Jury what their Witnesses had said If your Lordship pleases to remember my Lord Chief Justice Scroggs did observe to the Jury that the Evidence of the Prisoner at the Bar did consist only in Punctilio's of time which as near as I can remember what he says he called a Nicety of time and in Whitebreads Tryal he was pleased to call it Catching in point of time And it was observ'd at Ireland's Tryal that his Defence was so weak that my Lord Chief Justice Scroggs upon the integrity of Bedloe's Evidence and mine uses these words to the Jury though he then endeavoured to do what these Witnesses do now It is most plain the Plot is discovered and that by these men and that it is a Plot and a Villanous one which shews not only the fulness and satisfactoriness of our proof that we gave but does also take notice of the little shifts and catching tricks he made use of to prove himself out of Town which would not weigh with the Court Therefore I observe it is but the same Objection that then was made and is not a new one now And my Lord Chief Justice that then was speaking of that proof he brought which the Court heard with patience but could easily see through the vanity of it said What arts they have of evading this I know not for as they have turn'd their Learning into Subtelty so they have their Religion too All this is well remembred by those that were by and heard that Tryal And though Ireland laboured to disprove me in that circumstance of time yet still the Court did justifie the Evidence that Mr. Bedloe and my self had given And the same Chief Justice said I leave it to you to consider whether you have not as much Evidence from these two men as can be expected in a case of this nature and whether Mr. Oates be not rather justified by the Testimony offered against him than discredited This was after his Plea was debated and considered and I must further observe to your Lordship that though Mr. Ireland by his false Witnesses pressed this matter as far as he could then and urged the Court to believe it yet when the Jury brought in their Verdict and found him Guilty the Chief Justice expressed the satisfaction of the Court in these words You have done Gentlemen like very good Subjects and very good Christians that is to say like very good Protestants and now much good may their 30000 Masses do them This my Lord was the Case of Mr. Ireland at his Tryal and the same point of his being out of Town was again managed before a second Jury at the Tryal of the Five Jesuits but the Court saw the design of the Popish Party to blemish the Evidence given of the Plot but yet they lookt upon it only as a Trick And my Lord Chief Justice Seroggs in summing up the Evidence at that Tryal says They fall foul upon Mr. Oates meaning my self he appears to have been their Agent and whilst so bad enough But if he had not had a mind to have become a good man he would not have done us that good he has done in the discovery of the design they had engaged him in And if your Lordship please to remember that at that Tryal of the Five Jesuites when all arts were used to prove Ireland out of Town and me at St. Omers in the same Charge to the Jury my Lord Scroggs did take notice that the Jesuites were very exact at catching in a point of time but now says that is a thing that no man can precisely charge his memory withal and therefore he does there perswade the Jury that that should not be too strictly the measure of their Judgments about Truth and Falshood by the mistake of seven or eight days For said he to the Jury examine your selves how often every day you do mistake things that have been transacted half a year ago and err in point of time taking one week for another and one month for another and therefore you are not to lay too great a weight upon the point of time Now if too great weight my Lord be not to be laid upon a point of time then this Charge that is now brought against me is not of weight at all And besides my Lord this ought to be considered if this were the great Objection then and then answered it ceases to be an Objection now And as the Court did observe at the summing up of the Evidence that they made their defence about the uncertainty of a point of time which was no defence at all So that my Lord the whole course of my Plea is this 'T is a hard case for a man after six years to be indicted for a circumstance of time I will first offer the Testimony of one Witness that is dead and that is Mr. Bedloe who at his death confirmed all that he had sworn of the Popish Plot to be true and affirmed that he had rather spoken less than the Truth than more and for that I desire that my Lord Keeper may be called who took his dying Examination L. C. J. As for that Mr. Oates it is a thing very well known to the world and particularly