_o learned_a argument_n of_o law_n and_o reason_n before_o the_o lord_n mayor_n court_n of_o alderman_n and_o common-council_n at_o guild-hall_n between_o mr._n maynard_n now_o the_o king_n elder_a sergeant_n at_o law_n mr._n hales_n late_a lord_n chief_a justice_n of_o the_o kings-bench_n and_o mr._n wilde_n late_o one_o of_o the_o justice_n of_o the_o same_o court_n of_o council_n for_o the_o livery-man_n of_o london_n and_o major_a john_n wildman_n and_o mr._n john_n price_n of_o council_n for_o the_o freeman_n of_o london_n wherein_o the_o freedom_n of_o the_o citizen_n of_o london_n in_o their_o election_n of_o their_o mayor_n sheriff_n alderman_n and_o common-council-man_n be_v full_o debate_v their_o most_o ancient_a charter_n examine_v and_o on_o both_o hand_n agree_v to_o be_v but_o a_o confirmation_n of_o their_o former_a right_n with_o their_o opinion_n concern_v the_o forfeiture_n of_o london_n charter_n london_n print_v for_o r._n read_v 1682._o the_o preface_n the_o unusual_a method_n that_o have_v be_v make_v use_n of_o in_o the_o election_n of_o sheriff_n for_o london_n and_o middlesex_n for_o the_o year_n ensue_v have_v raise_v great_a dispute_n among_o the_o citizen_n concern_v the_o manner_n of_o choose_v their_o chief_a officer_n and_o those_o dispute_v produce_v great_a heat_n and_o animosity_n i_o think_v it_o my_o duty_n both_o as_o a_o protestant_n and_o a_o englishman_n to_o use_v my_o utmost_a endeavour_n for_o put_v a_o end_n to_o such_o dispute_n that_o so_o the_o cause_n be_v remove_v the_o effect_n may_v cease_v to_o this_o purpose_n i_o suppose_v the_o publication_n of_o the_o follow_a sheet_n will_v be_v judge_v very_o seasonable_a by_o all_o unbiased_a man_n for_o whereas_o these_o dispute_n and_o heat_n have_v engender_v many_o phamphlet_n which_o have_v rather_o add_v fuel_n to_o then_o extinguish_v the_o difference_n that_o have_v happen_v upon_o this_o occasion_n between_o the_o citizen_n that_o adhere_v to_o the_o lord_n mayor_n and_o those_o that_o adhere_v to_o the_o sheriff_n methinks_v this_o argument_n though_o now_o almost_o two_o and_o thirty_o year_n old_a seem_v by_o divine_a providence_n to_o have_v be_v calculate_v for_o decide_v the_o difference_n aforesaid_a and_o i_o question_v not_o this_o good_a effect_n if_o man_n will_v lay_v aside_o passion_n and_o prejudice_n and_o entire_o resign_v themselves_o to_o the_o conduct_n of_o law_n and_o reason_n upon_o both_o which_o we_o can_v doubt_v but_o the_o argument_n be_v found_v unless_o we_o shall_v suspect_v want_n of_o skill_n in_o those_o three_o great_a oracle_n of_o the_o law_n one_o of_o who_o be_v the_o late_a incomparable_a lord_n chief_a justice_n of_o the_o court_n of_o kings-bench_n another_o one_o of_o the_o justice_n of_o the_o same_o court_n and_o the_o three_o now_o live_v his_o majesty_n elder_a sergeant_n at_o law_n and_o certain_o if_o any_o man_n shall_v be_v so_o absurd_a as_o to_o affirm_v that_o any_o one_o of_o these_o three_o much_o more_o that_o all_o three_o of_o they_o joint_o shall_v be_v mistake_v in_o a_o argument_n of_o such_o consequence_n he_o will_v discover_v more_o ignorance_n than_o malice_n august_n 26._o 1650._o the_o report_n of_o the_o committee_n appoint_v for_o examination_n of_o the_o state_n of_o the_o chamber_n