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A20733	A defence of the sermon preached at the consecration of the L. Bishop of Bath and VVelles against a confutation thereof by a namelesse author. Diuided into 4. bookes: the first, prouing chiefly that the lay or onely-gouerning elders haue no warrant either in the Scriptures or other monuments of antiquity. The second, shewing that the primitiue churches indued with power of ecclesiasticall gouernment, were not parishes properly but dioceses, and consequently that the angels of the churches or ancient bishops were not parishionall but diocesan bishops. The third, defending the superioritie of bishops aboue other ministers, and prouing that bishops alwayes had a prioritie not onely in order, but also in degree, and a maioritie of power both for ordination and iurisdiction. The fourth, maintayning that the episcopall function is of apostolicall and diuine institution.	Downame, George, d. 1634.	1611 (1611)	STC 7115; ESTC S110129	556,406	714

haue published in print in most glorious and vaunting manner fiue times that I know of arguing nothing but their gerat malice small iudgement I haue answered before to their shame How oft must they bee told that wee neither make our Bishops supreme gouernours as they doe their parish Bishop nor sole as theirs would bee if they had not the assistance of their Presbyters And who knoweth not that it is the supremacy that maketh a Pope and supremacy they giue to their parish Bishop The other part of the assumption which saith they had not assistants in the parish to restraine them he denieth But before he wil examine my reasō which I broght to proue it his grauity thoght good to cauil with the phrase which saith he soundeth very strangely in our eares Assistants are for his helpe whom they assist not to hinder in the execution of his office so doe the Iustices of peace assist the Iudges at the assises Therefore he should either not haue called them assistants or forborne the terme of restraining Where were so many eares as he speaketh of there were more heads then one that ioined in this work as I vnderstand there did But where so many heads were it is strange there was no more iudgement Are your Presbyteries assisting your parish Bishop to be compared to the Iustices of peace at the assises who haue no right of suffrage or giuing sentence or not rather to the Iudges assisting the chiefe Iudge in euery Court haue not all in your Presbyteries or consistories equal right of suffrage and are not all things carried by plurality of voice Is it not plaine that the Iudges in the Kings bench or common plees who are assistants to the L. chiefe iustices are ioyned to either of them as to he●lpe him in giuing right iudgment so to restraine him that he iudge not alone according to his own pleasure Is it not euident when more are ioyned in one commission that they are ioyned as well to restraine him that is the cheefe that he shall doe nothing alone as to helpe him in the execution thereof What a shallow conceit then was this that assitants might not be said to restraine seeing their office is as to helpe him whom they assist to doe right so to restraine him that hee doe no wrong Let vs now heare what hee can say to the reason which is this If the pastors of euery parish had assistants then Presbyteries either of lay-presbyters or of Ministers But they had not presbyteries to assist them neither of lay-presbyters nor of ministers Therefore they had none assistants The Proposition is grounded vpon this hypothesis which I tooke for granted that all assistants or coassessours ioined with the Bishop or pastor in the gouernment of the Church that are any wheres noted to haue been in the primitiue Church were Presbyters For that which againe he addeth concerning the whole congregation is a very fond conceit Whoeuer heard that the whole congregation assisted the pastor in the gouernement of it selfe assuredlie they which attribute authority to the whole congregation ascribe vnto it the chiefe authority as in popular states which the refuter hath before acknowledged saying that they subiect both the pastors elders to the whole congregation turning the world vpside down and making the flock to rule their pastor And yet how this standeth with their other position that the pastor is the supreme ecclesiasticall officer in euery Church J cannot sell vnlesse they meane the highest vnder the Church it selfe Which if it be so then is not the Church according to their conceit assistant to the Pastor but the Pastor is the Churches deputy and lieuetenant for the gouernement of it selfe in which gouernement of the Church the Presbyters bee his assistants But whatsoeuer might be added to the proposition according to the vnstayed fancies of certaine innouators which I respected not the proposition is necessary according to the practise of the primitiue Church wherof only J sp●ke But he denyeth the assumptiō also saying that they had other Presbyters which were not ministers But I hope he wil vnsay that saying when he shall haue read what before hath beene deliuered concerning their onely-gouerning Elders Besides against their parish-presbyters I alledged the practise of the Churches in Scotland and Geneua For in Scotland they had not a Presbytery or consistory in euery parish but in such circuits as are answerable to our deanries And whereas he saith that neither I nor hee 〈…〉 truely what the practise of Geneua is but by uncertaine reports hee should haue spoken for himselfe For what I report concerning Geneua I haue read as in other Authors so in Beza himselfe shewing that they haue but one Ecclesiasticall presbyterie or consistorie for all the parishes both in the city and territory thereto belonging consisting of eighteene seniors whereof 6. are Ministers constant and 12. chosen euery yeare out of their 3. councils of state viz. 6. out of the councill of 200 4 out of that of 60 and 2. out of the 25. as I haue noted before But where he saith that Geneua may well be taken for one parish seeing it hath no diocesan Bishop it seemeth he doth not greatly care what he saith Belike there is but one parish church and all the rest beeing aboue 20. be chapels of ease and who then is the pastor of the whole Church of Geneua and what be they that are set ouer the Churches if they bee not the pastors of them Againe it is not long since Geneua was vnder a Bishop and then was it a Diocese and is it now come to bee but a parish or shall we not rather say that as the Bishop in his time was Diocesan so the presbyterie now is not a parishionall but a Diocesan presbyterie and that the whole Church of Geneua consisting of many parishes is as well a Diocese now as it was before It remaineth therefore as I said in the sermon that the ministers of seuerall parishes were subiect to the Bishop whose pastoral care extended it selfe to al euen theremotest parishes in his Diocese c. CHAP. VI Titles of honour giuen to BB. Serm. sect 13. pag. 52. Thus haue you heard that the Angels or BB. of the Primitiue Church were for the substance of their calling such as ours be c. to the end of the fourth point HEere I thanke him he compareth me to such as be called Iuglers because as they can perswade men they see what they doe not see so I would perswade my hearers that they heard which they did not heare Whether of vs doth vse more plaine euidence of truth and whether of vs tricks of legerdemaine I appeale to the conscience of the Reader though it bee the refuter himselfe But good sir though it was not in me to perswade euery one that did heare yet me thinks I might without offence say they had heard that which they did heare whether it were