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A25871	The arraignment, tryal & condemnation of Algernon Sidney, Esq. for high-treason ... before the Right Honourable Sir George Jeffreys ... Lord Chief Justice of England at His Majesties Court of Kingsbench at Westminster on the 7th, 21th and 27th of November, 1683	Sidney, Algernon, 1622-1683, defendant.; Jeffreys, George Jeffreys, Baron, 1644 or 5-1689.; England and Wales. Court of King's Bench.	1684 (1684)	Wing A3754; ESTC R23343	69,533	67

to admit of any Discourses till you Answer the Question Whether you be Guilty or not Guilty Mr. Att. Gen. If he will Demurr my Lord We will give him leave Col. Sidney I presume your Lordship will direct me for I am an ignorant Man in matters of this kind I may easily be surprised in it I never was at a Tryal in my life of any Body and never read a Law-Book L. C. Iust. Because no Prisoner under your Circumstances is to have Counsel but in special Cases to be assigned in matters of Law the Court is bound by their Oaths and Duty of their Places that they shall not see any wrong done to you But the business we are to tell you now is You are to plead Guilty or not Guilty or Demur which is a Confession in point of Law Col. Sidney Under favour my Lord There may be Indictments that are erroneous and if they are erroneous and vitious they are null and ought not to be answered to Mr. Iust. Wythins If you please to demur to it you shall have liberty to make any Exceptions Col. Sidney I don't demur 't is only Exceptions I think in matters of Life a Man may give in his Exceptions to the Bill and plead not Guilty afterwards I am sure in Sir Henry Vane's Case the Court said it and offered him to do it That which under favor I hope to do L. C. Iustice. You must Plead or Demurr Col. Sidney My Lord If I put in Exceptions to the Bill I don't plead till those Exceptions are over-ruled This was in the case of Sir Henry Vane L. C. Iustice. Sir I must tell you you must either Plead or Demurr Col. Sidney My Lord There are in this Indictment some Treasons or reputed Treasons that may come within the Statute of the 13th of this King which is limited by time the Prosecution must be in Six Months and the Indictment within Three Now my Lord if that this Business that is mentioned be above six Months before my Commitment or above three before the Indictment I think under favor I ought not to answer to these Matters L. C. Iustice. You are mistaken in the Law That will be saved when the Fact comes to appear If they alledge the thing to be at a time which according to that allegation would maintain the Indictment if upon the Tryal it appear otherwise the Court is bound to take notice of it when you come to your Tryal but we are not bound to examine that before you have pleaded Col. Sidney My Lord Every body will acknowledg that there have been or may be vitious Indictments Now if I plead to an erroneous Indictment and am Acquitted I may be Indicted again Bills of Attainder have been upon Errors in Original Indictments as that of the Duke of Somerset Now if there be here several things distinct in Nature distinguished by Law that are put together 't is impossible to make a positive Answer to any one If any one should tell me that I by my self or by others by Sword or by Pistol conspired to kill the King I can say I did it or I did it not If any one say I have levyed War and by several Acts undertake to prove I have done it I can say I have done it or I have not But here I don't find any thing specifyed or can tell upon what Statute I am Indicted I pray I may see the Record L. C. Iustice. That we can't do You shall hear it read again if you will If you think it to be a void Indictment Demur to it if you will Col. Sidney My Lord I desire you to accept of this shewing a Parchment L. C. Iustice. What is it Put in what Plea you shall be advised but if you put in a special Plea and Mr. Attorney demurrs you may have Judgment of Death and by that you wave the Fact Col. Sidney I can't make any Objection to the Bill after I have pleaded Not Guilty for I accept the Bill thereby to be good L. C. Iustice. If you can assign any Matter of Law do But otherwise what a kind of thing would it be All Criminals would say in all Cases I doubt whether the Bill be Good or Bad. And after I have thus considered of it I will Plead You are mis-informed and this the Court tells you as a Duty incumbent on them Mr. Iust. Wythins If you Demur and shew what your Causes are We will assign you Counsel Col. Sidney I desire you would not try me and make me to ●un on dark and slippery Places I don't see my way L. C. Iustice. Don't apprehend your self to be so as if the Court would run you on any inconvenience But they are bound to see the Methods of Justice preserved they are those that you and all the King's Subjects are bound to conform to If any one of us were in the same Condition we must observe the same Methods of Law Clerk of the Crown Art thou Guilty or not Guilty Col. Sidney Then pray my Lord Will you tell me this Is it true That a Man how vitious so ever an