to a worthy Gentleman that sits by you pointing to Mr. North that Mr. Bedloe when he was sick did make some such Protestation Oates Then my Lord I desire that Mr. Blayney may be sworn to give an account what Mr. Bedloe testified at Ireland's Tryal Then Mr. Blayney was Sworn Oates Mr. Blayney pray will you see in your Notes of Ireland's Tryal whether Mr. Bedloe did not swear that Mr. Ireland was in Town the latter end of August 78 or the beginning of September Mr. Blayney Where abouts in the Tryal is it Sir Oates It is in the Printed Tryal folio 41. Mr. Blayney My Lord I do finde these words in my Notes that Mr. Bedloe should say about the latter end of August or the beginning of September but I believe it was the latter end of August Mr. Ireland was at Harcourt's Chamber and being ask'd the question by my Lord Chief Justice Scroggs Whether he said it positively it was the latter end of August he said it was in August he would not be positive to a day but he thought the latter end L. C. J. 'T is very well known that too that Bedloe did swear Ireland was in Town the latter end of August or beginning of September and to confirm it upon Mr. Ireland's denial you swore he was in Town the 1st or 2d of September and gave you twenty shillings that was the occasion of your Oath Oates Then my Lord I desire to call some Witnesses to testifie to the Deposition that was taken of Mr. Jennison about Ireland's being then in Town L. C. J. When was that Deposition taken and before whom Oates It was taken in year 79 by Sir Edmund Warcup L. C. J. But we cannot admit that in Evidence unless the Kings
perfect the same their most wicked Treasons and Trayterous Imaginations and purposes aforesaid they the aforesaid Thomas White otherwise Whitebread William Ireland John Fenwick Thomas Pickering and John Grove and other false Traytors to the Jurors unknown the aforesaid 24th day of April in the 30th Year aforesaid with Force and Arms c. at the Parish of St. Giles in the Fields aforesaid in the County of Middlesex aforesaid Falsely Maliciously Subtilly Advisedly Devillishly and Traiterously did Assemble themselves Unite and Congregate and then and there falsly maliciously subtilly advisedly devillishly and traiterously did Consult and Agree our said Sovereign Lord the King to Death and final Destruction to bring and put and the Religion within this Kingdom of England rightly and by the Laws of the same Kingdom establisht to the Superstition of the Romish Church to change and alter And the sooner to compleat and perfect the same their most Wicked Treasons and Trayterous Imaginations and purposes aforesaid the said Thomas White otherwise Whitebread William Ireland John Fenwick Thomas Pickering and John Grove and other false Traytors of our said late Lord the King to the Jurors unknown afterwards to to wit the same 24th day of April in the 30th Year aforesaid at the aforesaid Parish of St. Giles in the Fields in the County of Middlesex aforesaid Falsely Subtilly Advisedly Maliciously Devillishly and Trayterously between themselves did conclude and agree That they the said Thomas Pickering and John Grove Him our said late Lord the King should Kill and Murder and that they the said Thomas White otherwise Whitebread William Ireland John Fenwick and others false Traytors to the Jurors unknown a certain number of Masses between them then and there agreed for the health of the Soul of him the said Thomas Pickering therefore should say celebrate and perform and therefore should pay unto the said John Grove a certain Sum of Money between them then and there agreed And the Jurors aforesaid upon their Oaths aforesaid did further present That the said Thomas Pickering and John Grove upon the agreement aforesaid then and there falsely subtilly advisedly maliciously devillishly and trayterously did take upon themselves and to the same Thomas White otherwise Whitebread William Ireland John Fenwick and other false Traytors against our said Lord the King to the Jurors aforesaid unknown then and there falsely subtilly advisedly maliciously Devillishly and Trayterously did promise that they the said Thomas Pickering and John Grove him our said late Lord the King would Kill and Murder And that they the said Thomas White otherwise Whitebread William Ireland John Fenwick Thomas Pickering John Grove and other false Traytors against our said Lord the King unknown afterwards to wit the same 24th day of April in the 30th Year aforesaid at the aforesaid Parish of St. Giles in the Fields in the County of Middlesex aforesaid falsely subtilly advisedly maliciously devillishly and trayterously did give their faith each to other and upon the Sacrament then and there Trayterously did swear and promise to Conceal and not to divulge their said most wicked