of_o london_n about_o 1630._o we_o find_v the_o chamber_n to_o be_v indebt_v about_o the_o sum_n of_o 050000_o 00_o 00_o at_o michaelmass_n 1649._o the_o account_n of_o the_o chamber_n be_v then_o cast_v up_o the_o chamber_n be_v then_o in_o debt_n viz._n to_o orphan_n 169654_o 01_o 05½_n 264066_o 14_o 09½_n to_o other_o person_n for_o principal_a money_n 094412_o 13_o 04_o the_o mean_n whereby_o it_o come_v into_o debt_n be_v either_o extraordinary_a or_o ordinary_a extraordinary_n anno_fw-la  _fw-fr l._n s._n d._n  _fw-fr a_o gold_n cup_n give_v the_o prince_n 001191_o 04_o 05_o 1633._o present_v give_v to_o the_o king_n queen_n and_o prince_z 003260_o 00_o 00_o 1634._o a_o jewel_n give_v the_o queen_n 004000_o 00_o 00_o 1634._o entertainment_n of_o the_o king_n and_o queen_n at_o merchant-ta●lors-hall_n 001287_o 12_o 08_o 1634._o christen_v the_o duke_n of_o york_n 000633_o 00_o 00_o 1639._o a_o cup_n of_o gold_n give_v the_o queen_n mother_n and_o other_o charge_n 001000_o 00_o 00_o 1639._o charge_n of_o the_o charter_n 002355_o 00_o 00_o 1639._o give_v the_o king_n 010000_o 00_o 00_o 1639._o composition_n for_o package_n and_o scavage_a 004000_o 00_o 00_o 1649._o composition_n for_o london-derry_n 012000_o 00_o 00_o 1639._o to_o the_o repair_n of_o st._n paul_n 000600_o 00_o 00_o 1642._o entertainment_n of_o the_o king_n and_o queen_n 001786_o 00_o 00_o  _fw-fr for_a building_n the_o bridge_n 006400_o 00_o 00_o  _fw-fr for_a ship-money_n and_o set_v out_o ship_n to_o sea_n 017218_o 00_o 00_o  _fw-fr by_o gift_n and_o reward_n to_o officer_n for_o 20_o year_n at_o 1200_o l._n per_fw-la annum_fw-la 024000_o 00_o 00_o  _fw-fr by_o several_a bad_a debt_n 089730_o 17_o 01_o  _fw-fr  _fw-fr 071739_o 14_o 01_o ordinary_n charge_n for_o marshal_n cause_n for_o twenty_o year_n 035278_o 00_o 00_o for_o interest-money_n pay_v 20_o year_n at_o 6000_o l._n per_fw-la annum_fw-la 120000_o 00_o 00_o by_o deliver_v up_o bond_n to_o be_v cancel_v by_o act_n of_o common-council_n in_o 1640._o to_o several_a person_n for_o money_n lend_v they_o out_o of_o the_o chamber_n 20_o year_n before_o about_o 30000_o l._n principal_a in_o all_o with_o interest_n 060000_o 00_o 00_o for_o officer_n stand_v fee_n for_o about_o 20_o year_n at_o 1400_o l._n per_fw-la an._n 028000_o 00_o 00_o for_o workmen_n wage_n for_o 20_o year_n at_o 1000_o l._n per_fw-la annum_fw-la 020000_o 00_o 00_o stuff_n for_o reparation_n for_o about_o 20_o year_n at_o 1600_o l._n per_fw-la annum_fw-la 030400_o 00_o 00_o the_o total_a sum_n give_v lose_v and_o expend_v for_o about_o 20_o year_n be_v 455148_o 11_o 02_o present_n mr._n sheriff_n pack_n mr._n ald._n chiverton_n col._n mumering_n mr._n cole_n mr._n barbone_n mr._n dallison_n mr._n ald._n hayes_n mr._n ald._n titchborne_n mr._n gibbs_n mr._n bolt●n_n mr._n adam_n mr._n manton_n august_n 26._o 1650._o those_o man_n be_v very_o sensible_a of_o this_o horrid_a abuse_n of_o the_o city_n that_o the_o chamber_n which_o have_v be_v esteem_v like_o that_o among_o the_o roman_n a_o sacred_a treasury_n for_o safety_n and_o pity_v the_o orphan_n cry_n and_o search_v how_o the_o city_n come_v to_o be_v thus_o bankrupt_a it_o be_v find_v that_o the_o chief_a officer_n have_v be_v very_o faulty_a and_o thereupon_o it_o be_v consider_v how_o they_o be_v