Indictment is must Answer or Demurr to it L. C. Iust. He must either Answer or Demurr Col. Sidney Are there no Exceptions to be admitted L. C. Iustice. None And if you don't do the one or the other Judgment passes as if you had pleaded Col. Sidney This is a Plea Mr. Iust. Wythins Will you stand by it Consider your self and your Life If you put in that Plea and Mr. Attorney Demurrs if your Plea be not good your Life is gone Col. Sidney Pray my Lord Give me a day to consider of it Lord Chief Iustice. No We must not introduce new Methods or Forms for any body The same Case that is with you may be with other people Col. Sidney My Lord I do not pretend to any thing but what is Law and due to every Man upon English Ground I would be very sorry to do that which may be hurtful L. C. Iustice. You have the rule of the Court You must do one or the other Call him to it Col. Sidney I desire this may be read shewing the same Parchment L. C. Iustice. It shall not be read unless you put it in as a Plea Mr. Att. General I must do my duty Mr. Williams exceeds his Liberty he informs the Prisoner several things Mr. Williams I only said if it was a Plea put it in Mr. Attorney can hear all I say Whereupon Mr. Williams was reproved by the Lord Chief Justice Col. Sidney I only give it as exceptions to the Bill Clerk of the Crown Art thou Guilty or not Guilty Col. Sidney If any one should ask me any particular thing I could tell how to answer L. C. Iustice. He askes you a particular thing 'T is the duty of the Court to pronounce Judgment if you do not plead Col. Sidney Why then if you drive me upon it I must plead Lord Chief Iustice. I am sure

Howard let him if he please reconcile what he hath said now with what he said at my Lord Russel's Trial. There he said he said all he could and now he has got I do not know how many things that were never spoken of there I appeal to the Court whether he did then speak one word of that that he now says of Mr. Hambden He sets forth his Evidence very Rhetorically but it does not become a Witness for he is only to tell what is done and said but he does not tell what was done and said He says they took upon them to consider but does not say what one man said or what one man resolved much less what I did My Lord If these things are not to be distinguished but shall be jumbled all up together I confess I do not know what to say L. C. J. Take what liberty you please If you will make no Defence then we will direct the Jury presently We will direct them in the Law and recollect matter of Fact as well as we can Col. Sidney Why then my Lord I desire the Law may be reserved to me I desire I may have Council to that point of there being but one Witness L. C. J. That is point of Fact If you can give any testimony to disparage the Witness do it Col. Sidney I have a great deal to that L. C. J. Go on to it then Col. Sidney Then my Lord was there a War Levyed Or was it prevented Why then if it be prevented 't is not Levyed if it be not Levyed 't is not within the Statute so this is nothing to me L. C. J. The Court will have patience to hear you but at the same time I think 't is my duty to advertise you That this is but mispending of your time If you can Answer the Fact or if you have any mind to put any disparagement upon the Witnesses that they are not Persons to be believed do it but do not ask us Questions this way or t'other Col. Sidney I have this to say concerning my Lord Howard He hath accused himself of divers Treasons and I do not hear that he has his Pardon of any He is under the terror of those Treasons and the punishment for them He hath shewn himself to be under that terror He hath said That he could not get his Pardon until he had done some other jobbs till he was past this drudgery of swearing That is my Lord that he having incurred the penalty of High-Treason he would get his own indempnity by destroying others This by the Law of God and Man I think destroys a mans Testimony Besides my Lord he is my Debter he owes me a considerable summ of Money I lent him in time of his great necessity he made some Covenants with me for the payment of that Money which he hath broken and when his Mortgage was forfeited and I should take the advantage the Law gives me he finds out a way to have me laid up in the Tower He is a very subtle man At my Lord Russel's Tryal he carryed his Knife he said between the Paring and the Apple and so this is a point of great nicety and cunning at one time to get his own Pardon and at the same time to save his Money Another thing my Lord is when I was Prisoner he comes to my House and speaks with my Servant and says how sorry he was that I should be brought in danger upon this account of the Plot and there he did in the presence of God with Hands and Eyes lifted up to Heaven swear he did not believe any Plot and that it was but a Sham and that he was confident if I had known any thing I would have told it him He hath said somewhat of this before I have several Witnesses to prove both He was desirous to go further and he would not only pay my debt by his Testimony