Treasons and Trayterous Compassings Consultations and Purposes so between them had him our said late Lord the King Trayterously to kill and murder and the Romish Religion within this Kingdom of England to be used to Introduce and the true Reformed Religion within this Kingdom of England rightly and by the Laws of the said Kingdom Establisht to alter and change And that the said Thomas Pickering and John Grove in Execution of the Trayterous agreement aforesaid afterwards to wit the same 24th day of April in the 30th year aforesaid and diverse days and times after at the aforesaid Parish of St. Giles in the Fields in the County aforesaid Muskets Pistols Swords Daggers and other offensive and Cruel Weapons him the said late Lord the King to kill and murder falsely subtilly advisedly maliciously devillishly and trayterously did prepare and obtain had and kept for themselves and that they the said Thomas Pickering and John Grove afterwards to wit the same 24th day of April in the 30th year aforesaid and diverse days and times after with Force and Arms c. at the Parish aforesaid in the County of Middlesex aforesaid and in other places within the County of Middlesex aforesaid falsely subtilly advisedly maliciously devillishly and trayterously did lye in wait and endeavour our said late Lord the King Trayterously to kill and murder and that the said Thomas White otherwise Whitebread William Ireland John Fenwick and other false Traytours to the Jurors aforesaid unknown afterwards to wit the same 24th day of April in the 30th year aforesaid at the Parish aforesaid in the County of Middlesex aforesaid falsely subtlely advisedly malicitiously and Trayterously did prepare perswade excite abate Comfort and Counsel four other persons to the Jurors unknown and Subjects of our said Lord the King him our said late Lord the King Trayterously to kill and murder against the duty of their Allegiance against the peace of our said Lord the King his Crown and dignity and against the forme of the Statute in such Case made and provided and thereupon it was so far proceeded that afterwards at the Court of Goal-delivery of our said Lord the King at Newgate at Justice Hall in the Old Bayly in the Suburbs of the City of London in the parish of St. Sepulchre in the Ward of Faringdon without London the 17th day of December in the 30th Year aforesaid before the Justices of the said Lord the King of the same Goal-delivery then and there held by Adjournment of the County of Middlesex aforesaid came the said William Ireland Thomas Pickering and John Grove under the Custody of Sir Richard How Knight and Sir John Chapman Knight Sheriff of the County of Middlesex aforesaid into whose Custody for the Cause aforesaid they were before committed Being brought to the Bar there in their proper Persons and presently being severally asked concerning the Premises above Charged upon them how they would acquit themselves the aforesaid William Ireland Thomas Pickering and John Grove did severally say That they were not thereof Guilty and for the same for good and bad they did severally put themselves upon the Country and by a certain Jury of the Country in that behalf duly Impanneld Sworn and Charged then and there in the same Court before the Justices of Goal-delivery aforesaid were tryed and that upon that Tryal between our said late Lord the King and the said William Ireland Thomas Pickering and John Grove at London aforesaid to wit at the Justice-Hall in the Old-Baily aforesaid in the Parish of St. Sepulchre in the Ward of Faringdon without London aforesaid The Defendant Titus Oates late of the Parish of St. Sepulchre aforesaid in the Ward aforesaid Clerk was produced as a Witness on the part of the said late Lord the King upon the Tryal aforesaid and before the said Justices of Goal-Delivery in the Court aforesaid then there held upon the Holy
the Laws of the said Kingdom Established at their Will and Pleasure to change and alter and the State of this whole Kingdom of England through all its parts well instituted and ordered wholly to subvert and destroy and War against our late Lord the King within this Kingdom of England to levy And to perfect and compleat the same their most wicked Treasons and Trayterous Imaginations and purposes They the said Thomas White otherwise Whitebread John Fenwick William Harcourt otherwise Harrison John Gaven Anthony Turner and James Corker and other false Traytours to the Jurors aforesaid unknown the aforesaid 24th day of April in the 30th Year aforesaid with Force and Arms aforesaid at the Parish of St. Giles in the Fields aforesaid in the County of Middlesex aforesaid falsely maliciously subtlely advisedly divellishly and Trayterously did assemble unite and gather themselves together and then and there