elect_v and_o there_o arise_v the_o question_n about_o the_o right_n of_o elect_v the_o chief_a officer_n of_o the_o city_n and_o it_o come_v into_o debate_n whether_o the_o livery-man_n ought_v to_o be_v the_o elector_n as_o now_o they_o be_v thereupon_o the_o company_n of_o london_n petition_v the_o court_n that_o they_o may_v continue_v their_o elective_a power_n and_o divers_a freeman_n of_o the_o city_n petition_v for_o the_o abolish_n that_o power_n of_o the_o livery_n or_o company_n the_o petition_n be_v these_o to_o the_o right_n honourable_a the_o lord_n mayor_n of_o the_o city_n of_o london_n and_o to_o the_o right_n worshipful_a the_o alderman_n his_o brethren_n and_o the_o commons_o in_o common-council_n assemble_v the_o humble_a petition_n of_o the_o several_a company_n and_o society_n of_o the_o city_n of_o london_n humble_o show_v that_o whereas_o it_o appear_v that_o heretofore_o for_o divers_a year_n many_o great_a difference_n do_v arise_v within_o this_o city_n touch_v the_o election_n of_o the_o lord_n mayor_n and_o sheriff_n to_o the_o great_a disturbance_n of_o the_o peace_n thereof_o the_o say_v election_n be_v make_v divers_a and_o several_a way_n and_o with_o continual_a alteration_n and_o often_o disturbance_n viz._n in_o the_o seven_o year_n of_o king_n edward_n the_o three_o by_o the_o mayor_n and_o alderman_n together_o with_o the_o most_o sufficient_a man_n of_o every_o ward_n in_o the_o eight_o year_n of_o the_o say_a king_n as_o the_o king_n proclamation_n then_o command_v by_o the_o alderman_n and_o the_o most_o discreet_a and_o able_a citizen_n of_o the_o city_n in_o the_o twenty_o year_n of_o that_o king_n by_o the_o mayor_n and_o all_o the_o alderman_n and_o twelve_o eight_o or_o six_o of_o every_o ward_n according_a as_o the_o ward_n shall_v be_v great_a or_o small_a of_o the_o rich_a and_o wise_a man_n of_o every_o ward_n in_o the_o fifty_o year_n of_o the_o say_a king_n by_o a_o certain_a number_n of_o the_o good_a man_n of_o the_o several_a mystery_n their_o name_n be_v certify_v by_o the_o several_a company_n in_o the_o eight_o year_n of_o king_n richard_n the_o second_o by_o the_o common-council_n and_o the_o most_o sufficient_a man_n of_o the_o city_n in_o the_o nine_o year_n of_o that_o
or_o about_o government_n can_v give_v a_o right_a to_o that_o power_n all_o the_o foundation_n of_o just_a government_n be_v overturn_v and_o by_o consequence_n it_o be_v not_o right_a or_o just_a to_o take_v away_o a_o usurp_a power_n if_o the_o usurper_n be_v grow_v old_a next_o the_o gentleman_n be_v please_v before_o he_o come_v to_o his_o material_a argument_n to_o insinuate_v strange_a huge_a dreadful_a monstruous_a consequence_n that_o will_v ensue_v in_o case_n any_o man_n shall_v deny_v his_o assertion_n he_o be_v plead_v to_o say_v what_o strange_a consequence_n will_v ensue_v if_o we_o shall_v say_v for_o 190_o year_n all_o the_o lord_n mayor_n or_o sheriff_n of_o the_o city_n of_o london_n have_v be_v unlawful_o choose_v but_o suppose_v that_o which_o he_o suggest_v that_o the_o mayor_n have_v be_v choose_v unlawful_o so_o long_o it_o be_v time_n then_o to_o provide_v for_o a_o lawful_a choice_n and_o the_o continuance_n of_o the_o unlawful_a will_v breed_v more_o of_o m._n maynard_n monstruous_a consequence_n