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A69830 A vindication of the Parliament of England, in answer to a book written by William Molyneux of Dublin, Esq., intituled, The case of Irelands being bound by acts of Parliament in England, stated by John Cary ... Cary, John, d. 1720? 1698 (1698) Wing C734; ESTC R22976 59,166 136

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the_o name_n whereby_o they_o be_v common_o call_v there_o the_o conclusion_n you_o draw_v from_o hence_o pag._n 133._o seem_v to_o i_o very_o strange_a viz._n hence_o it_o be_v manifest_a that_o the_o jurisdiction_n of_o the_o king_n bench_n in_o england_n over_o a_o judgement_n in_o the_o king_n bench_n of_o ireland_n do_v not_o proceed_v from_o any_o subordination_n of_o one_o kingdom_n to_o the_o other_o pray_v from_o whence_o be_v this_o make_v manifest_a to_o any_o body_n else_o beside_o yourself_o do_v it_o appear_v that_o because_o writ_n of_o error_n have_v be_v bring_v from_o the_o king_n bench_n in_o england_n on_o judgement_n give_v in_o the_o king_n bench_n in_o ireland_n that_o therefore_o writ_n of_o error_n do_v not_o lie_v from_o the_o one_o bench_n to_o the_o other_o and_o if_o they_o do_v do_v not_o this_o show_v a_o subordination_n of_o the_o one_o court_n to_o the_o other_o and_o consequent_o of_o the_o one_o kingdom_n to_o the_o other_o but_o you_o say_v this_o 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