falsly maliciously subtilly advisedly divellishly and Trayterously did consult consent and agree our said late Lord the King to Death and final Destruction to bring and put and the Religion within this Kingdom of England rightly and by the Laws of the same Kingdom established to change and alter to the superstition of the Church of Rome and the Government of this Kingdom of England to subvert and that one Thomas Pickering and one John Grove him our said late Lord the King should kill and murder and that they the said Thomas White otherwise Whitebread John Fenwick William Harcourt otherwise Harrison John Gaven Anthony Turner James Corker and other false Traytors against our said late Lord the King to the Jurors unknown a certain number of Masses between them then and there agreed upon for the health of the soul of him the said Thomas Pickering therefore should say celebrate and perform and therefore should pay unto the said John Grove a certain Sum of Money between them then and there agreed upon And that the said Thomas White otherwise Whitebread John Fenwick John Gaven Anthony Turner William Harcourt otherwise Harrison and other false Traytors against our said late Lord the King to the Jurors unknown in the further prosecution of the Treasons and Trayterous Consultations and agreements aforesaid afterwards to wit the said 24th day of April in the 30th Year aforesaid at the aforesaid Parish of St. Giles in the Fields in the County of Middlesex aforesaid falsely subtilly advisedly maliciously devillishly Trayterously did severally give their Faith each to other and upon the Sacrament then there Trayterously did swear promise to conceal and not to devulge their said most wicked Treasons and Trayterous Compassings Consultations and purposes aforesaid so between them had him the said late Lord the King Trayterously to kill and murder and to Introduce the Romish Religion to be used within this Kingdom of England and the true Reformed Religion in this Kingdom of England rightly and by the Laws of this Kingdom Established to alter and Change and that the said Thomas VVhite otherwise VVhitebread John Fenwick VVilliam Harcourt otherwise Harrison John Gaven Anthony Turner James Corker and other false Traytors to the Jurors aforesaid unknown in further Prosecution of the Treasons and Trayterous intentions and agreements aforesaid afterwards to wit the said 24th day of April in the 30th Year aforesaid at the Parish aforesaid in the County aforesaid falsly subtilly advisedly maliciously devillishly and Trayterously did prepare perswade excite abet comfort and Counsel four other Persons to the Jurors unknown and Subjects of our said late Lord the King him our said late Lord the King Trayterously to kill and murder against the duty of their Allegiance and against the peace of our said late Lord the King his Crown and Dignity and against the forme of the Statute in that Case made and provided whereupon it was Commanded the Sheriff of the County aforesaid that he should not omit c. But should take them to answer c. Which Indictment the said Justices of our Lord the King afterwards to wit at the Goal-delivery of our said Lord the King of Newgate holden by Adjournment for the County of Middlesex at Justice-Hall in the Old Bayly in the Suburbs of the City of London on Fryday to wit the 13th day of June in the 31st Year aforesaid before Sir James Edwards Knight Mayor of the City of London Sir William Scroggs Knight Lord Chief Justice of his Majesty's Court of King's-Bench Sir Francis North Knight Lord Chief Justice of his Majesty's Court of Common-Pleas Sir Thomas Allen Knight and Baronet one of the Aldermen of the said City of London Sir George Jeffreys Knight Recorder of the said City of London and other their Companions Justices of our said Lord the King assigned to deliver his Goal of Newgate of the Prisoners in the same being by their own proper Hands did deliver there in the Court of Record in form of Law to be determined And thereupon at the said Goal-delivery of our Lord the King of Newgate holden by the Adjournment aforesaid for the County aforesaid at Justice-Hall aforesaid the said Fryday the 13th of June in the 31st Year aforesaid before the aforesaid Justices of our said late Lord the King last named came the said Thomas White otherwise Whitebread John Fenwick William Hartcourt otherwise Harrison John Gaven and Anthony Turner under the Custody of Sir Richard How Knight and Sir John Chapman Knight Sheriff of the County aforesaid into whose Custody for the Cause aforesaid they were before that time Committed being brought to the Bar there in their proper Persons who were committed to the aforesaid Sheriff c. And immediately being severally demanded concerning the premises aforesaid in the Indictment aforesaid