and_o if_o it_o be_v unlawful_a it_o be_v not_o forbear_v to_o say_v so_o that_o will_v amend_v the_o consequence_n but_o now_o the_o gentleman_n come_v to_o his_o position_n and_o say_v that_o this_o government_n that_o be_v now_o be_v lawful_a the_o gentleman_n may_v have_v please_v to_o have_v spare_v that_o i_o do_v not_o yet_o assert_v that_o the_o government_n that_o be_v now_o be_v unlawful_a yet_o he_o may_v take_v some_o answer_n to_o his_o argument_n or_o rather_o authority_n for_o the_o legality_n of_o it_o the_o one_a ground_n he_o build_v upon_o for_o the_o lawfulness_n of_o this_o government_n be_v the_o opinion_n of_o the_o judge_n which_o make_v a_o huge_a cry_n but_o by_o the_o way_n the_o question_n be_v not_o now_o concern_v the_o government_n but_o only_o concern_v the_o chooser_n or_o electer_n of_o the_o governor_n the_o government_n may_v be_v the_o same_o still_o though_o the_o manner_n and_o way_n of_o elect_v these_o governor_n may_v be_v alter_v from_o what_o it_o be_v at_o present_a yet_o to_o that_o opinion_n of_o the_o judge_n which_o make_v the_o great_a noise_n in_o the_o court_n oh_o say_v he_o it_o be_v the_o opinion_n of_o all_o the_o learned_a judge_n and_o then_o he_o paraphrase_n upon_o the_o goodness_n honesty_n learning_n and_o fame_n of_o the_o judge_n that_o be_v name_v in_o the_o book_n produce_v it_o may_v be_v those_o gentleman_n of_o the_o long_a robe_n be_v black-swan_n yet_o the_o argument_n from_o authority_n be_v none_o of_o the_o strong_a it_o be_v not_o a_o very_a good_a consequence_n that_o the_o thing_n be_v just_a because_o good_a man_n think_v so_o yet_o under_o favour_n the_o opinion_n of_o the_o judge_n i_o take_v to_o be_v not_o the_o most_o certain_a or_o unalterable_a among_o man_n nor_o the_o most_o unbiased_a by_o their_o own_o interest_n i_o believe_v if_o a_o man_n shall_v go_v to_o the_o 12_o judge_n he_o shall_v scarce_o find_v 4_o or_o 3_o of_o the_o 12_o of_o the_o same_o opinion_n in_o a_o dubious_a case_n yet_o if_o there_o be_v more_o that_o agree_v the_o late_a opinion_n of_o the_o judge_n in_o the_o case_n of_o ship-money_n may_v inform_v we_o how_o free_a the_o judge_n opinion_n be_v from_o the_o bias_n of_o private_a interest_n in_o such_o 〈…〉_z how_o fit_a it_o be_v for_o we_o to_o depend_v upon_o they_o but_o however_o the_o opinion_n of_o the_o ●●ges_n produce_v by_o mr._n maynard_n i_o crave_v leave_n to_o affirm_v to_o be_v against_o he_o in_o this_o case_n at_o least_o not_o for_o he_o i_o desire_v it_o may_v be_v read_v the_o case_n of_o corporation_n touch_v the_o election_n of_o governor_n in_o the_o four_o of_o the_o lord_n cook_n report_v fol._n 77_o 78._o in_o the_o same_o term_n at_o serjeants-inn_n in_o fleet_n street_n it_o be_v demand_v of_o the_o chief_a justice_n popham_n and_o anderson_n and_o periam_n chief_a baron_n &_o of_o the_o other_o justice_n that_o where_o divers_a city_n burrough_n &_o town_n be_v incorporate_a by_o charter_n whether_o by_o the_o name_n of_o the_o mayor_n &_o commonalty_n or_o the_o mayor_n &_o burgess_n &_o of_o the_o bailiff_n &_o burgess_n etc._n etc._n or_o the_o alderman_n &_o burgess_n or_o the_o provost_n &_o sheriff_n or_o burgess_n or_o the_o like_a &_o in_o the_o say_a charter_n it_o be_v prescribe_v that_o the_o mayor_n