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A88586 The main points of church-government and discipline; plainly and modestly handled by way of question and answer. Very useful to such as either want money to buy, or leasure to read larger tracts. Love, Christopher, 1618-1651. 1649 (1649) Wing L3167; Thomason E1182_11; ESTC R208163 25,577 63

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along with them as John Mark p Act. 13 5 15 37 their fellow laborer q Philem. 24 and did send other Ministers as Tychicus sometimes to one Church as Ephesus r Act. 20 4 Eph. 6 21 22 and sometimes to another as Colloss s Col. 4 7 and did keep other Ministers from their particular charges as Epaphras t Col. 1 7 with 4. 12 and all this was for the service of the universal Church so much was it preferred before the service of their particular Churches In the primitive times before division of titles the Elders were not affixed to particular assemblies but the officers did in common teach and govern sundry congregations and so it may be at this day when it shall be found most for edification and so it is in some Reformed Churches As the Justices of Peace have their commission for the whole County yet by agreement or custom for order-sake they have their several Hundreds or divisions in which they keep their privy and publick Sessions and do ordinarily execute their office and in that respect may be called Justices of such a Division or Circuit And as the Militia Soldiers which watch and guard the City of London are primarily the Soldiers of the whole City and secundarily the Soldiers of such and such a Ward or limits so Ministers which are called watchmen and soldiers v Isa 62. 6 1 Tim. 2 3 are Ministers both of the whole City of God the universal visible Church and also of those particular Churches or Congregations which they especially take charge of and receive maintenance from and as Souldiers though they be the Souldiers of the whole City yet each have and ought in reason to have one particular place assigned to be guarded by him and the unwarrantable absence of him from his guard is censurable so a Minister should have his flock and be resident with it Quest 9. How are men made ordinary Elders Answ They are made Elders by Ordination which is as the Scripture defines it an appointment of men over the businesse w Act. 6 3 the seven Deacons had not been Officers though chosen by the multitude if they had not been by Ordination appointed over the business the multitude choosing them is not said to appoint them over the business but to set them before the Apostles 2. Hence the charge is more express that ordination rather then election should not suddenly and hastily be made x 1 Tim. 5 22 whereas if election had only or chiefly made the Officer then prudence had required that the charge should have been more express against hasty election then hasty ordination 3. Laying on of hands in ordination not lifting up of hands in election which they so much urge is reckoned amongst the principles y Heb. 6 3 4. The description of persons fit for office is much more large in the Epistles to Timothy and Titus which were to ordain then in any or all the Epistles written to the Churches to whom election is conceived to belong z 1 T●● 3 2 c. 12 c. Tit. 1 5 6 7 8 c. now the Apostle which did all things fitly would acquaint those most with the qualifications of officers which had the greatest hand and power in making officers 5. Fasting prayer is to beg direction assistance from God with reference to ordination rather then election a Acts 13 1 2 the Apostles prayed not before the election of the seven Deacons as they would if that had been of the greatestmoment but the Scripture witnesseth that when the election was past they prayed before ordination b Act. 6. 5. 6 6. The Scripture speaks much and plainly for ordination c 1 Tim. 4 14. Tit. 1. 5 Act. 14. 23 Act. 13. 1 2 1 Tim. 5 22 2 Tim. 2 2 but little some say nothing at all and that obscurely for popular election of Elders 7. The peoples election is but preparatory to the making of Elders or a nomination or designation of some persons to that office if being tryed by the Presbytery they be approved as fit God having d 1 Tim. 5 22 given special power and charge to the Presbytery not to ordain rashly d or suddenly 1 Tim. 5. 22 though the people should elect rashly but to reject that rash election as null and void 8. To assert that Ministers are made by ordination doth make the line of ministerial power more straight and regular then otherwise the power of making Ministers was first in Christ and he made Apostles they as his stewards in the absence of the Lord and by his direction and command do appoint other officers Christ is the chief Pastor e 1 Pet. 2 25 the Apostles next f Joh. 21 15 16 17 then Elders g 1 Pet. 5 2 Act. 20 17 28 Christ the Archbishop h 1 Pet. 2 25 Apostles Bishops i Act. 1 2● and Elders k Acts 20 17 18. Tit. 1 7 Christ was sent and the Apostles l Joh. 20 21 and Presbyters m Eph. 4. 8 11 Christ ordaintwelve n Mark 3 14. Ioh. 15 14 and the twelve ordained Elders o Acts 14 23 and to Elders hath God given the power of ordination of other Elders successively Q. 10. To whom say you hath God committed the power of ordination of Elders Ans To Elders p 1 Tim. 4 14. Tit. 1 5. ut supra not to any un-officied man For 1. there is no precept nor warrant for it in all the New Testament that Christ or his Apostles did leave to the body of beleevers Elders the power of ordaining though it had bin much easier to have writ to the Churches that they should ordain their own Elders then to ave traveled themselves q Acts 14 23 or to have sent Timothy or Titus for that purpose r 1 Tim. 5 22. Tit. 1 5 2. Not one instance can be given of any unofficed man ordaining an officer of the New Testament 3. They that do ordain do put some of their work upon the person ordeined but preaching baptizing c. is not the work of any unofficed man 4. He that ordains blesseth him that is ordained and the less is blessed of the greater s Heb. 7 7 5. Ordination is confessed to be an act of authority and an unofficed man have not authority 6. The Church cannot lawfully depute a man to ordain whom God hath not deputed nor can the man or men so deputed lawfully ordain except the Church have a Charter from God to that effect 7. There is not one of a thousand amongst the people that are able in all points to try and judg of the sufficiency of preaching Presbyters as they that ordain are bound by Gods Law to do t Tit. 1 5 6 7 Q. 11. But is not ordination by one or more grave men deputed by the Congregation more lawful and valid then