specified charg'd upon them as above how they would thereof acquit themselves the said Thomas White otherwise Whitebread John Fenwick William Harcourt otherwise Harrison John Gaven and Anthony Turner did severally say That they were Not thereof Guilty And thereupon for Good and Bad did severally put themselves upon the Country And thereupon upon the Indictment aforesaid last recited at the Session of our Lord the King at the Justice-Hall in the Old-Bayly it was so far proceeded that the Issue aforesaid between our said late Lord the King and the said Thomas White otherwise Whitebread John Fenwick William Harcourt otherwise Harrison John Gaven and Anthony Turner afterwards to wit the aforesaid Fryday the 13th Day of June in the 31st Year aforesaid at Justice-Hall aforesaid by a certain Jury of the Country in that behalf duly Empanell'd Sworn and Charg'd was Tryed and that upon the Tryal of the Issue aforesaid last mentioned between our said late Lord the King and the said Thomas White otherwise Whitebread John Fenwick William Harcourt otherwise Harrison John Gaven and Anthony Turner at London aforesaid to wit at the Justice-Hall in the Old-Bayly aforesaid in the Parish of St. Sepulchre in the Ward of Faringdon Without London aforesaid the said Defendant Titus Oats was also a Witness produced on
behalf of our said late Lord the King upon the Tryal aforesaid upon the Indictment last aforesaid And he the aforesaid Titus Oats then and there at the Session last aforesaid at the Justice-Hall aforesaid in the Court of the same Session to wit at the Parish and Ward aforesaid was duly sworn upon the Holy Gospels of God to speak and testify the Truth the whole Truth and nothing but the Truth of and in the Premises in the Issue aforesaid last mentioned so as aforesaid joyned between our said late Lord the King and the said Thomas White otherwise Whitebread John Fenwick William Harcourt otherwise Harrison John Gaven and Anthony Turner And that the said Titus Oats then and there at the Session aforesaid last mentioned in the Justice-Hall aforesaid in the Court of the same Session upon his Oath aforesaid upon the Indictment last aforesaid by his own proper Act and Consent of his most wicked Mind falsly voluntarily and corruptly did say depose swear and give in Evidence to the Jurors of the Jury aforesaid last mentioned so as aforesaid Sworn and Empanell'd to try the Issue aforesaid between our said late Lord the King and the said Thomas White otherwise Whitebread John Fenwick William Harcourt otherwise Harrison John Gaven and Anthony Turner That William Ireland one William Ireland then before Convicted and Executed for High Treason against our late Lord the King meaning took his Leave of him the said Titus Oats and others at the Chamber of the said William Ireland then being in Russel-Street a certain Street called Russel-Street lying within the City of Westminster in the County of Middlesex meaning between the 8th and 12th Day of August in the Year of our Lord 1678. Whereas in truth and indeed the said William Ireland did not take his Leave of the said Titus Oats or any other Persons whatsoever at the Chamber of the said William Ireland then being in Russel-Street aforesaid between the said 8. and 12. Days of August in the Year of our Lord 1678. And so the said Titus Oats upon the said Fryday the 13th day of June in the 31st Year aforesaid at the Session last aforesaid at the Justice-Hall aforesaid in the Court of the same Session upon the Indictment last aforesaid so put in Issue and Tryed as aforesaid between our said late Lord the King and the said Thomas White otherwise Whitebread John Fenwick William Harcourt otherwise Harrison John Gaven and Anthony Turner by his own proper Act and Consent and of his most wicked Mind falsly voluntarily and corruptly in manner and form aforesaid did commit voluntary and corrupt Perjury to the great Displeasure of Almighty God in manifest contempt of the Laws of this Kingdom of England to the evil and pernicious Example of all others in the like Case offending and against the Peace of our Sovereign Lord the King his Crown and Dignity Upon this Indictment he has been Arraigned and thereunto hath pleaded Not Guilty And for his Tryal hath put himself upon the Country and his Majesty's Attorney-General likewise which Country you are Your Charge is To enquire whether the Defendant Titus Oats be Guilty of the Perjury he stands Indicted or Not Guilty If you find him Guilty you are to say so If you find him Not Guilty you are to say so and no more And hear your Evidence Lord Ch. Just Look ye Mr. Attorney my Lord Chief Justice Jones has sent to know whether you have any thing to do with him to day here Mr. Att. Gen. Not at all that I know of Lord Ch. Just Mr. Oats Do you intend