bailiff_n alderman_n provost_n shall_v be_v choose_v by_o the_o commonalty_n or_o burgess_n &_o of_o the_o ancient_a &_o usual_a election_n of_o mayor_n baiiff_n provost_n &_o by_o a_o certain_a choose_a number_n of_o the_o chief_a of_o the_o commonalty_n or_o of_o the_o burgess_n common_o call_v the_o common_a council_n or_o by_o other_o name_n &_o not_o in_o general_a by_o all_o the_o commonalty_n or_o burgess_n or_o not_o by_o so_o many_o of_o they_o as_o will_v come_v to_o the_o election_n shall_v be_v good_a in_o law_n forasmuch_o as_o by_o these_o word_n of_o the_o charter_n the_o election_n shall_v be_v indefinite_o by_o the_o commonalty_n or_o all_o the_o burgess_n and_o which_o question_n be_v of_o great_a importance_n and_o consequence_n be_v refer_v by_o the_o lord_n of_o the_o council_n to_o the_o justice_n to_o know_v the_o law_n in_o that_o case_n for_o that_o divers_a attempt_n be_v now_o of_o late_a in_o divers_a corporation_n contrary_a to_o the_o ancient_a usage_n to_o make_v popular_a election_n &_o it_o be_v resolve_v by_o the_o justice_n upon_o great_a deliberation_n and_o upon_o conference_n have_v among_o themselves_o that_o such_o ancient_a usual_a election_n be_v good_a and_o well_o warrant_v by_o their_o charter_n and_o by_o the_o law_n also_o for_o in_o every_o of_o their_o charter_n they_o have_v power_n give_v they_o to_o make_v law_n ordinance_n &_o constitution_n for_o the_o better_a government_n &_o order_n of_o their_o city_n or_o burrough_n &_o by_o force_n of_o which_o &_o for_o avoid_v popular_a confusion_n they_o by_o their_o common_a assent_n constitute_v or_o ordain_v that_o the_o mayor_n bailisf_n or_o other_o principal_a officer_n shall_v be_v choose_v by_o one_o certain_a select_a number_n of_o the_o principal_a of_o the_o commonalty_n or_o of_o the_o burgess_n as_o be_v aforesaid_a &_o prescribe_v also_o how_o such_o select_a number_n shall_v choose_v &_o such_o ordinance_n &_o constitution_n be_v resolve_v to_o be_v good_a &_o allowable_a &_o agreeable_a with_o the_o law_n &_o their_o charter_n for_o avoid_v of_o popular_a disorder_n &_o confusion_n &_o although_o that_o no_o such_o constitution_n or_o ordinance_n can_v be_v show_v yet_o it_o shall_v be_v presume_v &_o intend_v in_o respect_n of_o such_o special_a manner_n of_o ancient_a &_o continual_a election_n which_o special_a election_n be_v not_o begin_v without_o common_a consent_n that_o at_o the_o first_o la●e_n ordinance_n or_o constitution_n be_v make_v such_o reverend_a respect_n of_o law_n do_v give_v to_o ancient_a &_o continual_a allowance_n &_o usage_n as_o it_o have_v be_v within_o time_n of_o memory_n and_o the_o custom_n of_o most_o faithful_a antiquity_n be_v to_o be_v esteem_v the_o thing_n which_o be_v do_v contrary_a to_o the_o custom_n &_o usage_n of_o the_o ancient_n either_o please_v or_o seem_v right_a &_o the_o frequency_n of_o the_o act_n premise_v much_o and_o according_a to_o that_o resolution_n the_o ancient_a and_o continual_a usage_n have_v be_v in_o the_o city_n of_o london_n &_o norwich_n and_o other_o ancient_a city_n &_o corporation_n and_o god_n defend_v that_o they_o shall_v be_v now_o innovate_v or_o alter_v for_o that_o many_o and_o great_a inconvenience_n will_v arise_v upon_o the_o same_o all_o which_o the_o law_n