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A86467 The grand question concerning the judicature of the House of Peers, stated and argued And the case of Thomas Skinner merchant, complaining of the East India Company, with the proceedings thereupon, which gave occasion to that question, faithfully related. By a true well-wisher to the peace and good government of the kingdom, and to the dignity and authority of parliaments. Holles, Denzil Holles, Baron, 1599-1680. 1669 (1669) Wing H2459; ESTC R202445 76,537 221

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