to make use of my Lord Chief Justice Jones or any of the Judges of the common-Common-Pleas as Witnesses Oats Yesterday my Lord I did call for them to have made use of them as Witnesses Lord Ch. Just But have you any thing to say to them to day Oats I cannot tell as yet Lord Ch. Just Then my Lord Chief Justice Jones must be told That he does not know whether he shall or not Go on Sir Samuel Astry Then Proclamation for Information and Evidence was made in usual manner Mr. Phipps May it please your Lordship and you Gentlemen of the Jury This is an Indictment against Titus Oats Clerk for Perjury And the Indictment sets forth That William Ireland Thomas Pickering and John Grove in the 30th Year of the late King were Indicted of High Treason and Tryed at the Old-Bayly and at that Tryal the Defendant Titus Oats was produc'd a Witness for the King and being sworn to tell the Truth the whole Truth and nothing but the Truth did falsly voluntarily and corruptly depose and swear and give in Evidence to the Jury that did try that Cause That the said William Ireland was in Town within the Cities of London and Westminster or the Places adjacent meaning upon the First or Second day of September in the Year 1678. Whereas in truth the said William Ireland was not in Town nor within the Cities of London or Westminster or the Places adjacent upon the First or Second day of September in the Year 1678. And so the said Titus Oats hath committed wilful and corrupt Perjury And the Indictment further sets forth That upon the 13th day of June in the 31st Year of the late King Thomas White otherwise Whitebread John Fenwick William Harcourt otherwise Harrison John Gaven and Anthony Turner were Indicted and Tryed at the Old-Bayly for Treason and at that Tryal the said Titus Oats was a Witness produc'd on the Part of the King And being sworn to testify the Truth the whole Truth and nothing but the Truth by his own Act and Consent of his own most wicked Mind falsly voluntarily and corruptly did depose and swear and give in Evidence to the Jury That William Ireland one William Ireland before that time Convicted and Executed for High Treason meaning did take his Leave of him the said Titus Oats at his the said William Ireland's Chamber then being in Russel-Street between the 8th and 12th Day of August in the Year of our Lord 1678. Whereas in truth the said William Ireland did not take his Leave of him the said Titus Oats or of any other Persons whatsoever at his the said William Ireland's Chamber then being in Russel-Street aforesaid between the said 8th and 12th Day of August in the Year of our Lord 1678. And so the said Titus Oats did then and there commit wilful and corrupt Perjury And this is laid to be to the great Displeasure of Almighty God in contempt of the Laws of this Land to the evil and pernicious Example of all others in the like Case offending and against the King's Peace Crown and Dignity To this he has pleaded Not Guilty If we prove it we do not question but you will find him Guilty Mr. Att. Gen. May it please your Lordship and you Gentlemen of the Jury Mr. Oats stands Indicted for having perjur'd himself The Instances Gentlemen that we charge him with are these First
L. C. Justice He tells you he went to fetch over two young men that were Students there Oates Pray my Lord I desire to know what Religion he is of L. C. Justice What Religion are you of Mr. Stamford I am a Roman Catholick Oates I desire to know what his Profession Mr. Stamford I am a younger Brother of a good and loyal Family as any of the County of Stafford and that suffered as much as any for the late King Oates I believe if it were looked into he is somewhat else besides a younger Brother Mr. Att. Gen. Yes he says he is of a Loyal Family L. C. Justice I am sure there is such a Family in that County that were great sufferers for King Charles the First and the late King and were very instrumental in Services for the late King at his escape from Worcester But whether he be of that Family or no I cannot tell Mr. Stamford The Doctor thinks I am a Jesuite but I 'll assure him I have Wife and Children Mr. Att. Gen. Mr. Oates was about to have made him a Priest but it seems he hath a Wife and Children and so it is out of danger Mr. Soll. Gen. Pray swear Mrs. Katherine Fowler which was done Mr. Att. Gen. Did you see Mr. Ireland Mrs. Fowler at Wolverhampton in 1678 Mrs. Fowler Yes I did Mr. Att. Gen. When was it Mrs. Fowler I did see him on Saturday the 17th of August at Wolverhampton he came that day to my Mothers House where I was Mr. Att. Gen. How long did he stay there Mrs. Fowler Till the 27th which was Munday was Sevennight after I was in his Company every day in that time unless it were Friday which day they say he went to Litchfield to the