have_v well_o prevent_v as_o appear_v by_o that_o resolution_n first_o my_o lord_n observe_z that_o the_o question_v here_o resolve_v be_v not_o our_o question_n the_o question_n here_o resolve_v be_v this_o whether_o a_o election_n of_o a_o mayor_n not_o make_v by_o all_o the_o commonalty_n in_o a_o corporation_n or_o at_o least_o as_o many_o as_o will_v come_v be_v good_a in_o law_n but_o our_o present_a question_n be_v only_o this_o whether_o the_o commonalty_n of_o this_o city_n ought_v not_o to_o have_v their_o representer_n to_o choose_v the_o lord_n mayor_n so_o that_o we_o do_v grant_v that_o a_o election_n not_o make_v by_o all_o the_o commonalty_n may_v be_v good_a now_o my_o lord_n observe_v the_o judge_n resolution_n of_o the_o question_n they_o resolve_v that_o a_o election_n make_v by_o the_o mayor_n and_o alderman_n and_o a_o certain_a choose_a number_n of_o the_o choice_n of_o the_o commonalty_n be_v good_a in_o law_n we_o concur_v with_o the_o judge_n keep_v close_o to_o their_o word_n a_o certain_a choose_a number_n of_o the_o commonalty_n &_o to_o those_o other_o word_n of_o they_o viz._n such_o ancient_a usual_a election_n that_o be_v to_o
every_o ward_n and_o then_o for_o the_o exposition_n of_o the_o ward_n moat_n whereas_o they_o say_v some_o foreigner_n may_v choose_v yea_o they_o may_v infer_v as_o well_o foreigner_n may_v be_v choose_v to_o that_o i_o answer_v many_o man_n may_v be_v summon_v together_o about_o business_n &_o some_o of_o they_o may_v have_v a_o right_n to_o some_o thing_n there_o in_o hand_n &_o some_o may_v not_o we_o have_v a_o precedent_n once_o one_o that_o be_v no_o freeman_n be_v choose_v to_o be_v a_o sheriff_n of_o london_n and_o because_o he_o be_v no_o freeman_n therefore_o the_o election_n be_v null_a so_o though_o it_o be_v grant_v that_o every_o particular_a man_n of_o every_o ward_n be_v summon_v to_o come_v to_o the_o ward-moat_n yet_o it_o do_v not_o follow_v that_o he_o have_v a_o right_a to_o all_o the_o work_n to_o be_v do_v in_o that_o court_n again_o for_o the_o popularity_n and_o consequence_n which_o they_o so_o much_o plead_v that_o will_v every_o whit_n reflect_v upon_o this_o honourable_a court_n for_o every_o member_n of_o this_o honourable_a court_n be_v choose_v by_o that_o party_n which_o they_o call_v popular_a therefore_o let_v they_o speak_v of_o that_o till_o to_o morrow_n morning_n all_o will_v reflect_v upon_o you_o that_o which_o be_v now_o plead_v for_o be_v custom_n three_o that_o this_o have_v be_v the_o practice_n for_o 180_o year_n i_o do_v not_o deny_v but_o i_o do_v not_o grant_v it_o suppose_v we_o do_v grant_v it_o and_o yet_o we_o bring_v a_o practice_n for_o within_o 12_o year_n that_o be_v another_o practice_n whether_o a_o intermission_n of_o practice_n do_v not_o rend_v that_o which_o be_v call_v custom_n i_o humble_o offer_v for_o my_o part_n i_o do_v not_o offer_v the_o argument_n of_o conveniency_n in_o relation_n to_o the_o present_a practice_n but_o according_a to_o this_o principle_n i_o argue_v against_o the_o unreasonableness_n of_o this_o privilege_n that_o these_o gentleman_n will_v have_v to_o this_o right_n and_o not_o by_o authority_n of_o this_o court._n again_o they_o say_v that_o if_o election_n be_v by_o the_o ward_n man_n will_v plead_v