against me but he would have got my Plate and other Goods in my hands into his hands and he desired my Men as a place of trust to put them into his hands And the next news was that there was a Warrant against my Lord Russel and me But then my Lord he made other affirmations in the same presence of God that I was innocent in his opinion and he was confident of it for if he had known any thing of it he would have told it Now I know in my Lord Russel's Case there was Dr. Burnet said something like it And when he came to answer it he said he was to face it out and make the best of it he could Now he did face it out bravely against God but he was very timerous of Man So that my Lord he does say at the same time at my Lord Russel's Tryal upon his Oath That he did believe that the Religious obligation of an Oath did not consist in the formality of applying it to the place c. but in calling God to witness So that when he did call God to witness before Doctor Burnet and my Servant and others and this is not consistent with the Oath he has taken here as the Gentleman said at my Lord Russel's Tryal unless he has one Soul in Court and had another at my house these things are inconsistent and cannot be true and if he swear both under the Religion of an Oath he swears himself perjured Then my Lord he talks of Aaron Smith What have I to do with Aaron Smith He sayes I sent him my Lord there is no body else speaks a word of it Then by a strange kind of construction and imagination they will have it that some Papers here which are said to be found in my Study have relation to this Plot as they call it I know of none nor am in none Now my Lord I am not to give an account of these Papers I do not think they are before you for there is nothing but the similitude of Hands offered for proof There is the like Case of my Lady Carr some few years agoe She was indicted of Perjury and as 〈◊〉 against her some Letters of hers were produced that were contrary to what she swore in Chancery and her band was proved that is to say it was like it but my Lord Chief Justice Ke●ing directs the Jury that though in Civil Causes it is a proof yet it is the smallest and least of proofs but in Criminal cases it was none at all So that my Lord Howard's testimony is single and what he talks of those two businesses that he calls a Consult and Aaron Smith is destroyed by want of proof What could six men do Can my Lord Howard raise five men by his credit by his purse Let him say as much for me with all my heart for my part I do not know where to raise five men That such men as we are that have no followers should undertake so vast a design is very unlikely And this great design that was

not have his Pardon but he must first do this drudgery of swearing I need not say that his Son should say That he was sorry his Father could not get his Pardon unless he did swear against some others Col. Sidney Call Mr. Blake who appeared My Lord I desire he may be asked whether my Lord Howard did not tell him that he could not get his Pardon yet and he could ascribe it to nothing but that the drudgery of swearing must be over first Then my Lord Chief Iustice asked the Question Mr. Blake My Lord I am very sorry I should be called to give a publick account of a private Conversation how it comes about I don't know My Lord sent for me about six Weeks ago to come and see him I went and we talked of News I told him I heard no body had their Pardon but he that first discovered the Plot he told me no but he had his Warrant for it And says he I have their Word and Honour for it but says he I will do nothing in it till I have further order and says he I hear nothing of it and I can ascribe it to no other reason but I must not have my pardon till the drudgery of swearing is over These words my Lord said I believe my Lord won't deny it Then Mr. Sidney called Mr. Hunt and Burroughs but they did not appear Col Sidney 'T is a hard case they don't appear One of them was to prove that my Lord Howard said he could not have his Pardon till he had done some other Jobs L. C. Iust. I can't help it If you had come for assistance from the Court I would willingly have done what I could Then Col. Sidney mentioned the Duke of Buckingham but he was informed he was not subpaena'd Col. Sidney Call Grace Tracy and Elizabeth Penwick who appeared I ask you only what my Lord Howard said to you at my House concerning the Plot and my being in it Tracy Sir he said that he knew nothing of a Plot he protested and he was sure Col. Sidney knew nothing of it And he said If you knew any thing of it he mustneeds know of it for he knew as much of your concerns as any one in the World Col. Sidney Did he take God to Witness upon it Tracy yes Col. Sidney Did he desire my Plate at my House Tracy I can't tell that he said the Goods might be sent to his House Col. Sidney Penwick What did my Lord Howard say in your hearing concerning the pretended Plot or my Plate carrying away Penwick When he came he asked for your Honour and they said your Honour was taken away by a man to the Tower for the Plot and