Fair. L. C. Justice Is Mrs. Harwell your Mother Mrs. Fowler Yes my Lord she is and I lived at that time with my Mother L. C. Justice How do you remember this have you any Tokens that you can give us why you remember it was then Mrs. Fowler My Lord I recollected my self after Mr. Ireland's Tryal in which Mr. Oates Swore that he was hear in Town between the 8th and 12th of August that that was the very Month that Mr. Ireland was in Wolverhampton and thereupon I concluded that Mr. Oates had not Sworn true by that Recollection when it was fresh in my memory being within half a year after Oates Madam are you Mrs. Harwells Daughter Mrs. Fowler Yes I am so Sir Oates Did you not know one Mr Jennison Mrs. Fowler Which Jennison Oates Mr. Robert Jennison Mrs. Fowler Yes I do know him Oates Are you not a kin to him Mr. Fowler Yes but I am sorry to own I have such a Relation Mr. Att. Gen. Swear Mr. Gifford Which was done Mr. Soll. Gen. Did you see Mr. Ireland in Stafford-shire and when I pray you Mr. Gifford I saw him there at Wolverhampton the 17th of August 1678 and he continued there till the 26th I saw him there every day Oates Pray my Lord be pleased to ask this Gentleman whether he were at the Tryal of Ireland Mr. Gifford No I was not in Court nor examined as a Witness Oates Were you at the Tryal of the five Jesuites Sir Mr. Gifford I was there but was not examined L. C. Justice Was it every day say you that you saw him at Wolverhampton Mr. Gifford Every day L. C. Justice They say he was one day out of Town at Litchfield Mr. Gifford He was out of Town that day but I saw him Mr. Att. Gen. Swear Mrs. Elizabeth Gifford which was done Mr. Soll. Gen. You hear the Question did you see Mr. Ireland in Stafford-shire in 78. and when Mrs. E. Gifford Mr. Ireland came to Wolverhampton the 17th of August and continued there till the 26th Mr. Att. Gen. How do you remember it Mrs. Gifford By a Wake that was just hard by that was at that time and he came to my Uncles House upon the Sunday following the Assumption of our Lady Mr. Att. Gen. Did you see him every day till the 26th Mrs. Gifford I remember I did see him every day but two days that I was abroad at the Wake Oates My Lord I desire to know whether She was examined at any of the former Tryals Mrs. Gifford Yes at the five Jesuites Tryal I was Oates Were you not at Ireland's Tryal Mrs. Gifford No I was not Oates There was one Gifford examined there Mr. Att. Gen. Swear Mrs. Elizabeth Keeling which was done Mr. Soll. Gen. Did you see Mr. Ireland at Wolverhampton and when Keeling Yes my Lord I did see Mr. Ireland at Wolverhampton Mr. Soll. Gen. Pray tell when it was Keeling It was the 17th of August he came to my Mistresses House Mr. Soll. Gen. What August Keeling August before the Plot. L. C. Justice Who was your Mistress Keeling Mrs. Harewell my Lord. Mr. Soll. Gen. How long did he continue there Keeling He came on the Saturday and I saw him there till the Monday When I was sent for to my Mothers Burying I left him and Madam Dormer at Dinner and came back on the Thursday And in his Chamber I heard him discourse but I did not see him Upon the Friday he went abroad and returned again that Night Upon the Saturday I faw him and he continued there till Monday Morning and then he went away and returned on Wednesday the 4th of September and stayed till Saturday the 7th and then went away from VVolverhampton Oates I desire to know what Religion this Woman is of Keeling I am a Roman Catholick God be thanked Mr. Att. Gen. Mrs. Keeling When did Mr. Ireland return again do you say after he went first to Wolverhampton Keeling It was the Wednesday seven night after Sir Mr. Att. Gen. That was the 4th of September L. C. Justice How long stayed he there then Keeling Till Saturday in the Forenoon Mr. Att. Gen. Whither did he say he was going then Keeling He said he went to Bellamour to Dinner L. C. Justice Did you see him at any time after Keeling No my Lord I saw him no more Mr. Att. Gen. Then swear Mr. Richardson which was done Mr. Soll. Gen. Pray Sir will you give an Account when you saw Mr. Ireland and where in the year 78. Mr. Richardson My Lord I saw a Gentleman that I was informed was Mr. Ireland at Wolverhampton at a Wake which was Monday the 19th of August Mr. Att. Gen. Where did he lodg Mr. Richardson At Mrs. Harwells Mr. Att. Gen. What are you a Tradesman Mr. Richardson Yes an Apothecary in Wolverhampton L. C. Justice How many days did you see him at Wolverhampton Mr. Richardson I saw him onely one day in the Market-place L. C. Justice You did not know Mr. Ireland before Mr. Richardson But I was inform'd that was he L. C. Justice What became of that Ireland that you were informed was at Wolverhampton then Mr. Richardson I heard presently after that upon Mr. Oates's Plot he