thus_o why_o not_o 50_o or_o 100_o as_o well_o as_o 6_o 8_o or_o 12_o again_o they_o urge_v that_o livery-man_n be_v call_v the_o commonalty_n but_o how_o apt_o and_o how_o fit_o we_o offer_v unto_o you_o to_o determine_v major_a wildman_n reply_n may_v it_o please_v your_o lordship_n and_o this_o honourable_a court_n to_o give_v i_o leave_v to_o make_v some_o answer_n to_o what_o the_o learned_a gentleman_n on_o the_o other_o side_n have_v please_v to_o object_n and_o take_v exception_n at_o what_o be_v affirm_v i_o shall_v not_o my_o lord_n endeavour_v as_o that_o gentleman_n do_v captare_fw-la benevolentiam_fw-la to_o take_v the_o affection_n of_o the_o people_n before_o i_o begin_v to_o debate_v the_o matter_n in_o question_n i_o shall_v not_o tell_v they_o that_o i_o will_v not_o insinuate_v into_o their_o mind_n any_o thing_n but_o what_o will_v stand_v upon_o the_o foundation_n of_o truth_n but_o offer_v my_o thought_n and_o free_o submit_v to_o your_o judgement_n yet_o i_o hope_v to_o answer_v particular_o m._n maynard_n exception_n he_o be_v please_v first_o to_o take_v exception_n at_o that_o general_a principle_n that_o i_o aver_v from_o whence_o i_o say_v may_v be_v deduce_v the_o right_n of_o all_o the_o ward_n to_o choose_v the_o lord_n mayor_n and_o sheriff_n by_o their_o representative_n though_o the_o gentleman_n may_v have_v please_v to_o remember_v i_o do_v say_v i_o will_v wave_v th●se_a principle_n of_o common_a right_n lest_o he_o shall_v say_v we_o intend_v to_o bring_v all_o thing_n to_o a_o uncertainty_n by_o unravel_v the_o bottom_n of_o government_n to_o its_o first_o principle_n and_o therefore_o i_o insist_v upon_o nothing_o but_o what_o we_o claim_v as_o our_o write_a right_n the_o second_o thing_n the_o gentleman_n be_v please_v to_o except_v against_o be_v that_o which_o he_o only_o imagine_v in_o his_o own_o brain_n misrecit_v my_o word_n like_o a_o man_n create_v by_o his_o fancy_n to_o ●ry_v his_o skill_n upon_o for_o he_o suppose_v i_o do_v say_v that_o if_o we_o have_v the_o record_n that_o be_v now_o lose_v we_o doubt_v not_o but_o that_o they_o will_v prove_v the_o assertion_n we_o maintain_v whereas_o i_o say_v if_o we_o have_v the_o record_n of_o those_o time_n that_o be_v lest_o they_o will_v show_v we_o what_o the_o right_n of_o people_n than_o be_v and_o that_o i_o conceive_v to_o be_v without_o execption_n the_o next_o thing_n he_o take_v exception_n against_o be_v what_o i_o say_v concern_v magna_n charta_fw-la and_o will_v make_v this_o court_n believe_v that_o i_o have_v think_v all_o that_o great_a charter_n be_v unalterable_a but_o the_o truth_n be_v i_o do_v only_o say_v that_o magna_fw-la charta_fw-la the_o great_a charter_n of_o england_n be_v unalterable_a according_a to_o the_o principle_n of_o the_o gentleman_n of_o the_o long_a robe_n i_o only_o speak_v it_o upon_o their_o bottom_n i_o say_v if_o i_o shall_v believe_v sir_n edw._n cook_n in_o what_o he_o say_v upon_o the_o statute_n of_o 42_o edw._n 3._o i_o must_v then_o say_v that_o a_o act_n of_o parliament_n make_v contrary_a to_o that_o part_n of_o the_o great_a charter_n that_o be_v declarative_a of_o the_o common_a law_n be_v null_a of_o itself_o for_o he_o say_v that_o part_n of_o it_o be_v unalterable_a thus_o i_o give_v they_o only_o