then he took God to Witness he knew nothing of it and believed your Honour did not neither He said he was in the Tower two years ago and your Honour he believed saved his Life Col. Sidney Did he desire the Plate Penwick Yes And said it should be sent to his House to be secured He said it was only Malice Mr. Wharton stood up Mr. Wharton 'T is only this I have to say That if your Lordship pleases to shew me any of these sheets of Paper I will undertake to imitate them in a little time that you shan't know which is which 'T is the easiest hand that ever I saw in my life Mr. Att. Gen. You did not write these Mr. Wharton Mr. Wharton No but I will do this in a very little time if you please L. C. Iust. Have you any more Witnesses Col. Sidney No my Lord. L. C. Iust. Then apply your self to the Jury Col. Sidney Then this is that I have to say Here is a huge Complication of Crimes laid to my Charge I did not know at first under what Statute they were now I find 't is the Statute of 25 of Ed. 3. This Statute hath two Branches one relating to War the other to the Person of the King That relating to the Person of the King makes the Conspiring Imagining and Compassing his Death criminal That concerning War is not unless it be Levyed Now my Lord I cannot imagine to which of these they refer my Crime and I did desire your Lordship to explain it For to say that a Man did meet to Conspire the King's Death and he that gives you the account of the business does not speak one word of it seems extravagant for Conspiracies have ever their Denomination from that point to which they tend as a Conspiracy to make false Coin infers Instruments and the like A Conspiracy to take away a Woman to kill or rob are all directed to that end So Conspiring to kill the King must immediately aim at killing the King The King hath two Capacities Natural and Politick that which is the Politick can't be within the Statute in that sense he never dies and 't is absur'd to say it should be a fault to kill the King that can't die So then it must be the natural sense it must be understood in which must be done by Sword by Pistol or any other way Now if there be not one word of this then that is utterly at an end though the Witness had been good The next point is concerning Levying of War Levying of War is made Treason there so it be proved by Overt Act but an Overt Act of that never was or can be pretended here If the War be not Levyed 't is not within the Act for Conspiring to Levy War is not in the Act. My Lord There is no Man that thinks that I would kill the King that knows me I am not a Man to have such a design perhaps I may say I have saved his Life once So that it must be by Implication that is It is first imagined that I intended to raise a War and then 't is imagined that War should tend to the Destruction of the King Now I know that may follow but that is not Natural or necessary and being not Natural or necessary it can't be so understood by the Law That it is not it plain for many Wars have been made and the Death of the King has not followed David made War upon Saul yet no body will say he sought his Death he had him under his power and did not kill him David made War upon Ishbosheth yet did not design his Death and so in England and France Kings have been taken Prisoners but they did not kill them King Stephen was taken Prisoner but they did not kill him So that 't is two distinct things to make War and to endeavour to kill the King Now as there is no manner of pretence that I should endeavour to kill the King directly so it can't be by inference because 't is Treason under another Species I confess I am not fit to argue these points I think I ought to have Counsel but if you won't allow it me I can't help it but these things are impossible to be jumbled up together Now

this manner if he had not apprehensions of Guilt within himself This is the Testimony offered against my Lord Howard in disparagement of his Evidence Ay but further it s objected he is in expectation of a Pardon And he did say he thought he should not have the Kings Pardon till such time as the drudgery of Swearing was over Why Gentlemen I take notice before this Discourse happened he Swore the same thing at my Lord Russel's Tryal And I must tell you though it is the Duty of every Man to discover all Treasons yet I tell you for a Man to come and Swear himself over and over Guilty in the face of a Court of Justice may seem irksome and provoke a Man to give it such an Epithet 'T is therefore for his Credit that he is an unwilling Witness But Gentlemen consider if these things should have been allowed to take away the Credibility of a Witness what would have become of the Testimonies that have been given of late days What would become of the Evidence of all those that have been so profligate in their Lives Would you have the Kings Council to call none but men that were not concerned in this Plot to prove that they were Plotting Ay but Gentlemen it is further objected This Hand looks like an old Hand and it may not be the Prisoners Hand but be Counterfeited