their_o own_o authority_n and_o make_v it_o no_o assertion_n of_o i_o absolute_o though_o under_o his_o favour_n i_o think_v a_o man_n may_v assert_v that_o what_o be_v found_v upon_o the_o true_a common_a law_n of_o england_n as_o sir_n ed._n cook_n say_v which_o be_v right_a reason_n no_o authority_n whatsoever_o ought_v to_o alter_v i_o speak_v not_o of_o circumstance_n for_o if_o we_o shall_v aver_v that_o we_o shall_v aver_v contradiction_n in_o the_o very_a term_n and_o say_v that_o right_a reason_n of_o right_n may_v be_v alter_v from_o right_a reason_n i_o shall_v let_v pass_v what_o the_o gentleman_n be_v please_v to_o say_v of_o the_o law_n be_v edgetool_n and_o of_o man_n cut_v themselves_o with_o they_o i_o believe_v he_o meet_v with_o a_o argument_n for_o the_o people_n right_a that_o be_v a_o edge_n tool_n in_o his_o way_n and_o he_o be_v loath_a to_o break_v his_o shin_n over_o it_o and_o therefore_o he_o pass_v over_o the_o argument_n with_o a_o grave_a caution_n of_o the_o sharpness_n of_o the_o law_n that_o he_o may_v divert_v your_o thought_n from_o it_o but_o the_o gentleman_n come_v a_o little_a near_o to_o the_o matter_n lay_v down_o his_o maxim_n wh●ch_n be_v this_o that_o ever_o since_o the_o 15_o ed._n 4._o these_o livery_n have_v have_v the_o choice_n and_o then_o he_o argue_v thus_o say_v he_o the_o case_n will_v be_v very_o hard_a to_o have_v your_o title_n of_o land_n after_o 190_o year_n possession_n to_o be_v question_v and_o be_v it_o not_o as_o hard_o that_o the_o right_n of_o the_o livery_n to_o election_n shall_v now_o be_v question_v under_o the_o gentleman_n favour_n the_o case_n be_v very_o different_a i_o suppose_v no_o man_n plead_v for_o the_o like_a title_n to_o a_o power_n or_o authority_n over_o the_o people_n that_o man_n have_v to_o their_o land_n nor_o upon_o the_o same_o ground_n if_o the_o title_n be_v alike_o it_o be_v just_a to_o buy_v and_o sell_v authority_n or_o place_n of_o trust_n and_o government_n as_o we_o buy_v and_o sell_v land_n or_o ●orses_n in_o smithfield_n and_o this_o our_o common_a law_n abhor_v if_o we_o speak_v of_o people_n that_o be_v arrant_a mere_a vassal_n like_o the_o slave_n in_o argier_n authority_n over_o they_o be_v indeed_o buy_v and_o sell_v but_o i_o hope_v we_o be_v not_o to_o be_v so_o esteem_v and_o yet_o the_o justice_n of_o those_o bargain_n be_v not_o clear_a but_o certain_o man_n title_n to_o land_n and_o to_o a_o power_n of_o government_n be_v or_o aught_o to_o be_v of_o a_o different_a nature_n and_o i_o shall_v make_v bold_a to_o assert_v that_o it_o be_v no_o hard_a case_n that_o the_o right_n of_o any_o number_n of_o man_n claim_v a_o power_n in_o or_o about_o government_n by_o succession_n only_o shall_v after_o 190_o year_n possession_n be_v question_v suppose_v m._n maynard_n can_v have_v make_v good_a the_o livery_n man_n claim_v to_o the_o election_n of_o the_o chief_a officer_n of_o the_o city_n by_o custom_n but_o than_o he_o must_v have_v more_o than_o double_v the_o time_n of_o the_o usage_n he_o speak_v of_o yet_o i_o humble_o conceive_v that_o the_o exercise_n of_o any_o power_n about_o government_n be_v not_o make_v just_a by_o continuance_n of_o time_n unless_o it_o be_v just_a in_o the_o original_a if_o long_a usurpation_n of_o a_o power_n in_o