and for that there is a Gentleman who tells you what a dexterous Man he is He says he believes he could Counterfeit any Hand in half an hour 't is an ugly temptation but I hope he hath more Honour than to make use of that Art he so much glories in But what time could there be for the Counterfeiting of this Book Can you imagine that Sir Philip Lloyd through the Bag Sealed up did it Or who else can you imagine should or does the Prisoner pretend did write this Book So that as on one side God forbid but we should be careful of Mens Lives so on the other side God forbid that Flourishes and Varnish should come to indanger the Life of the King and the Destruction of the Government But Gentlemen We are not to anticipate you in point of Fact I have according to my Memory recapitulated the matters given in Evidence It remains purely in you now whether you do believe upon the whole matter that the Prisoner is Guilty of the High-Treason whereof he is Indicted Mr. Iust. Withins Gentlemen 'T is fit you should have our Opinions in all the points of Law we concur with my Lord Chief Justice Says Colonel Sidney here is a mighty Conspiracy but there is nothing comes of it who must we thank for that None but the Almighty Providence One of themselves was troubled in Conscience and comes and discovers it had not Keeling discovered it God knows whether we might have been alive at this day Then the Jury withdrew and in about half an hours time returned and brought the Prisoner in Guilty And the Lievtenant of the Tower took away his Prisoner Munday 26. Nov. 1683. Algernoon Sidney Esquire was brought up to the Bar of the Court of Kings bench to receive his Sentence L. Ch. Iust. Mr Attorney will you move any thing Mr. Att. Gen. My Lord the Prisoner at the Bar is convicted of High Treason I demand Judgment against him Cl. of Crown Algernoon Sidney Hold up thy hand which he did Thou hast been indicted of High Treason and thereupon arraigned and thereunto pleaded not Guilty and for thy Tryal put thy self upon God and the Country which Country has found thee Guilty What can'st thou say for thy self Why Judgment of death should not be given against thee and execution awarded according to Law Col. Sidney My Lord I humbly conceive I have had no Tryal I was to be tryed by my Country I do not find my Country in the Jury that did try me There were some of them that were not Freeholders I think my Lord There is neither Law nor President of any man that has been tryed by a Jury upon an Indictment lay'd in a County that were not Freeholders So I do humbly conceive That I have had no Tryal at all and if I have had no Tryal there can be no Judgment L. Ch. Just. Mr. Sidney you had the Opinion of the Court in that matter before We were unanimous in it for it was the Opinion of all the Judges of England in the Case next proceeding yours tho' that was a Case relating to Corporations but they were of Opinion that by the Statute of Queen Mary the Tryal of Treason was put as it was at Common Law and that there was no such Challenge of Common Law Col. Sidney Under favour my Lord I presume in such a Case as this of Life and for what I know concernes every man in England you will give me a day and Counsel to argue it L. Ch. Iust. T is not in the Power of the Court to do it Col. Sidney My Lord I desire the Indictment against me may be read L. Ch. Iust. To what purpose Col. Sidney I have somewhat to say to it L. Ch. Iust. Well read the Indictment Then the Clerk of the Crown read the Indictment Col. Sidney Pray Sir will you give me leave to see it if it please you L. Ch. Iust. No that we cannot do Col. Sidney My Lord there is one thing then that makes this absolutely voyd It deprives the King of his Title which is Treason by Law Defensor fidei There is no such thing there if I heard it Right L. Ch. Iust. In that you would deprive the King of his Life that is in very full I think Col. Sidney If no body would deprive the King no more then I he would be in no danger Under favour these are things not to be over-ruled in point of Life so easily L. Ch. Iust. Mr. Sidney We very well understand our duty we don't need to be told by you what our Duty is we tell you nothing but what is Law and if you make Objections that are immaterial we must overrule them Don't think that we overrule in your Case that we would not overrule in all mens Cases in your Condition The Treason is sufficiently lay'd Col. Sidney My Lord I conceive this too that those words that are said to be written in the Paper that there is nothing of Treason in them Besides that there was nothing at all proved of them only by similitude of hands which upon the Case I alledged to your Lordship was not to be admitted in a Criminal Case Now 't is easy to call a thing proditorie but yet let the nature of the thing be examined I put my self upon it that there is no Treason in it L. Ch. Iust. There is not a Line in the Book scarce but what is Treason Mr Just. Withins I believe you don 't believe it Treason L. Ch. Iust. That is the worst part of your Case When men are riveted in Opinion that Kings